I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her.
I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. ferrari2001
No? They talk about her so often they might aswell worship her.
I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. ferrari2001
Catholics kneel before Mary's statues and saying rosary
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. jackfruitchips
Catholics kneel before Mary's statues and saying rosary If you listen to the prayers of the rosary they involve asking Mary to pray WITH you to God as you meditate on parts of Christ's life. Catholic's believe that those who have gone before us are still able to pray for us, so as we pray we ask them to pray with us. We also believe that Mary offers the perfect example of how to live a life in love of God, she was his mother after all, so we venerate her, which is a lot different from worship.
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. Mike-uk
No? They talk about her so often they might aswell worship her. Yes they name a lot of churches after her, they say paryers to her, they have hymns to praise her, they worship her on Saturdays (Sndays are for God and Jesus, they even have 1 month each year (May) to worship her ...
[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. ferrari2001
Catholics kneel before Mary's statues and saying rosary If you listen to the prayers of the rosary they involve asking Mary to pray WITH you to God as you meditate on parts of Christ's life. Catholic's believe that those who have gone before us are still able to pray for us, so as we pray we ask them to pray with us. We also believe that Mary offers the perfect example of how to live a life in love of God, she was his mother after all, so we venerate her, which is a lot different from worship. What's the difference between worship and veneration ?
[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="jackfruitchips"] Catholics kneel before Mary's statues and saying rosary If you listen to the prayers of the rosary they involve asking Mary to pray WITH you to God as you meditate on parts of Christ's life. Catholic's believe that those who have gone before us are still able to pray for us, so as we pray we ask them to pray with us. We also believe that Mary offers the perfect example of how to live a life in love of God, she was his mother after all, so we venerate her, which is a lot different from worship. What's the difference between worship and veneration ? Veneration is holding someone in high regard because of the life they lived. It's kind of like how amateur athletes will look up to a pro athlete to model their career after. Unlike the athlete we are modeling our spiritual life after some individual we feel lived a life worthy of heaven since that to is our goal.
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. Mike-uk
No? They talk about her so often they might aswell worship her. no.
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="jackfruitchips"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] If you listen to the prayers of the rosary they involve asking Mary to pray WITH you to God as you meditate on parts of Christ's life. Catholic's believe that those who have gone before us are still able to pray for us, so as we pray we ask them to pray with us. We also believe that Mary offers the perfect example of how to live a life in love of God, she was his mother after all, so we venerate her, which is a lot different from worship. What's the difference between worship and veneration ? Veneration is holding someone in high regard because of the life they lived. It's kind of like how amateur athletes will look up to a pro athlete to model their career after. Unlike the athlete we are modeling our spiritual life after some individual we feel lived a life worthy of heaven since that to is our goal. and worship ? to me, looks like Catholics worship both Jesus and Mary. I don't see the difference.
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="jackfruitchips"] What's the difference between worship and veneration ?jackfruitchips
Veneration is holding someone in high regard because of the life they lived. It's kind of like how amateur athletes will look up to a pro athlete to model their career after. Unlike the athlete we are modeling our spiritual life after some individual we feel lived a life worthy of heaven since that to is our goal. and worship ? to me, looks like Catholics worship both Jesus and Mary. I don't see the difference. Worship is homage that is rightly offered to God alone, to His person as a diety. We worship Him as a person, not what he has done. You worship a deity simply for being a diety. Veneration is more directed towards a person's action. In the case of Mary and the saints we acknowledge their accomplishments of achieving eternal life, and we model our lives after that so we to can accomplish that goal.
edit: example: We don't honor Mary for simply being Mary. We honor her becuase of what she has done, was God's Mother, raised Christ, suffered with Christ, and led a life of love for Christ. If she had done none of that we would have no reason to honor her.
I have never met a Catholic who claimed to worship Mary. That stated, I am under the belief that she is esteemed greater than she probably should be (especially when people argue that she was completely sinless). However, as a Protestant I will also make note that we Protestants seem to esteem her far too little. She was a Godly woman who, like us, needed a savior. Catholics make note of the first part, Protestants make note of the second.
I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. ferrari2001
This^
It's a fairly basic teaching and most people should know this with a simple google search
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. jackfruitchips
Catholics kneel before Mary's statues and saying rosary I believe they also pray to her.
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="jackfruitchips"] Catholics kneel before Mary's statues and saying rosaryjackfruitchips
If you listen to the prayers of the rosary they involve asking Mary to pray WITH you to God as you meditate on parts of Christ's life. Catholic's believe that those who have gone before us are still able to pray for us, so as we pray we ask them to pray with us. We also believe that Mary offers the perfect example of how to live a life in love of God, she was his mother after all, so we venerate her, which is a lot different from worship. What's the difference between worship and veneration ? Worship is reserved for God alone, veneration is honoring a creature.
Would you consider saluting the flag or making statues of the U.S. presidents to be worshiping the flag or the president? That is a form of honor/veneration, not worship.
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. jackfruitchips
Catholics kneel before Mary's statues and saying rosary What are the words in a Rosary?
[QUOTE="Mike-uk"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. jackfruitchips
No? They talk about her so often they might aswell worship her. Yes they name a lot of churches after her, they say paryers to her, they have hymns to praise her, they worship her on Saturdays (Sndays are for God and Jesus, they even have 1 month each year (May) to worship her ... Please educate yourself before spouting this. We do not worship her or pray to her. Never. And there is Holy Mass on Saturday's too (evening).
[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. The-Apostle
Catholics kneel before Mary's statues and saying rosary I believe they also pray to her. No we do not...
[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"][QUOTE="Mike-uk"] No? They talk about her so often they might aswell worship her. Chutebox
Yes they name a lot of churches after her, they say paryers to her, they have hymns to praise her, they worship her on Saturdays (Sndays are for God and Jesus, they even have 1 month each year (May) to worship her ... Please educate yourself before spouting this. We do not worship her or pray to her. Never. And there is Holy Mass on Saturday's too (evening). I think there is Mass on weekdays as well and pretty much everyday except for Good Friday and Holy Saturday.
[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="jackfruitchips"] Yes they name a lot of churches after her, they say paryers to her, they have hymns to praise her, they worship her on Saturdays (Sndays are for God and Jesus, they even have 1 month each year (May) to worship her ... whipassmt
Please educate yourself before spouting this. We do not worship her or pray to her. Never. And there is Holy Mass on Saturday's too (evening). I think there is Mass on weekdays as well and pretty much everyday except for Good Friday and Holy Saturday. Yes. They are not holy days of obligation, but there is mass every day.
[QUOTE="Mike-uk"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. jackfruitchips
No? They talk about her so often they might aswell worship her. Yes they name a lot of churches after her, they say paryers to her, they have hymns to praise her, they worship her on Saturdays (Sndays are for God and Jesus, they even have 1 month each year (May) to worship her ... Not even close. Why not educate yourself rather than spouting nonsense?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jackfruitchips"][QUOTE="Mike-uk"] No? They talk about her so often they might aswell worship her. Yes they name a lot of churches after her, they say paryers to her, they have hymns to praise her, they worship her on Saturdays (Sndays are for God and Jesus, they even have 1 month each year (May) to worship her ... Not even close. Why not educate yourself rather than spouting nonsense? He's not really too far off. Rosary prayers "Hail Mary" for instance. I don't see how you could say that there isn't a notable number of churches that reference Mary somehow in their name. The Saturday thing I can't really comment on, I've never heard of that before honestly but Catholic isn't a very common denomination around here. May is actually named after a Greek Goddess and again I've never heard this claimed before.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jackfruitchips"] Yes they name a lot of churches after her, they say paryers to her, they have hymns to praise her, they worship her on Saturdays (Sndays are for God and Jesus, they even have 1 month each year (May) to worship her ... Ace6301
Not even close. Why not educate yourself rather than spouting nonsense? He's not really too far off. Rosary prayers "Hail Mary" for instance. I don't see how you could say that there isn't a notable number of churches that reference Mary somehow in their name. The Saturday thing I can't really comment on, I've never heard of that before honestly but Catholic isn't a very common denomination around here. May is actually named after a Greek Goddess and again I've never heard of this before.You mean the prayer where she's asked to pray for people? Mass is always celebrated for the same reason. They aren't celebrated to Mary. Ever.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jackfruitchips"] Yes they name a lot of churches after her, they say paryers to her, they have hymns to praise her, they worship her on Saturdays (Sndays are for God and Jesus, they even have 1 month each year (May) to worship her ... Ace6301
Not even close. Why not educate yourself rather than spouting nonsense? He's not really too far off. Rosary prayers "Hail Mary" for instance. I don't see how you could say that there isn't a notable number of churches that reference Mary somehow in their name. The Saturday thing I can't really comment on, I've never heard of that before honestly but Catholic isn't a very common denomination around here. May is actually named after a Greek Goddess and again I've never heard this claimed before.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not even close. Why not educate yourself rather than spouting nonsense?GummiRaccoon
He's not really too far off. Rosary prayers "Hail Mary" for instance. I don't see how you could say that there isn't a notable number of churches that reference Mary somehow in their name. The Saturday thing I can't really comment on, I've never heard of that before honestly but Catholic isn't a very common denomination around here. May is actually named after a Greek Goddess and again I've never heard this claimed before.
When you hail a cab are you worshipping it?
They are calling to mary
Maybe it's just me but: "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen." Sounds a bit more worshipy than "Taxi!"
[QUOTE="Ace6301"] He's not really too far off. Rosary prayers "Hail Mary" for instance. I don't see how you could say that there isn't a notable number of churches that reference Mary somehow in their name. The Saturday thing I can't really comment on, I've never heard of that before honestly but Catholic isn't a very common denomination around here. May is actually named after a Greek Goddess and again I've never heard this claimed before.Ace6301
When you hail a cab are you worshipping it?
They are calling to mary
Maybe it's just me but: "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen." Sounds a bit more worshipy than "Taxi!"
Dear Mary, full of kindness, God is with you, you have been blessed amongst women, you gave birth to god. Mary Mother of god, do us a favor and tell jesus personally how we didn't mean it until we die.
Dear Mary, full of kindness, God is with you, you have been blessed amongst women, you gave birth to god. Mary Mother of god, do us a favor and tell jesus personally how we didn't mean it until we die.
GummiRaccoon
Are you sure you read the post I was responding to and my response to it? Really seems like you didn't. [QUOTE="Fightingfan"] So is Thursday not named after the superhero :( Thorsday and Wodensday bro. So yeah sure why not.
Dear Mary, full of kindness, God is with you, you have been blessed amongst women, you gave birth to god. Mary Mother of god, do us a favor and tell jesus personally how we didn't mean it until we die.
Ace6301
Are you sure you read the post I was responding to and my response to it? Really seems like you didn't.
So is Thursday not named after the superhero :(Fightingfan
Thorsday and Wodensday bro. So yeah sure why not.
They are using fluttery speech to ask mary for a favor.
They are using fluttery speech to ask mary for a favor.
GummiRaccoon
I said he's not too far off, but noted he wasn't correct. Also given the way Catholics believe saints and martyrs work asking them for a favor is essentially a prayer. Look up intercession. Not to mention Prayer is in effect asking something for a favour.
I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. ferrari2001
There is a fine line between worship and reverence... and most non-philosophers don't know the difference. In my opinion, intercessory prayer would qualify as a form of worship. It acknowledges her as an extant, divine being powerful enough to influence God. She would also qualify as a consort to God.
I relish Atheists and fundamentalists calling veneration of Mary a form of worship, that is Tulia, not knowing the fundamental difference between forms of veneration and worship.
But no, Worship in the sense of how most westerners would understand it of the ever virgin Theotokos, is not biblical.
There is a fine line between worship and reverence... and most non-philosophers don't know the difference. In my opinion, intercessory prayer would qualify as a form of worship. It acknowledges her as an extant, divine being powerful enough to influence God. She would also qualify as a consort to God.Zeviander
Perhaps you should actually look at the defintions of those who hold to these doctrines.
- Mary is not divine
- Mary is not the only saint whom is asked for intercession.
- Mary did not consort with God, despite what the quran might tell you.
- If Intercessory prayer works also as worship then practically all the saints on the calander would have to be considered divine, and by that extension even other Christians whom pray for each other on earth would also qualify as being worshipped.
Maybe it's just me but: "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen." Sounds a bit more worshipy than "Taxi!"Ace6301
And Mary said: My soul does magnify the Lord. 47And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48Because he has regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49Because he that is mighty has done great things to me: and holy is his name.
[QUOTE="Philokalia"]Perhaps you should actually look at the defintions of those who hold to these doctrines. - Mary is not divine - Mary is not the only saint whom is asked for intercession. - Mary did not consort with God, despite what the quran might tell you. - If Intercessory prayer works also as worship then practically all the saints on the calander would have to be considered divine, and by that extension even other Christians whom pray for each other on earth would also qualify as being worshipped. Again, I say, the popular opinion isn't necessarily in line with the official doctrine. These are merely my interpretations of how people talk about their beliefs.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Maybe it's just me but: "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen." Sounds a bit more worshipy than "Taxi!"Philokalia
And Mary said: My soul does magnify the Lord. 47And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48Because he has regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49Because he that is mighty has done great things to me: and holy is his name.
Mary must have worshipped herself.
Well I wouldn't have said so before but yeah actually you make it sound like that's the case.
I relish Atheists and fundamentalists calling veneration of Mary a form of worship, that is Tulia, not knowing the fundamental difference between forms of veneration and worship.
But no, Worship in the sense of how most westerners would understand it of the ever virgin Theotokos, is not biblical.
Philokalia
The idea of veneration causes the same sort of issues between Sunni and Shia Muslims as it does between the Christian faiths.
I relish fundamentalists of all religious persuasions getting caught up in the subtleties over degrees of reverence.
I don't know of any religion that worships Mary. Catholics honor Mary for being the mother of God, and one role model to which we can model our lives but they certainly don't worship her. ferrari2001
Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
We had to pray to Mary a lot, are you sure that isn't worship?
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