@sunniesaurus said:
@richietickles said:
@Treflis said:
@richietickles said:
@Treflis said:
@deeliman said:
Last time I checked you needed a drivers license to legally drive a car...
That's the next issue they'll adresse. Soon it'll be that aslong as you got car keys then you can drive.
Here's the thing: when a person buys a car, they are and must be in constant control of it at all times. When someone carries a gun, it's basically something they've got on their person in case they need it.
It's sort of like a condom: you're not expecting to use it when you go out on Friday night, but you've got one, maybe a backup too if you want to be extra safe.
I'm fairly certain one ought to be in constant control of their firearm to ensure not only their own but also the safety of others.
I agree, but there's a plethora of information in the manuals and pamphlets that come with the gun and even more on the internet. Back in the 80's and 90's there was a need for safety courses, but people don't need that anymore now that youtube exists.
This comment surprised me so much that I had to log back into an account I don't even use just to put my two cents in.
You know what? It's not so much the fact that a ludicrous law is being passed that ruffles my feathers. Hell, I'm all for concealed carry, I lived in a boatload of places that were incredibly unsafe and I didn't feel an ounce of security unless my father had a weapon in the house that could stop someone in their tracks with a warning shot. Want to know the worst place I EVER lived in that made me feel like I couldn't turn a corner without losing my life?
JUNCTION. CITY. KANSAS.
Oh my GOD I can't believe Kansas of all places is going to allow a non-permitted conceal carry law. I just might vomit. One of my best friends was the victim of a home invasion where two men walked right into their home and not only beat the family, but stole all their crap. Hell, she even missed school for a few days because they had feared for their lives. The two men who did it had no previous record. Could you imagine, them falling under the new law and able to get a weapon without a permit nor the classes for safety? Those morons would have put bullets in my best friend and her family faster than a chicken running with their head cut off, and those Kansas chickens are crazy, I've seen them. I LIVED there.
But you know what, that's fine. It's cool. Nixing the permit and the classes is fine. Go ahead, lets get on youtube and watch a video about how to handle a firearm, and then lets see someone go and test it out. Lets go ahead and have the rookie working the meat slicer watch a little youtube to learn how to handle the equipment properly without slicing their fingers off (which, by the way, I still managed to slice the tip of my pointer off after hours of hands on training--I'm not exempt to human error even WITH hands on work) or maybe check out youtube to learn how to properly dispose of an acidic chemical that could eat through your skin. Yeah, youtube has all the answers now doesn't it?
Don't you think for maybe one moment that your statement is just a little blinded? Do you honestly feel that it is truly okay to have a non-permit weapon with no safety course to speak of-on somebody who's only education is a scrap of paper with some directions and a few youtube videos? Youtube isn't going to teach a person hands on education with a dangerous piece of equipment. The Christmas Story phrase "You'll shoot your eye out kid" comes to mind--except it won't be their eye, it'll probably be someone elses, since they didn't take target practice lessons either to learn how to aim properly.
Well I'm sorry to hear that your friend was burglarized, but one act by a duo does not constitute the whole society of Kansas and you make it sound like every person is a buffoon that as soon as they touch a potentially dangerous object will cause an apocalyptic event. Whether those two guys had clean records or not would not have made a difference in what they did. Criminals who are armed will carry a gun wherever they intend to cause crimes, law abiding people will follow the law.
Prior to the new law, it was already legal to carry a firearm openly in the state without a permit, thus no classes were required. So why is it so different that a person must have taken instruction courses for a concealed carry permit, but nothing for open carry? IMO open carry is more dangerous because the gun is openly displayed and the person has to be much more aware of his/her surroundings.
Comparing meat slicers to guns is foolish. There's a difference between learning to be safe with a firearm and learning to shoot. Being safe with a gun requires nothing more than a list of guidelines, learning to shoot well does require practice, but that practice doesn't require an instructor. You yourself with plenty of experience still wasn't enough to stop from injuring yourself, but when you're using those tools everyday, the chances of something happening increase.
I'd say tho, that the chances of you lopping off another finger are a lot greater than a 19 year old girl accidentally shooting herself or somebody else now that this law is passed.
At the end of the day, if someone is proficient with firearms, they shouldn't be hassled with training courses, nor should an inexperienced person. As Gov. Brownback said, he wanted people who needed training to seek it out, he just doesn't want to force people into it. He's giving the power to the individual, where it rightly belongs.
My suggestion of youtube is just a means for someone to start learning. If after getting informed online isn't enough for them to feel that they're being safe, then it's their CHOICE to seek extra assistance from instructors, which will cost them money.
Finally, I'm glad I helped u dust off the old alt account.
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