Is/Was/Would Earth be Heaven?

So,was Earth,ever some kind of "heaven"?

I.e. bfr we polluted it.

Interesting proposition. Also why do we think the after life involves an spiritual dimension? This may be hell for all we know and we could be preparing for the "real life" as more advanced beings - I mean, think about it, we're pretty **** limited mind and ability wise.

I just went on a little journey there but I like to talk about possibiities like those. I don't know what else to say really.

Is/was/would there be a way to make people stop making these fvcking stupid religion threads?Kevlar101

Good job Kevlar,you can apparently read ppl's minds!

>_>

Damnit man,i hate religions!

I never said ANYTHING about religions.

Don't just assume!

There's no such thing.

It's really Candyland.

Heaven is cultural construct and doesn't exist.

Heaven doesn't exist.

Blue-Sky

No.

If we define heaven as painless and harmonious and perpetually happiness and figure if Earth was ever this way? Whatever man, tell it to the dinosaurs.

Kevlar

Is/was/would there be a way to make people stop making these fvcking stupid religion threads?Kevlar101

what are you doing?

Kevlar

you cannot prove that, so why are you saying "It does not exist" as if you know if for a fact? You dont know it for a fact. I am an Agnostic-Atheist, that means that I dont personally believe in god but I accept that idea that a god might exist because the existence of Heaven or a god cannot be proven nor disproven.Kevlar101

Stahp!!

Kevlar

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"]Is/was/would there be a way to make people stop making these fvcking stupid religion threads?konvikt_17

what are you doing?

Kevlar

you cannot prove that, so why are you saying "It does not exist" as if you know if for a fact? You dont know it for a fact. I am an Agnostic-Atheist, that means that I dont personally believe in god but I accept that idea that a god might exist because the existence of Heaven or a god cannot be proven nor disproven.Kevlar101

Stahp!!

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

Kevlar

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"]

what are you doing?

Kevlar

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] you cannot prove that, so why are you saying "It does not exist" as if you know if for a fact? You dont know it for a fact. I am an Agnostic-Atheist, that means that I dont personally believe in god but I accept that idea that a god might exist because the existence of Heaven or a god cannot be proven nor disproven.wis3boi

Stahp!!

Interesting proposition. Also why do we think the after life involves an spiritual dimension? This may be hell for all we know and we could be preparing for the "real life" as more advanced beings - I mean, think about it, we're pretty **** limited mind and ability wise.

I just went on a little journey there but I like to talk about possibiities like those. I don't know what else to say really.

undergroundLPx

On a side note:

I don't get how people view Heaven as a place of eternal bliss. Pain and suffering is required to be able to know joy and happiness. They're separate sides of the same coin and are integral pieces of one another.

Besides, being in eternal bliss all the time strikes me as incredibly boring.

Ever heard of the Garden of Eden? Many within Christianity put such a distinguishment between earth and heaven that they think of eternal life as being an ethereal existence in an unimaginable place. However, I am very much of the conviction that the good news of Christianity is less about going to heaven but is more about the restoration of this earth. What should have been in the Garden of Eden will be true of all of the earth after the return of Jesus Christ.mindstorm

Wouldn't the return of jesus result in religious wars across the globe?

On a side note:

I don't get how people view Heaven as a place of eternal bliss. Pain and suffering is required to be able to know joy and happiness. They're separate sides of the same coin and are integral pieces of one another.

Besides, being in eternal bliss all the time strikes me as incredibly boring.

MirkoS77

In christianity they used to believe in the Garden of Eden. A place much like heaven that was here on Earth. So in that sense, the belief is Heaven used to be on Earth in some form.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

On a side note:

I don't get how people view Heaven as a place of eternal bliss. Pain and suffering is required to be able to know joy and happiness. They're separate sides of the same coin and are integral pieces of one another.

Besides, being in eternal bliss all the time strikes me as incredibly boring.

l4dak47

I think of it like boredom wouldn't exist. Laws of reality change and all we would ever feel for eternity is positive emotion. An ultimate reward.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Heaven doesn't exist.

Kevlar101

Facts are things that proven.

The idea of heaven is so loosely coined, so, no.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Ever heard of the Garden of Eden? Many within Christianity put such a distinguishment between earth and heaven that they think of eternal life as being an ethereal existence in an unimaginable place. However, I am very much of the conviction that the good news of Christianity is less about going to heaven but is more about the restoration of this earth. What should have been in the Garden of Eden will be true of all of the earth after the return of Jesus Christ.tenaka2

Wouldn't the return of jesus result in religious wars across the globe?

I can't imagine the death toll

Earth is hell. Mars is Utopia. And Jupiter is heaven.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Heaven doesn't exist.

Kevlar101

Earth is light years closer to being a hell rather than heaven. There's magma underneath us all the time! :o

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Ever heard of the Garden of Eden? Many within Christianity put such a distinguishment between earth and heaven that they think of eternal life as being an ethereal existence in an unimaginable place. However, I am very much of the conviction that the good news of Christianity is less about going to heaven but is more about the restoration of this earth. What should have been in the Garden of Eden will be true of all of the earth after the return of Jesus Christ.tenaka2

Wouldn't the return of jesus result in religious wars across the globe?

Earth will never be Heaven because humans are greedy and will do everything in their power to make life a living Hell for each other. In fact Earth as it is now is as close to Hell as it gets.

Earth will never be Heaven because humans are greedy and will do everything in their power to make life a living Hell for each other. In fact Earth as it is now is as close to Hell as it gets.

pariah3

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Ever heard of the Garden of Eden? Many within Christianity put such a distinguishment between earth and heaven that they think of eternal life as being an ethereal existence in an unimaginable place. However, I am very much of the conviction that the good news of Christianity is less about going to heaven but is more about the restoration of this earth. What should have been in the Garden of Eden will be true of all of the earth after the return of Jesus Christ.mindstorm

Wouldn't the return of jesus result in religious wars across the globe?

And what about the large population of earth that are not christian?

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Wouldn't the return of jesus result in religious wars across the globe?

tenaka2

And what about the large population of earth that are not christian?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] It wouldn't be a war in the traditional sense. "From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty" (Rev. 19:15). I will say that this is not a pretty picture. However, out of the destruction God will create a new heavens and a new earth, one where there will be no more pain, no more sadness, and no more tears, only love for one another. It's an interesting concept but very often God's salvation is brought about through a form of judgment.mindstorm

And what about the large population of earth that are not christian?

Evangelism is currently responsible for the 'kill the gays' act in uganda. I'm not so sure I'd like to live in that world.

Fact remains that most of the world will perish if your dreams come true, i'd hope for the worlds sake they do not.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

And what about the large population of earth that are not christian?

tenaka2

Evangelism is currently responsible for the 'kill the gays' act in uganda. I'm not so sure I'd like to live in that world.

Fact remains that most of the world will perish if your dreams come true, i'd hope for the worlds sake they do not.

Such is the case when people do not analyze the costs of pushing their belief systems on people around the world.

Giving 3rd world countries Christianity doesn't help them. Prayer doesn't help them Giving them food, water, education, and power will. I'm not the type who will hold those basic needs ransom in the name of Jesus.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

On a side note:

I don't get how people view Heaven as a place of eternal bliss. Pain and suffering is required to be able to know joy and happiness. They're separate sides of the same coin and are integral pieces of one another.

Besides, being in eternal bliss all the time strikes me as incredibly boring.

l4dak47

How's it not true? How can you have light without darkness? And any constant would get exceptionally boring, especially for eternity...

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

On a side note:

I don't get how people view Heaven as a place of eternal bliss. Pain and suffering is required to be able to know joy and happiness. They're separate sides of the same coin and are integral pieces of one another.

Besides, being in eternal bliss all the time strikes me as incredibly boring.

MirkoS77

How's it not true? How can you have light without darkness? And any constant would get exceptionally boring, especially for eternity...

Not at all. Pain is pain. Pleasure is pleasure. You do not need one to have the existence of the other. If you're sincerely curious, you might want to check this out since this guy does a much better job of explaining it than me. http://hedweb.com/hedethic/hedonist.html4dak47

A nice link and a good read. Can't say I agree though. Perhaps they can exist independently but man.....still, what an ultimate bore.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Not at all. Pain is pain. Pleasure is pleasure. You do not need one to have the existence of the other. If you're sincerely curious, you might want to check this out since this guy does a much better job of explaining it than me. http://hedweb.com/hedethic/hedonist.htmMirkoS77

A nice link and a good read. Can't say I agree though. Perhaps they can exist independently but man.....still, what an ultimate bore.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Not at all. Pain is pain. Pleasure is pleasure. You do not need one to have the existence of the other. If you're sincerely curious, you might want to check this out since this guy does a much better job of explaining it than me. http://hedweb.com/hedethic/hedonist.htmMirkoS77

A nice link and a good read. Can't say I agree though. Perhaps they can exist independently but man.....still, what an ultimate bore.

Let me ask you this.........

Say you've lived your entire life sheltered,in a huge magical place with lots of green,mountains,rivers,with a bunch of other ppl,never really doing anything other than eating,f*cking,sleeping,talking,having fun and loving each other..supplies are provided magically,and there's a barrier to make both sides(outside & inside)oblivious to each other.

One day,you somehow learn the ENTIRE truth about the world.

Can you honestly say that you'd be FULLY willing to come to a world of pain?

The answer is obvious,i believe.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Not at all. Pain is pain. Pleasure is pleasure. You do not need one to have the existence of the other. If you're sincerely curious, you might want to check this out since this guy does a much better job of explaining it than me. http://hedweb.com/hedethic/hedonist.htmGreekGameManiac

A nice link and a good read. Can't say I agree though. Perhaps they can exist independently but man.....still, what an ultimate bore.

Let me ask you this.........

Say you've lived your entire life sheltered,in a huge magical place with lots of green,mountains,rivers,with a bunch of other ppl,never really doing anything other than eating,f*cking,sleeping,talking,having fun and loving each other..supplies are provided magically,and there's a barrier to make both sides(outside & inside)oblivious to each other.

One day,you somehow learn the ENTIRE truth about the world.

Can you honestly say that you'd be FULLY willing to come to a world of pain?

The answer is obvious,i believe.

Well I could tell you this much: I'd be much better equipped to appreciate what I was enjoying far more having learned about what the opposite entails. So yes, I'd be absolutely willing, because your scenario is not as grand as you proclaim without something to contrast it against. I had cancer years back. There was tremendous suffering with chemo, radiation, etc. for years. Was I happy to have my health before I lost it? Sure. Am I happier now to have it back after going through immense pain than I ever could be if I hadn't? I think the answer IS obvious. MirkoS77

I'm not too sure i'd do that.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]Well I could tell you this much: I'd be much better equipped to appreciate what I was enjoying far more having learned about what the opposite entails. So yes, I'd be absolutely willing, because your scenario is not as grand as you proclaim without something to contrast it against. I had cancer years back. There was tremendous suffering with chemo, radiation, etc. for years. Was I happy to have my health before I lost it? Sure. Am I happier now to have it back after going through immense pain than I ever could be if I hadn't? I think the answer IS obvious. GreekGameManiac

I'm not too sure i'd do that.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say I desire to be in pain and suffer but I do think it's something that everyone must be intimately familiar with to truly understand gratefullness and happiness to its fullest potential. That's all.