Obama says students with disabilities have a right to play sports

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

If women will be in combat with men in the military, and have to go through the rigor of that training, there's no reason that they shouldn't compete along side men in sports. I teach at a small enough instutition that many of the sports are coed like tennis and soccer.

worlock77

Using the current rules that are in place, women have no chance of competing with men in the NFL, NBA, or MLB. Obviously.

What specific rules in place prevent women from competing in those leagues?

The rules don't prevent them from trying to compete. They won't be able to compete athletically without changing the rules of the game.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes....they should be able to participate in sports as long as it's within their abilities allow them to compete. What's the big deal L?worlock77

Exactly. A person who, for example, is deaf might be disabled, but there is nothing about his disability that would preclude him from playing baseball.

That's not the issue at hand. In the article that the TC posted, the rules of the sport were actually altered to allow a mostly blind person to be more competitive.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Using the current rules that are in place, women have no chance of competing with men in the NFL, NBA, or MLB. Obviously.

hartsickdiscipl

What specific rules in place prevent women from competing in those leagues?

The rules don't prevent them from trying to compete. They won't be able to compete athletically without changing the rules of the game.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

What specific rules in place prevent women from competing in those leagues?

LJS9502_basic

The rules don't prevent them from trying to compete. They won't be able to compete athletically without changing the rules of the game.

Then let's see it. I want to see one woman make it in the NFL for more than a season playing a position other than kicker or punter.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The rules don't prevent them from trying to compete. They won't be able to compete athletically without changing the rules of the game.

hartsickdiscipl

Then let's see it. I want to see one woman make it in the NFL for more than a season playing a position other than kicker or punter.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Did they have to change any of the rules of the game itself to let black players in? No. Stupid, stupid example.

hartsickdiscipl

You're not referring to dunking, are you?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes....they should be able to participate in sports as long as it's within their abilities allow them to compete. What's the big deal L?hartsickdiscipl

Exactly. A person who, for example, is deaf might be disabled, but there is nothing about his disability that would preclude him from playing baseball.

That's not the issue at hand. In the article that the TC posted, the rules of the sport were actually altered to allow a mostly blind person to be more competitive.

The fundamental rules? No, not really they weren't. Not sure if you realize this but minor rules are not static, and most leagues in any given sport make their own rule adjustments for any number of different reasons.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Are you sure about that? Since it's never been done....I think it would premature to say not one woman could play in the pros if given the chance.LJS9502_basic

Then let's see it. I want to see one woman make it in the NFL for more than a season playing a position other than kicker or punter.

And that won't change precisely because of mindsets like hartsick's.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Exactly. A person who, for example, is deaf might be disabled, but there is nothing about his disability that would preclude him from playing baseball.

worlock77

That's not the issue at hand. In the article that the TC posted, the rules of the sport were actually altered to allow a mostly blind person to be more competitive.

The fundamental rules? No, not really they weren't. Not sure if you realize this but minor rules are not static, and most leagues in any given sport make their own rule adjustments for any number of different reasons.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Culture of the sport doesn't allow it.:|jim_shorts

I'm sure there are many who could. Women aren't delicately little flowers who'll break if touched or breathed on too hard. They can be a lot tougher than many men want to give them credit for.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Culture of the sport doesn't allow it.:|jim_shorts

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That's not the issue at hand. In the article that the TC posted, the rules of the sport were actually altered to allow a mostly blind person to be more competitive.

Laihendi

The fundamental rules? No, not really they weren't. Not sure if you realize this but minor rules are not static, and most leagues in any given sport make their own rule adjustments for any number of different reasons.

Considering that the sport consists of two guys rubbing against each other, yeah, it's a minor change.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

How does that particular rule give ether player a particular advantage or disadvantage?

worlock77

He never said such, neither did the article you cited.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That's not the issue at hand. In the article that the TC posted, the rules of the sport were actually altered to allow a mostly blind person to be more competitive.

Laihendi

The fundamental rules? No, not really they weren't. Not sure if you realize this but minor rules are not static, and most leagues in any given sport make their own rule adjustments for any number of different reasons.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

The fundamental rules? No, not really they weren't. Not sure if you realize this but minor rules are not static, and most leagues in any given sport make their own rule adjustments for any number of different reasons.

worlock77

Considering that the sport consists of two guys rubbing against each other, yeah, it's a minor change.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

The fundamental rules? No, not really they weren't. Not sure if you realize this but minor rules are not static, and most leagues in any given sport make their own rule adjustments for any number of different reasons.

Abbeten

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Making it so wrestlers have to touch each other at all times it not a minor rule. That is a huge change to the sport, and in that example it served absolutely no purpose for anyone except that one blind guy.

Laihendi

Considering that the sport consists of two guys rubbing against each other, yeah, it's a minor change.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Making it so wrestlers have to touch each other at all times it not a minor rule. That is a huge change to the sport, and in that example it served absolutely no purpose for anyone except that one blind guy.Laihendi

If a school wants to form a new team for them then I guess I don't care.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Considering that the sport consists of two guys rubbing against each other, yeah, it's a minor change.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, it's kinda like arguing that requiring two arm wrestler's hands be bound together is a fundamental alteration to the sport.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Culture of the sport doesn't allow it.:|LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]It has nothing to do with the culture of the sport. A woman could not physically play a position like linebacker where the player's body is constantly being abused.jim_shorts

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]It has nothing to do with the culture of the sport. A woman could not physically play a position like linebacker where the player's body is constantly being abused.jim_shorts

There have been male sub-6 ft/sub-200 lb players do pretty good in the sport. Size is not everything.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Position =/= sport. And I think you'd be surprised by some women....

worlock77

There have been male sub-6 ft/sub-200 lb players do pretty good in the sport. Size is not everything.

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] The only position a woman could conceivably play is kicker. Literally nothing else. These are the top .0000001% of male athletes and you think a woman could compete with them? Maybe one in a lifetime. Women don't have the speed or the ability to put on muscle to play in the NFL. They would be a liability on any NFL team. That's why the don't get a chance.jim_shorts

There have been male sub-6 ft/sub-200 lb players do pretty good in the sport. Size is not everything.

So now you're saying that women can't run ether?

So now you're saying that women can't run ether?

worlock77

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's entirely possible for a woman to physically adapt to the position a sport would require if she had the chance to play said sport. As I said above...it's the culture that stops that from happening. Why are you so panicked that a woman might play a sport that is currently male dominated? Would you feel emasculated if a woman could catch a football?jim_shorts

And, despite all the distraction about professional leagues, this thread is about is scholastic athletics.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's entirely possible for a woman to physically adapt to the position a sport would require if she had the chance to play said sport. As I said above...it's the culture that stops that from happening. Why are you so panicked that a woman might play a sport that is currently male dominated? Would you feel emasculated if a woman could catch a football?worlock77

And, despite all the distraction about professional leagues, this thread is about is scholastic athletics.

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So now you're saying that women can't run ether?

jim_shorts

But it is possible that women can, which basically contradicts what you've been arguing. And the reason why there are seperate heats is because people still have absolutely absurd notions again coed athletics.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

There have been male sub-6 ft/sub-200 lb players do pretty good in the sport. Size is not everything.

worlock77

So now you're saying that women can't run ether?

Or he's saying that they can't run as fast, hence the word "speed". Nowhere in his post did he say, or even imply, that women "can't run".

And the reason why there are seperate heats is because people still have absolutely absurd notions again coed athletics.worlock77

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So now you're saying that women can't run ether?

worlock77

But it is possible that women can, which basically contradicts what you've been arguing. And the reason why there are seperate heats is because people still have absolutely absurd notions again coed athletics.

Youv'e gotta be kidding me. That's not the reason why there are separate heats...

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]Actually they did, not sure about the MLB, but the NBA most certainly did...

Yusuke420

You're not referring to dunking, are you?

LOL. No.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Are you sure about that? Since it's never been done....I think it would premature to say not one woman could play in the pros if given the chance.LJS9502_basic

Then let's see it. I want to see one woman make it in the NFL for more than a season playing a position other than kicker or punter.

lol.. nice try.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Exactly. A person who, for example, is deaf might be disabled, but there is nothing about his disability that would preclude him from playing baseball.

worlock77

That's not the issue at hand. In the article that the TC posted, the rules of the sport were actually altered to allow a mostly blind person to be more competitive.

The fundamental rules? No, not really they weren't. Not sure if you realize this but minor rules are not static, and most leagues in any given sport make their own rule adjustments for any number of different reasons.

I guess you've never wrestled competitively. That's a big rule change. I explained why earlier in the thread.

Female High School Quarterback.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/sports/girl-is-pioneer-at-quarterback-for-florida-high-school.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Changes like this often happen at younger ages and lower levels, but it will continue to trickle up.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So now you're saying that women can't run ether?

worlock77

But it is possible that women can, which basically contradicts what you've been arguing. And the reason why there are seperate heats is because people still have absolutely absurd notions again coed athletics.

There has never been a single woman on the face of this Earth who could beat Usain Bolt. I'm confident in saying that. Prove me wrong.

Female High School Quarterback.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/sports/girl-is-pioneer-at-quarterback-for-florida-high-school.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Changes like this often happen at younger ages and lower levels, but it will continue to trickle up.

jimkabrhel

Lame example. I dated a woman who was the quarterback on her high school team. It was a small high school, and she had no chance in hell of playing collegiately. She admitted as much.

there has never been a single man on the face of this earth who could beat usain bolt, eitherAbbeten

A guy on his own team beat him during the 2012 Olympics or trials, can't remember which.

update- here you go

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-2167516/Usain-Bolt-beaten-Yohan-Blake-again.html

If you look at the fastest men's times, they are FAR faster than the fastest women's times. Even the mediocre men's times are faster. This is such a stupid discussion. There is no argument here.

When is Barry Obeyme going to stop pretending to be a "liberal" (classic definition) or "progressive". Instead we get red herring after red herring, all of which always seems to involve banning, regulating or forcing something.MrPraline

He's clearly a delusional authoritarian.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]When is Barry Obeyme going to stop pretending to be a "liberal" (classic definition) or "progressive". Instead we get red herring after red herring, all of which always seems to involve banning, regulating or forcing something.hartsickdiscipl

He's clearly a delusional authoritarian.

He's clearly no different than his predecessors.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]When is Barry Obeyme going to stop pretending to be a "liberal" (classic definition) or "progressive". Instead we get red herring after red herring, all of which always seems to involve banning, regulating or forcing something.hartsickdiscipl

He's clearly a delusional authoritarian.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]When is Barry Obeyme going to stop pretending to be a "liberal" (classic definition) or "progressive". Instead we get red herring after red herring, all of which always seems to involve banning, regulating or forcing something.jimkabrhel

He's clearly a delusional authoritarian.

He's clearly no different than his predecessors.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

He's clearly a delusional authoritarian.

jim_shorts

He's clearly no different than his predecessors.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

He's clearly a delusional authoritarian.

jim_shorts

He's clearly no different than his predecessors.

Which is extremely vague and includes no real solutions.