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#1  Edited By slipknot0129
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I find it funny how everybody is so closed minded about their beliefs in life. You have Christians that are close minded and you have close minded Atheists. You have Atheists that are just as close minded as the Westboro church, it's funny to me. I imagine everybody reaches a point in their life where they are stuck in their beliefs. Me, I'm not a Christian but I found god. I have my own personal relationship with her and the universe. I have my place on the internet where people accept my beliefs as something positive on their life. Everybody does. You can't change who you are, it just is.

Have you reached a point in your life where you are stuck in your beliefs and view of life?

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#2  Edited By Master_Live
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I don't, I think I'm still forming my beliefs (or lack of beliefs) or evolving on them. It was't long ago when I simply I realized that I was an atheist: I have been swimming like an atheist, quacking like an atheist but I think the moment you affirmative acknowledge to yourself that you are an atheist is a significant moment psychologically. *Still waiting for someone to ask me directly if I believe in God, hopefully it doesn't happen at the next Thanksgiving family gathering* (Have I already become that annoying internet atheist guy?)

Locally, I think I have been transitioning from one political party to another and that has been truly hard to acknowledge to myself let alone others.

On the other hand I think my political philosophy still has gaps yet to be filled.

I just feel like I'm always acquiring knowledge that transforms my beliefs, sometimes it simply fine tunes some of them.

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#3 thehig1
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@slipknot0129: athiesism isn't a belief, its the opposite.

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@thehig1 said:

@slipknot0129: athiesism isn't a belief, its the opposite.

To me it is.

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#5 thehig1
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@slipknot0129: your belief doesn't change a fact, it's not a belief, it's the lack of

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#6 slipknot0129
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@slipknot0129: your belief doesn't change a fact, it's not a belief, it's the lack of

It's not a fact, it's your opinion. I could change the wording of anything around to make it look like a fact but it's still a opinion.

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#7 Master_Live
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Ah, this thread will end well.

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#8  Edited By thehig1
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@slipknot0129: it's a fact.

Atheism literally means disbelief or lack of belief In the existance of a God or gods.

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#9 slipknot0129
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@thehig1 said:

@slipknot0129: it's a fact.

Atheism literally means disbelief or lack of belief In the existance of a God or gods.

Yeah f you word it like that

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#10 thehig1
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@slipknot0129: that's the Oxford English dictionary wording of it.

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#11 slipknot0129
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@thehig1 said:

@slipknot0129: that's the Oxford English dictionary wording of it.

Still a belief. It's talking about babies who have the lack of belief. I'll just leave it at being a belief though.

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#12 slipknot0129
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Disbelief the word itself is a word of belief.

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#13  Edited By thehig1
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@slipknot0129: explain why you think it's a belief?

I don't think its a belief because it's actual definition states it's the lack of belief.

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#14 slipknot0129
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@slipknot0129: explain why you think it's a belief?

I don't think its a belief because it's actual definition states it's the lack of belief.

It takes thought to think of yourself as an atheist. That's why it's a belief. They could have worded the definition any way they wanted to, it still means the same.

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#15 thehig1
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@slipknot0129: it's worded as what it means, a lack of belief.

The definition of belief is

An exceptence that something exists or is true especially one without proof.

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@thehig1 said:

@slipknot0129: it's worded as what it means, a lack of belief.

The definition of belief is

An exceptence that something exists or is true especially one without proof.

Any way you word it, it's still a belief.

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#17 thehig1
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@slipknot0129: no its not

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#20 slipknot0129
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@slipknot0129: I used to disbelieve in God because I wanted God to be my slave, answering to my calls. Mainly because most of popular religions advertise God to be our slaves doing magic tricks to amuse us. And I just don't believe any of those magic tricks.

Later on, I realize believing in God is just the same as not believing one. The is no difference. And I decided to believe in God. And there is only one fact about God I believe in, which is God is omnipotent. That's the only definition about God in my own religion. Everything else, I think, are mis-represented interpretations using puny human drains written on a piece of paper.

Yeah I think of god as omnipotent too. Nothing she can't do. She's all there is and ever will be. Stuff happens for a reason.

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The goal of life is to keep breathing. Everything past that is up for discussion to me.....

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#23 always_explicit
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@slipknot0129 said:
@thehig1 said:

@slipknot0129: athiesism isn't a belief, its the opposite.

To me it is.

At this moment I wish christopher hitchens were here to hitchslap you into some form of basic understanding.

Just because you cant comprehend the lack of beleif does not make the lack of beleif impossible.

You beleive in the chocolate god

I dont beleive in the chocolate god.

But not beleiving in the chocolate god is a belief.

It cannot be a belief because there is no chocolate god.

This cycle will continue indefinately until the chocolate god is proven to exist or not exist. However the burden of proof lies with those who believe in the chocolate god...because an atheist does not believe in the chocolate god.

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#24  Edited By SanitySoldOut
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@slipknot0129 said:
@thehig1 said:

@slipknot0129: it's a fact.

Atheism literally means disbelief or lack of belief In the existance of a God or gods.

Yeah f you word it like that

It doesnt matter how you word it buddy. It is what it is.

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My ideas about life are changing almost everyday. If you were to label me, agnostic would be the most appropriate. I am also a scientist. I like to see proof and evidence. Someone who uses an ancient text, that has been translated over hundreds and hundreds of years, written by who may or may have not have existed, is not evidence. I cannot stand when people use that as an argument. Can you not simply say "I believe because....", instead of "my view is a fact because this book says so"?

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#26 foxhound_fox
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@slipknot0129 said:

You have Atheists that are just as close minded as the Westboro church

Name one.

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#27 slipknot0129
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@foxhound_fox said:
@slipknot0129 said:

You have Atheists that are just as close minded as the Westboro church

Name one.

James Randi. Reminds me of Fred Phelps but the atheist version.

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@slipknot0129 said:

James Randi. Reminds me of Fred Phelps but the atheist version.

The guy who is offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove legitimate paranormal or psychic ability? Sounds like a very open-minded person to me. He's just waiting to be proven wrong.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@slipknot0129 said:

James Randi. Reminds me of Fred Phelps but the atheist version.

The guy who is offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove legitimate paranormal or psychic ability? Sounds like a very open-minded person to me. He's just waiting to be proven wrong.

Just the way atheism affects how you look to others. I just feel a bad delusional vibe from him. Same vibe I get from Phelps. A lot of atheists look delusional from my view.

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@slipknot0129 said:

Just the way atheism affects how you look to others. I just feel a bad delusional vibe from him. Same vibe I get from Phelps. A lot of atheists look delusional from my view.

A "bad vibe" somehow makes someone not open-minded? If anyone is delusional here, it's you.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@slipknot0129 said:

Just the way atheism affects how you look to others. I just feel a bad delusional vibe from him. Same vibe I get from Phelps. A lot of atheists look delusional from my view.

A "bad vibe" somehow makes someone not open-minded? If anyone is delusional here, it's you.

All I know is it feels good to be with god.

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@slipknot0129 said:

All I know is it feels good to be with god.

Feels better to be free from the shackles of a divine peeping tom.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@slipknot0129 said:

All I know is it feels good to be with god.

Feels better to be free from the shackles of a divine peeping tom.

When you die, they gonna say you go to heaven anyways lol, god will have the last say lol

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#34 mattbbpl
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I think it's perfectly possible, arguably even easy, to be either an atheist or Christian (just as examples) and still be open minded. I think it takes a little self reflection to retain that as you get older, though.

@Master_Live: Transitioning from political party to political party is A-OK. The parties themselves are not static in their platforms, so even if you remained exactly the same you'd likely be prone to switching (or at least waffling) political parties if you were being honest with yourself.

And we might be on the verge of a significant political realignment as we speak. Stay tuned in the coming years to find out.

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@slipknot0129 said:
@thehig1 said:

@slipknot0129: your belief doesn't change a fact, it's not a belief, it's the lack of

It's not a fact, it's your opinion. I could change the wording of anything around to make it look like a fact but it's still a opinion.

So is abstinence a sexual position?

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#36 thehig1
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@hillelslovak: just like off is a tv channel and bald is a hair style.

The OP says athiests are close minded, the truth is often relgoius people are close minded.

An atheist being lack of belief would change the view in the wake of evidence, a Christian (or most oher relgion) in the wake of evidence will still believe there ancient text is correct.

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#37  Edited By always_explicit
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@slipknot0129 said:
@foxhound_fox said:
@slipknot0129 said:

Just the way atheism affects how you look to others. I just feel a bad delusional vibe from him. Same vibe I get from Phelps. A lot of atheists look delusional from my view.

A "bad vibe" somehow makes someone not open-minded? If anyone is delusional here, it's you.

All I know is it feels good to be with god.

How can one be duluded when their standpoint is that something does not exist.

Can I assume you are not deluded about the existance of the flying spaghetti monster....il assume you dont lose sleep theorising about the flying spaghetti monsters existence...if this is the case then you share an atheist position. The same position I share about the existance of God. Its not delusion, its simply not a consideration, because im atheist.

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#38 foxhound_fox
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@slipknot0129 said:

When you die, they gonna say you go to heaven anyways lol, god will have the last say lol

When I die, I will be dead.

And what if there is an afterlife that doesn't conform to your belief system and believing in what you do sends you to the punishment realm for that afterlife?

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@slipknot0129 said:
@foxhound_fox said:
@slipknot0129 said:

James Randi. Reminds me of Fred Phelps but the atheist version.

The guy who is offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove legitimate paranormal or psychic ability? Sounds like a very open-minded person to me. He's just waiting to be proven wrong.

Just the way atheism affects how you look to others. I just feel a bad delusional vibe from him. Same vibe I get from Phelps. A lot of atheists look delusional from my view.

Ironic how someone according to you isn't open minded simply cause you feel they aren't and thus to you that is confirmation that they aren't open minded.

How very open minded of you.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@slipknot0129 said:

You have Atheists that are just as close minded as the Westboro church

Name one.

Franklin Walker from Baton Rouge, LA.

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@slipknot0129 said:
@foxhound_fox said:
@slipknot0129 said:

Just the way atheism affects how you look to others. I just feel a bad delusional vibe from him. Same vibe I get from Phelps. A lot of atheists look delusional from my view.

A "bad vibe" somehow makes someone not open-minded? If anyone is delusional here, it's you.

All I know is it feels good to be with god.

what's the saying? "your personal experiences mean absolutely nothing to me" ?

as mine shouldn't to you.

anyway. i'd like to think that my beliefs are constantly evolving as new information presents itself.

whether or not that's actually true, i don't know. but i like to think it :)

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@MrGeezer said:

Franklin Walker from Baton Rouge, LA.

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@foxhound_fox: Eh, you wouldn't know him. But trust me, he's just the worst.

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The goal of life is to keep breathing. Everything past that is up for discussion to me.....

Actually, the goal of life is successful reproduction.

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@thegerg said:

Let's review some of @slipknot0129's beliefs about life:

-A belief is actually the same thing as the lack of belief.

-A person actively encouraging people to provide evidence for things he doesn't believe is "close minded."

Honestly dude, are you trolling

Trolling or dense. I'm leaning towards the latter.

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#49  Edited By deactivated-5acfa3a8bc51d
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I believe there is a rhythm, flow, vibe to follow. Life should be an endless dance move. When you lose rhythm everything just feels like snares.

Obviously when your in a good mood you can take any punches but when you have no mood everything hurts.

There is a sweet spot in time and space where everything happening just feels good. You would have to let go of prejudice feelings against yourself and others, also more importantly have fun without feeling ashamed, easier said then done.

Also, disbelief is a belief just like zero is a number as one is a number. People can have no belief as in no opinion but disbelief as in thinking the belief is incorrect is very engaging with the belief itself.

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@bforrester420 said:
@hillelslovak said:

The goal of life is to keep breathing. Everything past that is up for discussion to me.....

Actually, the goal of life is successful reproduction.

Which is not accomplished without breathing.