My thoughts on Star Wars The Last Jedi **SPOILERS**

Well, I think we have gotten the most lopsided Star Wars film in recent memory which is pretty disappointing.

First, with the bad:

-I was not a fan of the rapid succession of jokes- it just seemed like the entire cast was on rapid fire the whole movie and it kept messing with the overall tone.

-If the film ditched the whole Finn and Rose filler sub-plot, I think the film would have been much better off.

-We all saw it, and we all hated it. That Leia flying through space scene was probably the worst scene I have ever seen in a Star Wars movie. Myself and everyone else in the audience just cringed because it was terrible. Wouldn't it have been a better send off for Leia to do the whole light speed battering ram sacrifice instead of some new purple haired female character who no one gives a shit about?

-Snoke was a total waste of a character.

Now with some of the good:

+I really enjoyed the music and the action scenes were done extremely well. That scene where Kylo Ren and Rey fought the royal guards was awesome.

+Really liked the Poe scenes a lot.

+The Luke and Rey dynamic was fantastic. Anytime Luke was on screen the audience would cheer and it was epic.

+I actually really like Kylo Ren as a character, he isn't your typical bad guy and there is just a layer of depth to him that I really enjoy.

Overall, after looking at everything I would give the film a 7.5 because if it didn't have so many missteps then it would have been a truly great Star Wars film. In comparison, I gave The Force Awakens an 8.5 because I think it truly is the better film. The Force Awakens may be similar to A New Hope in plot, but at least it didn't hit the low points that The Last Jedi hit.

Nobody cares what you think ? Its a epic awesome SW movie ?

Definitely not awesome, very good maybe, but no awesome.

It's all opinion. I've seen it twice already and think it's awesome. It's a new generation of Star Wars and it's never going to be the same type of film as the older ones. 70's kids generally hated the prequels for the same reason. Movies change over the years and they have to appease the new audiences that have expectations that might alter what you'd expect. Putting out of place humor is obviously a new thing. Just look at the comedy Thor became. I try to look past those incidentals and enjoy the core of the film. Not nit-picking also helps me enjoy films more.

Oh, and the Porgs were cute and taste like chicken!

After watching Star Wars: The Last Jedi twice over the weekend, this is what I like/dislike about the film and it is:

Like & love:

What I didn't like:

Final thought: I liked the movie and thought it was better than The Force Awakens to a degree. I give it a 7/10.

Ive generally found those who grew up with the original trilogy, enjoy the new movies but hated the PT. Those who grew up with the PT, didnt seem to understand the OT and hate the new movies.

Well people like to shit all over The Force Awakens, but the The Force Awakens is a MUCH better movie than The Last Jedi. Like I have said, The Last Jedi hit some serious low points in the series (possibly the lowest points out of any Star Wars film ever made). The plot wasn't that great and even though some scenes were great, some scenes were terrible. My point is that The Force Awakens didn't really hit those same low points which make it the better movie.

I loved the OT since I grew up with it and I completely dislike the PT. I think the Force Awakens was great, but this new movie was not. I have seen it twice now and the second time was worse. I was literally sitting in the moving thinking to myself "when is this going to be over?!".

This film had more filler than Dragon Ball Z- literally nothing to add to the story, let's just skyrocket that run time. Some scenes were also just so cringey. Luke getting milk from an alien and that whole Leia flying in space scene were awful scenes. The last time I saw a scene so cringey was that stupid special edition add-on in Return of the Jedi where they are singing and dancing in Jabba's Palace. The whole plot was just a boring 2 hour and 45 chase seen and it made no sense- why didn't the First Order just didn't blow up that ship?

• Weak story - 2 hour and 45 minute chase scene with one of the worst sub-plots out of any Star Wars film ever made. I wish Finn had really died because I hate him as a character now. Thanks Rose!
• Awful cringey scenes (some scenes hit an all time low for the saga). Leia using the force to fly through space and Luke getting milk from an alien and drinking it were just absurd
• No light saber duel
• Luke doesn't train Rey and basically kills himself
• Snoke is a joke
• Nonstop rapid fire of jokes that completely fucked the tone of the movie up

Johnson is also going to be making the "new trilogy", but if he is directing than I want no part of it. I originally gave this film a 7.5, but I now that I have seen it twice, I am bumping that down to a 6. Its up there with The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones as the worst Star Wars movie ever.

Last Jedi - 6

Rogue One - 8

The Force Awakens - 8.5

Return of the Jedi - 8.5

Empire Strikes Back - 9.5

A New Hope - 9

Revenge of the Sith - 6.5

Attack of the Clones - 6

The Phantom Menace - 6

Except for the death of main characters, the further destruction of hope and the uprise of a new supreme leader for the first order. These are pretty significant changes to the story and aside from the Finn/Rose story, none of it was filler. Id even hesitate to call the Finn/Rose story filler as it needed to happen. It was simply poorly constructed.

The first one is fan service. Its blue milk. Its what Luke was drinking on Tatooine.

The second is showing... not telling (which is good in cinema) that Leia is a trained jedi or a semi-trained jedi, but fairly powerful. Now, whatever they wanted to do with this, they can no longer do but i suspect it was very important for the series. In one of GLs original ideas for the 9 part series, he wanted luke to turn to the dark side alongside vader and actually being the more powerful of the two jedi.... Leia, had to help him back. It was a bit like Dark Empire if you've read that series. Given how much they're taking from the old EU, i suspect this was something they would attempt with Kylo and Leia.

Why would they? It was not a threat and they were attempting to finish the deal.

Luke does give Rey what she needs and he sacrifices himself.

Snoke is fine. He played the exact same role the Emperor did in 5 and 6. Which btw, im pretty sure he's not dead. Either he's not dead or we are going to meet "Ren".

Except for the death of main characters? Luke died (sort of), Leia lived (even though she wont be in the new film), and Ackbar was killed off screen. I also don't think Snoke is dead and I think he is going to be in the new one.

Can't believe you are defending the blue milk scene and the Leia scene, both were garbage. Everyone in the theater laughed during the Leia scene and everyone was quiet during the blue milk scene. On both Rotten Tomatoes and on Metacritc, user scores put the Last Jedi below every prequel movie. In fact, most fans didn't like it and there has been a huge outrage. Critically, this movie will be fine, but this movie was a jumbled mess. This was not the second entry we were looking for.

There is no 'sort of" about it, Lukes dead. He's now with the force, the same as Yoda, Anakin, Obi Wan, etc.

Leia... yah, that's a problem But what did you expect them to do? Rewrite and then refilm the entire movie?

The blue milk was nothing but a nod to fanboys, deal with it. It didnt change anything, it didnt make the story better or worse, you understood the scene and liked it, didnt and didnt, didnt and did, understood and didnt like it. At the end of the film, it didnt make it any better or worse.

Yes, there's a fairly large base of internet tough guys who have a hard on for hating disney star wars.

I saw it yesterday, and thought it was a pretty good sci-fi movie. I think I preferred Force Awakens, but this was decent too.

But I still don't get the unbelievable hype that these movies get... and never will. I saw people saying on Twitter that it's the best movie they've seen in years etc. Obviously they haven't seen many movies... lol.

For the first point I actually like that because they steered away from the typical fully evil villain. He is essentially a wild card after this episode which gives the next movie more unpredictability.

As for why they didn't destroy the cruiser, they actually explained that. They said at that range their lasers were ineffective against their shields and they had to order the fighters to return because they could not support them that far out.

I liked the movie

@kod: It's the way they used Luke and how he died which was absurd. It would have been a better send-off he if raised his X-Wing out of water, flew to Crait, and crashed it in front of the approaching AT-ATs. He could have destroyed some of them with his lightsaber, used his force powers, had an epic battle and his distraction would have let the Resistance gotten away just before he was killed in battle. Tales of Luke Skywalker, the last Jedi, sacrificing himself, would have re-sparked the resistance and upon hearing about Luke's death, all of the allies of the Resistance would come in full support. Damn- I should have wrote this movie.

The milk scene was stupid and it was pointless- I consider myself a Star Wars fanboy, but that dumb scene seemed like something from the prequels.

Also, your Rotten Tomatoes comment makes no god damn sense. In 2015 Disney also made "The Force Awakens", which like The Last Jedi, also received critical acclaim. Currently its Rotten Tomato's user score sits at a 88% out of over 220k reviews making it the 4th most liked Star Wars film since the original trilogy. On the other hand, the Last Jedi currently sits at a 56% audience score out of over 112K reviews, giving it the lowest audience score out of any Star Wars movie ever made (even worse than the prequels). How the **** is that hating on Disney?

Sorry but the chase scene was shit, it made the resistance and first order look like the galaxies biggest dumb asses. First off there should be no 18 hour chase scene (going by movie time or the time they were in a chase), the first order could have

1. launched tie fighters which could have easily dispatched the 1 med ship, 1 flag ship and 2 cruisers (you had a good 6 star destroyers and 1 dreadnaught with hundreds of fighters), the tie fighters could have easily caught up with the ships.

2. If there was only a way of warping closer or in front of the resistance fleet.....oh wait there is

3. Call in other star destroyers to cut off the resistance fleet which has been done in numerous star wars films and the clone wars tv show

The whole chase scene was a big waste of piss poor writing and directing by Rian, which I refuse to watch the new trilogy with him directing it. Rian claims to be a big star wars fan and seeing how he directed EP8....***** that shit I'm not seeing anything else he directs. Unless Disney pulls their heads out of their asses and let Gareth Edwards direct the new trilogy, the star wars movies are dead to me.

After seeing it a second time, the movie became worse. We just got the worst plot out of all the Star Wars movies.... fantastic.

I would actually like that as Luke's part in TLJ. Everyone was looking forward to seeing the return of one of the most iconic SW characters and I can't help but feel his contribution to the film let me down. He spent most of the movie wandering around the island being all depressed and in denial, didn't offer any real training to Rey (which apparently she doesn't need for some reason) like Yoda did for him and in the end just sacrificed himself via an illusion to stall Kylo Ren.

@Ballroompirate: everything you just said is wrong.

"everything you said is wrong", then you prove zero credibility on proving me wrong, you must be really stupid or a butthurt Last Jedi fan girl, I'm gonna have to say both.

@Ballroompirate: it's definitely both.

Not to mention, there was really no point to the "attempted escape" the way the resistance did. They went ahead for hours while they should've had their emergency transports ready to go to begin with (that's why the word "EMERGENCY" is in there) and there was really no point for admiral pink hair to keep their escape a secret to half the crew, also the First Order should've suspected an escape using cloaking devices to begin with. Just everything about that sequence was poorly thought out and executed even worse and made everyone look like incompetent fools.

I am writing a full length review- when I finish I will post it. I feel like this entire movie was just a jumbled mess.

So basically you wanted the same results just done in a slightly different way?

Meh, its no big deal for me. Im okay with a broken Luke, ive been reading about ultra-mega-jedi luke for 20+ years before Disney erased the old EU.

They changed who Luke was just for the sake of this movie which is one of my biggest issues that I have with the film. So you are telling me that Luke Skywalker tried to kill his only nephew? The son of his best friend and twin sister? Did Rian Johnson even watch Return of the Jedi? Luke goes straight to the enemy to see Darth Vader who at the time, is the second most evil person in the galaxy. Darth Vader not only killed Jedi younglings, but he also played a huge role in searching out and destroying rogue Jedi after Order 66. He also killed Obi-Wan Kenobi in front of Luke. Why does Luke go to Vader? Because he thinks there is still good in him. So you are telling me he tries (or thinks about) killing his nephew just because he senses the Darkside growing in him? Sorry, but that isn't Luke. If you think that is Luke than you aren't familiar with the original trilogy or his character in general. Furthermore, Luke did not get the send-off that he deserved and it was all extremely lack luster.

The plot of TLJ was also terrible (arguably worse than some of the prequel films) and it literally doesn't add much to the Star Wars universe. After almost 3 hours, we learned that Rey and Kylo Ren have a force connection that was established by Snoke. We learned that the First Order is terrible at hunting down Resistance ships. We learn that a Master Jedi can die by astral projecting himself. We learned that an untrained force user can fly in space and protect herself in a bubble. We learned that Rey, an untrained combatant and an untrained force user can go toe to toe with Praetorian guards and Kylo Ren, a trained duelist and Jedi. But how does this add to the overall Star Wars universe? Well, it doesn't add much. I went into the movie with a lot of questions and I left the movie with even more questions. We can blame that on the shitty directing and the god-awlful writing.

Don't know if you watch the Angry Joe Show, but they all highly disliked this movie and they brought up a good point. There were so many plot holes and there were so many changes to old characters and the characters of TFA that it made the film rough. Where were the lore masters that were suppose to guide Disney and Rian Johnson on the correct path? It literally seemed like Johnson never even watched a Star Wars movie, but instead he read all of the plot points of every movie from some white board. This is not the Star Wars film that us fans wanted. The last time I cringed this much in a Star Wars movie was when I was listening to the abysmal dialogue in Revenge of the Sith between Padme and Anakin.

But they didnt did they? And we know this because we just don't know enough about Luke post-ROTJ to say this. If i was going by the old EU, i'd absolutely agree, but it no longer exists. As far as we can tell, this makes perfect sense with Lukes history that we don't yet know. Luke was 23 in ROTJ, 53 in TFA, that's a big gap of not knowing what has happened to this person.

Im pretty sure he did this in the old EU too. And then when he decided against it because he felt it would have taken him to a dark place because it would have been more about revenge for Jacen killing his wife Mara Jade, he instructed Jacens twin sister, his niece, to kill him. I know you're going to say that "but thats the old eu", but its the Luke you're looking for who was still conflicted about this stuff.

Maybe because as a youngster you don't you think about the things the way you do as an older person? As a younger person you don't consider consequences as much for yourself and other people? Maybe because of your experience as an older person, you're willing to consider things that you once would never consider... this is kind of basic human aging here. It goes all over the place.

They didn't change Luke at all man. he said it was a split second of weakness caused by fear and he immediately regretted it. Luke going to vader because he sensed good in him could also go to show that he sensed no good in Ben which led him to act irrationally for a split second. Also, it is unclear if Luke died or if he decided to move on himself. I'm not sure what better send off they could have given him than the one they did. The man showed up somewhere far away as a force ghost (something we have never seen done) to single-handedly save the resistance.

Again it isn't clear if he died or if he decided to just move on himself. We don't know that Leia is untrained at all. It was quite obvious from the first movie that Rey was pretty proficient at hand to hand combat before all these events took place (the lack of force training is still BS though).

You are right, this isn't the film that star wars fans wanted it seems, but that's one of the reasons I like it, it was different for once. Star Wars is a great series but very often it is way too predictable. Keep in mind that I don't think this movie was amazing by any means, I give it a 7/10 at best, but its not the end of the world like all these fans are trying to claim.

I'm not talking about the EU- I could care less what happened in the EU. Again, you can defend the changes that were made to Luke are you want, but this wasn't the Luke that fans wanted. Luke was a beloved character because he always put his friends before himself. When they were on the Deathstar in a New Hope, after he found out that Leia was going to be executed he wanted to rescue her and he even manipulated Han to help by stating that she was "rich". He literally went out of his way to save her. Despite Yoda's warnings in Empire Strikes Back, he did not complete his training so that he could rescue his friends at Cloud City. He did something very similar in Return of the Jedi when he rescued Han. That is just who Luke is. So with the First Order taking over the galaxy and with Kylo Ren getting stronger, Luke just suddenly doesn't care? I'm sorry, but you are wrong. That is the exact opposite of how Luke was in the original trilogy and in the new cannon comics. The new Luke subplot wasn't believable and it didn't work.

Rey proficient in hand-to-hand combat? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, but that is hilarious. The way she used her polearm in TFA was sloppy- she was using it like someone who was untrained. When she first gets a hold of a lightsaber in TFA, her swings are wild, unpredictable and careless. She was able to beat a trained Jedi in a lightsaber duel? Really? She then receives no training in TLJ, but all of a sudden she is swinging her lightsaber like a pro and she is able to take out highly trained Praetorian guards? After the TLJ, it made me severely dislike all of the new characters except for Kylo who is probably now the most interesting character in the new trilogy.

Right, so lets clarify this.

I dont care if Luke is the Luke fans wanted. If the Luke given to us is a complex and interesting character, that is good enough. And so far, there is absolutely nothing for anyone to suggest this is not the case. You, for some reason, want Luke a year after ROTJ. This Luke is one who has 30 years of getting his ass kicked... if you cant apply this to a character, why are you trying to evaluate characters?

Right?

I mean, its almost as absurd as Luke beating down Vader after a week of semi-jedi training.

We could go super SW nerdy and mention that Yoda told Luke, after extremely little training, that he already had what he needed to defeat vader. That it was an inner peace and connection with the force kinda thing. Which is pretty much what Luke went with when training Rey.

Thirty years of getting his ass kicked? What the **** are you even talking about at this point? Luke should have been more of an Obi-Wan character, but arguably more powerful. Glad you liked the film, but many of us "fans" did not.

You're trying to create a character that would not exist.

This is not the old EU, in this universe the empire never really died, it simply changed hands. The rebels/resistance never took political control. Lukes one attempt at retraining jedi, completely failed and once again sent another skywalker down the path of the dark side.... of course lets not forget he had his entire jedi belief system torn apart with the revelations from his studies of jedi history.... in what world do you not see a character fundamentally changing because of this? You want to suggest he would still be the bright eyed bushy tail 19 year old in SW4... but there is nothing to suggest this would be the case.

Again, I feel like you are mixing up facts. The Empire did die, but not after the Emperor's death or after the destruction of the second Deathstar. The remnants of the Imperial forces were destroyed by the Rebel Alliance at the Battle of Jakku. The Rebels did take control and the New Republic was formed. I am not sure why they didn't make Coruscant the capital of the galaxy this time around, but in TFA, the First Order destroyed the New Republic capital worlds along with most if not all of its fleet (which honestly was a little dumb because you would think the New Republic was spread across hundreds of systems similar to the Old Republic). Also, the Resistance is not the Rebel Alliance, they are two different groups, but a lot of people who were formerly part of the Rebel Alliance joined the Resistance. For almost 30 years there was actually peace in the galaxy except for the whole Kylo Ren vs Luke thing. After Luke failed to restore the Jedi order, he went into exile, but he made a map and in TFA, it was highly suggested that Luke made the map so when he was needed, people can use the map to find him so that Luke could offer his help. Well, that was suppose to be the story, but TLJ fucked everything up. Rian Johnson literally got the perfect pitch from JJ and he should have knocked it out of the park, but instead he struck out.

The empire simply shifted to the new order. The rebels pretty much maintained their support from planets who had always supported them, but they never implemented a democracy or republic. It was still a constant battle. And you clearly have not read any of the canon in between ROTJ and TFA as nothing suggests things were peaceful.

And you have? It doesn't seem like it. A New Republic was established with a full fledged democracy. Also, sure, there were some remnants from the Galactic Empire that joined the First Order, but the First Order is not the Galactic Empire, more like the Galactic Empire reborn similar how the Rebellion isn't the Resistance.

"The New Republic (NR), also referred to as the Republic, was the galactic, democratic government formed from the ashes of conflict during the waning yearsof the Galactic Civil War, absorbing the political and military leadership of the former Alliance to Restore the Republic after the Battle of Endor in 4 ABY. The New Republic followed in the footsteps of the Galactic Republic—commonly known as the "Old Republic" during the Age of the Empire—restoring the Galactic Senate and fighting the shattered forces of the Galactic Empire. Unlike its predecessor, the New Republic's capital was not based on Coruscant. After a brief stint on Chandrila, the seat of government shifted among a variety of member worlds on a rotating basis, chosen through democratic election.

Following the end of the war with the signing of the Galactic Concordance in 5 ABY, the Republic hastily passed the Military Disarmament Act seeking to prevent a repeat of galactic history; and instead focused on strengthening the forces of local planetary governments and reconstruction efforts to worlds ravaged by the conflict. A fraction of the size of the former Galactic Republic and Empire, the New Republic remained on friendly terms with a majority of galactic systems owing to the egalitarian processes that it embodied into its political message. Briefly inhabiting a wing of New Republic politics, the First Order would eventually secede from the greater body once tensions reached a breaking point. While many applauded the motion, others realized that without Republic oversight, the First Order would return to the draconian ways of its predecessor.

With a galactic hunger for peace, many senators—some receiving large sums of credits from their First Order beneficiaries—dismissed notions that the First Order posed a threat to the Republic, believing that reports of its strength were exaggerated by the 'warmonger' Leia Organa and her Resistance. The New Republic was thus utterly unprepared when the cold war turned hot in 34 ABY, and the First Order finally revealed its true intentions with a lethal surprise attack that resulted in the destruction of the Republic capital in the Hosnian system. Leaderless and with no appreciable defenses against a burgeoning foe, the New Republic stood on the brink of disaster."

There was a period of 30 years without war...

@mighty-lu-bu: dude that x wing was in that water for decades. It’s not going to fly. And he's send off with doing a force ability no one has seen before from across the galexy. Also, he is no more dead then yoda.

LOL good one, you're only piss poor comeback is you havent seen the movie? ok shit stain

Lets go down the list (random events in the movie)

• Roses loses her sister during the bombing run on the dreadnaught cause of poes gun hoe attitude which got ALL the bombers destroyed except a few x-wings and a-wings
• Roses necklace is the other half of her sisters necklace, which later on DJ (which they give to him for a early payment) uses it to hack the door controls
• Luke uses his form v during the "stand" with kylo, aka the same one he had during Return of the Jedi
• Luke doesnt leave foot prints during the duel
• Rey has lukes blue lightsaber after its "destroyed" by her and kylos tug of war
• While Finn is going through a container to get Rose a blanket you see the old jedi books that were believed to be destroyed by a certain someone
• The last praetorian guard is killed by rey throwing her lightsaber to kylo whom does an awesome "ignite" to the praetorian guards face
• 1 ice crystal fox leads the resistance out of the cave which is blocked by rocks (rey moves them later on)
• Kylo kills snoke by aiming his lightsaber at rey so snoke couldn't see he was actually moving the other lightsaber next to him to kill snoke and his "one true enemy" was actually snoke
• kylo picks up the golden dice luke gives to leia but it vanishes
• DJ shows finn and rose those "people" they hate on the casino planet are arms dealers not only to the first order but to the resistance as well

I could go on all day but ***** slapping you to the maximum is worth it already

/drop mic

Star Wars brings out strong emotions in people.

Yes, i own and have read every single novel, comic, and even most of the short "journey to blah blah blah" stories from the old EU and the new.

Notice that nice gap of information from 5aby to 34aby with the beginning paragraph addressing the 34aby "With a galactic hunger for peace".. A 30 year period of government switching hands, assassinations, military operations, exactly why would you try to describe this as peaceful? Nothing in the canon suggests this is a peaceful time for the galaxy and definitely not for Luke Skywalker.

@Ballroompirate: you’re so informed!! You can read spoilers and movie summaries!!!

If you’ve seen the movie then you’re the dumbest 14 year old that ever walked the earth because Star Wars is too intellectually superior to you.

Maybe you should stick to Smurf’s 2: a tale of 2 villages. It’s more your maturity level.

Yea sure cause movie summaries contain the shit I said LOOOOOOL ok dumbass, you are just grasping for straws its sad and pathetic here's something for you kid

I didnt like it

Total mess of a film. But my main complaints are;

Where the hell are the Knights of Ren? We know they were at the jedi school causing trouble, we know they exist, but where the hell are they?

When did Mary Poppins sign up to the resistance? I missed that bit of canon.

Why o why were the really cool AT's dragged out of the shed and not used? Was it to sell Lego, was that the only reason?

They should pay Gareth Edwards anything he wants and give him the next five movies, its the only way to correct this mess.

it's serious business

I assumed it was the guys with Snoke.

Shame on you Haters,you should be ashamed of yourself for hating on TLJ?

^ correct

The Last Jedi was a strange movie experience for me.

I enjoyed it immensely while I watched it, I was on the edge of my seat. The finale and Luke's send-off was incredible. It presented some of the most iconic moments in the saga. Then my thoughts following the movie were extremely mixed. The movie was too long, it tried to include so much when the audience really only cared about Rey, Kylo and Luke. For every good scene, I recognized there was a bad subplot or a misused character. Given further reflection, my opinions have solidified and I agree with most of what OP mentioned, each pro and con.

But ultimately, I think the film is very good. I'm not sure where it will rank in the Star Wars pantheon but I think it will age well and will become better over time. I thought its high points carried so much impact that they outweigh the middling subplots, the forced humor, and the decision to wreck Luke, Leia, Han's happily-ever-after we all imagined for them. The good parts are more important than the bad. And you have to respect Rian Johnson's ambitions in making the film the way he did.

Its a shitty film and most fans are in the majority with us in the hate if you look at the data from Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. People that liked it either aren't really familiar with the Star Wars saga or they were like 5.