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#1 Posted by biggest_loser (24258 posts) -

Here's a funny/sad article about the racist remarks comic book nerds made when they got upset about Michael B. Jordon, who is black, playing Johnny Storm in the upcoming Fantastic Four reboot. 

Source: http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/the-5-most-insulting-defenses-nerd-racism/

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#2 Posted by Saturos3091 (14938 posts) -

Hunger Games casts white girl in 'dark skinned' female role: Outrage

Fantastic Four casts black man in white male role: People defend casting decision

All I got out of this. 


EDIT: Nevermind. I hadn't read Hunger Games so I didn't know the character's name. :P 

DOUBLE EDIT: Oh wait she actually was supposed to be black and they ended up casting Jennifer Lawrence.  Fix'd

It doesn't really matter, but it is a double standard. 

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#3 Posted by chessmaster1989 (30204 posts) -
If it doesn't effect the story or characters, then who cares.
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#4 Posted by GhettoBlastin92 (1231 posts) -
Who cares.
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#5 Posted by Lord_Daemon (24514 posts) -

As a long time Fantastic Four fan I would personally find it a little odd not to see Johnny Storm as a blonde-haired punk, but generally I don't have a problem as long as they make his sister black as well and don't do a silly adoption thing so that he becomes the token black of the film...which kinda looks like where they might be headed. But right now they're still in the casting phase so I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. 

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#6 Posted by GummiRaccoon (13793 posts) -

I thought Michael Clark Duncan as kingpin was the only good thing about daredevil which was a giant piece of shit otherwise.  Was there this outrage over him playing kingpin?  ( I legitimately do not remember, I think that was before all the racists figured out how to get the internet though).

 

EDIT: Also I think it is a little bit racist that they picked out of all of them, for johnny storm to be the black guy, why not Reed Richards?

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#7 Posted by MrGeezer (59112 posts) -
Stupid article. People b*tch about any kind of changes.
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#8 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (18526 posts) -

This was actually a cracked article I really didn't care for.

People have a right to be mad if they are going to take these well-established characters and make a drastic change like that. I really think it is just silly to go around making unecessary changes like that.

Of course any racist comments that come along with such outrage still aren't excusable...

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#9 Posted by MrGeezer (59112 posts) -
Of course any racist comments that come along with such outrage still aren't excusable...LostProphetFLCL
For an article that is so much about people's comments, you'd think they'd make the comments large enough to actually read.
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#10 Posted by laurson1 (25 posts) -
I would've been happier with it because I could applaud their ambition.
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#11 Posted by Angie7F (1175 posts) -

I also would appluad their ambition.

But I do understand that it is disappointing to see a character be represented by someone totally different from what they were in the original.

I would hate to see a white american shinji in evangelion though I am not really racist.

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#12 Posted by chaoscougar1 (37597 posts) -

This was actually a cracked article I really didn't care for.

People have a right to be mad if they are going to take these well-established characters and make a drastic change like that. I really think it is just silly to go around making unecessary changes like that.

Of course any racist comments that come along with such outrage still aren't excusable...

LostProphetFLCL
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#13 Posted by The_Gaming_Baby (6402 posts) -
If it doesn't effect the story or characters, then who cares.chessmaster1989
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#14 Posted by PcGamingRig (7383 posts) -

To be fair the character has always been white.

If Jack Bauer in the next season of 24 was black without any explanation, that would be a bit weird. and it would be the same with any black character suddenly becoming white.

But they have said it is a reboot which means they can pretty much change what they like so they will just have to accept it.

People who are fans of comics and superheroes tend to be obsessive with every little detail about a character and its backstory though so that is why they are reacting that way. I wouldn't say they are being racist.

I think you would find that type of fan would be upset over any major changes in the characters stories and origins.

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#15 Posted by FrostyPhantasm (8521 posts) -
I dunno.. It is a little stupid though, now Susan has to be black/half-black as well, seems a little forced.
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#16 Posted by deactivated-594be627b82ba (8405 posts) -

I don't know why people care so much, fictional characters are just that fictional. Characters can be re-imagined, re-packaged in any way the author see fit. This isn't about a documentary or a movie based on someone's life. Fans need to understand that the only thing they are entitle to is to decide if they want to watch the movie or not. 

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#17 Posted by thebest31406 (3775 posts) -
Does that mean that Sue will be Black as well? Interesting.
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#18 Posted by Chicken453 (2038 posts) -
Oh it's Marvel and not about Xmen, I do not give a flying fack.
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#19 Posted by PcGamingRig (7383 posts) -

I don't know why people care so much, fictional characters are just that fictional. Characters can be re-imagined, re-packaged in any way the author see fit. This isn't about a documentary or a movie based on someone's life. Fans need to understand that the only thing they are entitle to is to decide if they want to watch the movie or not. 

da_illest101

True.

It is probably because they are hanging onto the old comic stories and such, which have connections and explanations with a lot of things in the characters history.

Whereas this movie, other than a few subtle hints about a characters past, will probably just be about the story at hand in the present and the Fantastic Four name. Which is probably the reason, there is just no explanation for the change and that annoys them.

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#20 Posted by mrbojangles25 (39123 posts) -

IF you want to call it "The Fantastic Four", then make it as true to lore as possible

If you want to do it your own way, then call it something else and say "based on the comic book The Fantastic Four"

I think directors and movie studios have a duty to, when directly translating from the written form to the audio and visual form, stay as true as can be.

Making this seem like an issue of race is simply idiotic.  Get a grip, college know-it-all hippie.

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#21 Posted by mrbojangles25 (39123 posts) -

Does that mean that Sue will be Black as well? Interesting.thebest31406

the author of the article address that, by theorizing that they could easily be a mixed-race family or adopted.

While possible, it seems like a bit of a stretch.  And when your film already involves superpowers and villains and lots of eyecandy and stuff, you don't need to toss in some uncommon family dynamics as well,

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#22 Posted by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -

Hunger Games casts white girl in 'dark skinned' female role: Outrage

Saturos3091

It was the other way around. It was people being surprised at them casting dark-skinned actors... for characters described in the book as being "olive-skinned."

Wait, what?

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#23 Posted by mrbojangles25 (39123 posts) -

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

Hunger Games casts white girl in 'dark skinned' female role: Outrage

PannicAtack

It was the other way around. It was people being surprised at them casting dark-skinned actors... for characters described in the book as being "olive-skinned."

Wait, what?

"olive-skinned" usually refers to very tan Mediterraneans, like Greeks or Sicilians.  iirc the olive skinned folks were the agriculture district, so they were outside a lot, and thus very tan.

but uhhhh, yeah...they were from the ag district.  WHich I guess was from the area know as Atlanta, Georgia? Or washington, DC? lol

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#24 Posted by comp_atkins (34288 posts) -
i can't care about what some comic book nerds say on the internet.
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#25 Posted by Zaibach (13466 posts) -

 

comic book nerds are the fvcking worst.

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#26 Posted by TheFallenDemon (13933 posts) -
i think the more appropriate character for the black guy to play is the thing
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#27 Posted by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

Hunger Games casts white girl in 'dark skinned' female role: Outrage

mrbojangles25

It was the other way around. It was people being surprised at them casting dark-skinned actors... for characters described in the book as being "olive-skinned."

Wait, what?

"olive-skinned" usually refers to very tan Mediterraneans, like Greeks or Sicilians.  iirc the olive skinned folks were the agriculture district, so they were outside a lot, and thus very tan.

but uhhhh, yeah...they were from the ag district.  WHich I guess was from the area know as Atlanta, Georgia? Or washington, DC? lol

Either way, in the film it was a very blatant parallel to American agricultural slavery.
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#28 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (18526 posts) -

[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

I don't know why people care so much, fictional characters are just that fictional. Characters can be re-imagined, re-packaged in any way the author see fit. This isn't about a documentary or a movie based on someone's life. Fans need to understand that the only thing they are entitle to is to decide if they want to watch the movie or not. 

PcGamingRig

True.

It is probably because they are hanging onto the old comic stories and such, which have connections and explanations with a lot of things in the characters history.

Whereas this movie, other than a few subtle hints about a characters past, will probably just be about the story at hand in the present and the Fantastic Four name. Which is probably the reason, there is just no explanation for the change and that annoys them.

The thing is they are suppossed to be basing this movie based on a WELL established comic book series where the characters were WHITE. Whether people like to admit it, skin color is an important aspect to a character and alot of times the way a character is written is going to have a heavy influence from their skin color.

If they just change the skin color, then we are going to have a black character who acts just like some white suburban guy which I assure you people will be mad about (and also kind of makes the race change pointless). If they change his personality to make him seem more "black", then they are screwing up the characters personality which is also a big deal and will piss off another group of people.

This just seems like a silly, uneccessary change that does nothing for the story but changes and complicates the lore, this is why people get mad.Remember, they are adapting a WELL established story here, not starting their own series,

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#29 Posted by thebest31406 (3775 posts) -

[QUOTE="PcGamingRig"]

[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

I don't know why people care so much, fictional characters are just that fictional. Characters can be re-imagined, re-packaged in any way the author see fit. This isn't about a documentary or a movie based on someone's life. Fans need to understand that the only thing they are entitle to is to decide if they want to watch the movie or not. 

LostProphetFLCL

True.

It is probably because they are hanging onto the old comic stories and such, which have connections and explanations with a lot of things in the characters history.

Whereas this movie, other than a few subtle hints about a characters past, will probably just be about the story at hand in the present and the Fantastic Four name. Which is probably the reason, there is just no explanation for the change and that annoys them.

The thing is they are suppossed to be basing this movie based on a WELL established comic book series where the characters were WHITE. Whether people like to admit it, skin color is an important aspect to a character and alot of times the way a character is written is going to have a heavy influence from their skin color.

If they just change the skin color, then we are going to have a black character who acts just like some white suburban guy which I assure you people will be mad about (and also kind of makes the race change pointless). If they change his personality to make him seem more "black", then they are screwing up the characters personality which is also a big deal and will piss off another group of people.

This just seems like a silly, uneccessary change that does nothing for the story but changes and complicates the lore, this is why people get mad.Remember, they are adapting a WELL established story here, not starting their own series,

1. How and why is skin color a very important aspect to comic character? 2. I know and have seen plenty of Black men and women who "act White". I don't know if you know this but despite some media outlets illustrating otherwise, many black people "act" in many different ways.
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#30 Posted by m0zart (11568 posts) -

Cracked works a lot better for me when they're being clever and joking around, not when they're being so preachy.

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#31 Posted by Crunchy_Nuts (2749 posts) -

 

comic book nerds are the fvcking worst.

Zaibach
Even worse the videogame fanboys.
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#32 Posted by Saturos3091 (14938 posts) -

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

Hunger Games casts white girl in 'dark skinned' female role: Outrage

PannicAtack

It was the other way around. It was people being surprised at them casting dark-skinned actors... for characters described in the book as being "olive-skinned."

Wait, what?

Well yeah but there was some backlash on the main character who was described as "olive-skinned" as well, right? At least that's what I read. She was played by a white, blue-eyed, blonde-haired actress (Jennifer Lawrence). I know there was some backlash over this too.
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#33 Posted by turtlethetaffer (18583 posts) -

Got a good chuckle from the article. It's a reboot, people.

Batman was never supposed to be realistic, right?  Hell, Bane's supposed to be like ten feet tall and have muscles bigger than his head, isn't he? Didn't see anyone b!tch about that in DKR.

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#34 Posted by XilePrincess (13130 posts) -
When it comes from books or comic books, I understand passion one way or another. It's not specifically about RACE, but when a character is described a certain way (especially through a series) and you have this image in your head of them, I would totally understand if an out-there casting drove people nuts. It'd be like if the whole Weasley family was cast as South Asian folks, or Cho Chang as a white girl. That would drive me bonkers and I would hate the movies for it if they did. I'm not racist, they'd just be completely ignoring the whole character description and that would annoy me. As for the Hunger Games, I haven't read the books, but how irritating must it be for a reader to see Jennifer Lawrence on the book covers now, and then have her described as a black girl? So confusing.
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#35 Posted by MrGeezer (59112 posts) -

Got a good chuckle from the article. It's a reboot, people.

Batman was never supposed to be realistic, right?  Hell, Bane's supposed to be like ten feet tall and have muscles bigger than his head, isn't he? Didn't see anyone b!tch about that in DKR.

turtlethetaffer
I absolutely heard people complaining that Bane was too small, as well as that Wolverine isn't short enough. People complain about all sorts of things. And while changing a character's race might not usually change the essence of the character, it is a pretty big change to the character's appearance. Of course some people are going to complain. And while it's true that some of the people complaining might be racists, it's stupid to assume that they're racists just because they're reacting to the character's appearance being changed.
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#36 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

They have a right to complain, I don't even read fantatic 4 and Iam pissed at this, JB is a white man, you can't just change him into a black man. 

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#37 Posted by Diablo-B (4063 posts) -
I was so disappointed that it wasnt the REAL Michael Jordan.
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#38 Posted by Diablo-B (4063 posts) -

They have a right to complain, I don't even read fantatic 4 and Iam pissed at this, JB is a white man, you can't just change him into a black man. 

ultimate-k
Why not?
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#39 Posted by muscleserge (3307 posts) -
Imagine the sh*tstorm if the Black Panther would be played by Silvester Stalone.
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#40 Posted by muscleserge (3307 posts) -
[QUOTE="ultimate-k"]

They have a right to complain, I don't even read fantatic 4 and Iam pissed at this, JB is a white man, you can't just change him into a black man. 

Diablo-B
Why not?

How would you feel if the only reason you were cast in a role is because of PC? OR how would you like to be a "token" hire? Black people are the ones who should be offended.
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#41 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

[QUOTE="ultimate-k"]

They have a right to complain, I don't even read fantatic 4 and Iam pissed at this, JB is a white man, you can't just change him into a black man. 

Diablo-B

Why not?

 

Fine have captain america played by a japanese man, ye while you at at it, make spiderman into a four year old girl. The point is if you going do a movie based of something at least have the actors look abit like the characters they are acting. 

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#42 Posted by thebest31406 (3775 posts) -

Got a good chuckle from the article. It's a reboot, people.

Batman was never supposed to be realistic, right?  Hell, Bane's supposed to be like ten feet tall and have muscles bigger than his head, isn't he? Didn't see anyone b!tch about that in DKR.

turtlethetaffer
I did. loool that was the worst bane ever; yes, even worst than the Batman & Robin version.
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#43 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (18526 posts) -

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="PcGamingRig"]True.

It is probably because they are hanging onto the old comic stories and such, which have connections and explanations with a lot of things in the characters history.

Whereas this movie, other than a few subtle hints about a characters past, will probably just be about the story at hand in the present and the Fantastic Four name. Which is probably the reason, there is just no explanation for the change and that annoys them.

thebest31406

The thing is they are suppossed to be basing this movie based on a WELL established comic book series where the characters were WHITE. Whether people like to admit it, skin color is an important aspect to a character and alot of times the way a character is written is going to have a heavy influence from their skin color.

If they just change the skin color, then we are going to have a black character who acts just like some white suburban guy which I assure you people will be mad about (and also kind of makes the race change pointless). If they change his personality to make him seem more "black", then they are screwing up the characters personality which is also a big deal and will piss off another group of people.

This just seems like a silly, uneccessary change that does nothing for the story but changes and complicates the lore, this is why people get mad.Remember, they are adapting a WELL established story here, not starting their own series,

1. How and why is skin color a very important aspect to comic character? 2. I know and have seen plenty of Black men and women who "act White". I don't know if you know this but despite some media outlets illustrating otherwise, many black people "act" in many different ways.

1) When a character is well-established as having a certain appearance and such, it is a BIG change to do something like this, especially if it just ends up being a random change for no real reason. It's like in the Odd Thomas movie that's in the works, they have this random white actress cast as Stormy the main characters GF yet in the book there is a HUGE emphasis on Stormy having this really beautiful EGYPTIAN appearance with the darker skin and jet black hair. It is just a dumb change that is pointless and shows a betrayal to the source material (which even though this is a reboot, the source material still needs to be respected to a certain degree).

2) Never said that didn't happen or that I really cared, but there most certainly ARE people out there who chastise that sort of thing. God Wayne Bradey gets made fun of (or at least used too) all the time for "acting white". I do beleive that was the whole reasoning behind that AMAZING Chapelle Show sketch with Wayne Bradey.

I'm sorry, but it's just silly to me to make such a change unless it is going to mean something to the story.

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#44 Posted by Bucked20 (6651 posts) -
I was shocked when I found out so many people had a problem playing CJ in GTA
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#45 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (18526 posts) -

I was shocked when I found out so many people had a problem playing CJ in GTABucked20

Yeah I do not recall any such thing and in fact it seems to me that San Andreas is generally considered the best GTA to date.

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#46 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
Jesus, haven't seen comedy this preachy since f*cking South Park. Oh my god what a bad article.
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#47 Posted by thebest31406 (3775 posts) -

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

The thing is they are suppossed to be basing this movie based on a WELL established comic book series where the characters were WHITE. Whether people like to admit it, skin color is an important aspect to a character and alot of times the way a character is written is going to have a heavy influence from their skin color.

If they just change the skin color, then we are going to have a black character who acts just like some white suburban guy which I assure you people will be mad about (and also kind of makes the race change pointless). If they change his personality to make him seem more "black", then they are screwing up the characters personality which is also a big deal and will piss off another group of people.

This just seems like a silly, uneccessary change that does nothing for the story but changes and complicates the lore, this is why people get mad.Remember, they are adapting a WELL established story here, not starting their own series,

LostProphetFLCL

1. How and why is skin color a very important aspect to comic character? 2. I know and have seen plenty of Black men and women who "act White". I don't know if you know this but despite some media outlets illustrating otherwise, many black people "act" in many different ways.

1) When a character is well-established as having a certain appearance and such, it is a BIG change to do something like this, especially if it just ends up being a random change for no real reason. It's like in the Odd Thomas movie that's in the works, they have this random white actress cast as Stormy the main characters GF yet in the book there is a HUGE emphasis on Stormy having this really beautiful EGYPTIAN appearance with the darker skin and jet black hair. It is just a dumb change that is pointless and shows a betrayal to the source material (which even though this is a reboot, the source material still needs to be respected to a certain degree).

2) Never said that didn't happen or that I really cared, but there most certainly ARE people out there who chastise that sort of thing. God Wayne Bradey gets made fun of (or at least used too) all the time for "acting white". I do beleive that was the whole reasoning behind that AMAZING Chapelle Show sketch with Wayne Bradey.

I'm sorry, but it's just silly to me to make such a change unless it is going to mean something to the story.

Well, with regard to the point about folks chastising black guys "acting white", they're racists so who cares? With respect to casting Black actors in traditionally white comic roles, I really don't know how to feel about it. On one had, diversity in mainstream comics and comic movies is novel, but I can't help but to wonder if this somehow undermines traditionally Black characters. With this current trend, i reckon there's very little chance of us seeing a Luke Cage, War Machine, Blade or Black Panther film.
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#48 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
Michael B. Jordan was pretty great as Wallace in The Wire, though. If he can act then no complaints from me. But casting a black guy into a white character's role, casting a blonde white girl as his sister and then making up something about adoption or whatever seems really contrived tbh. Might as well make his sister a sister too.
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#49 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (18526 posts) -

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] 1. How and why is skin color a very important aspect to comic character? 2. I know and have seen plenty of Black men and women who "act White". I don't know if you know this but despite some media outlets illustrating otherwise, many black people "act" in many different ways.thebest31406

1) When a character is well-established as having a certain appearance and such, it is a BIG change to do something like this, especially if it just ends up being a random change for no real reason. It's like in the Odd Thomas movie that's in the works, they have this random white actress cast as Stormy the main characters GF yet in the book there is a HUGE emphasis on Stormy having this really beautiful EGYPTIAN appearance with the darker skin and jet black hair. It is just a dumb change that is pointless and shows a betrayal to the source material (which even though this is a reboot, the source material still needs to be respected to a certain degree).

2) Never said that didn't happen or that I really cared, but there most certainly ARE people out there who chastise that sort of thing. God Wayne Bradey gets made fun of (or at least used too) all the time for "acting white". I do beleive that was the whole reasoning behind that AMAZING Chapelle Show sketch with Wayne Bradey.

I'm sorry, but it's just silly to me to make such a change unless it is going to mean something to the story.

Well, with regard to the point about folks chastising black guys "acting white", they're racists so who cares? With respect to casting Black actors in traditionally white comic roles, I really don't know how to feel about it. On one had, diversity in mainstream comics and comic movies is novel, but I can't help but to wonder if this somehow undermines traditionally Black characters. With this current trend, i reckon there's very little chance of us seeing a Luke Cage, War Machine, Blade or Black Panther film.

Yeah I almost wonder if they changed the characters race just to stir up controversy and get free publicity. We shall see though. If they end up making it mean something to the story then it's all good.

Really though, the comic industry has had a REALLY BAD history in regards to racism and how non-white characters are portrayed...

I did think they did a good job with Blade though. Freakin LOVED the first 2 movies back in the day.

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#50 Posted by KHAndAnime (17565 posts) -
That's affirmative action for you