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#51 compost-mentis
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[QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] Wars are hardly fought without a care in the world, they're a last ditch effort that neither side encourages, people come home in coffins and many mourn, it is also a necessity. To not care about a person in Russia getting run over my a car, and shooting a man across the street in Iraq is not the same at all.FrostyPhantasm

Rubbish! Wars are fought over selfishness and greed, more often than not, but more often than not, not a care in the world is given to the poor individuals that were roped into the conflict. A sense of Nationalistic "duty" is often cited, but their lives are sacrificied in vein. What do you think "Nationalism" means?

Nationalism is simply the feeling of community in a largerscale in which people are proud of. Some people START wars for greed and selfishness, obviously that have to, its the people who RESPOND who aren't in it for the greed. Obviously the UN exists for the money involved.

Feelings of Nationalism is NO valid reason to start ANY war, and the UN was NEVER involved for any other reason than Humanitarianism.

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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

Rubbish! Wars are fought over selfishness and greed, more often than not, but more often than not, not a care in the world is given to the poor individuals that were roped into the conflict. A sense of Nationalistic "duty" is often cited, but their lives are sacrificied in vein. What do you think "Nationalism" means?

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Nationalism is simply the feeling of community in a largerscale in which people are proud of. Some people START wars for greed and selfishness, obviously that have to, its the people who RESPOND who aren't in it for the greed. Obviously the UN exists for the money involved.

Feelings of Nationalism is NO valid reason to start ANY war, and the UN was NEVER involved for any other reason than Humanitarianism.

Which is why i stated it sarcastically. I never stated nationalism was a valid reason to start a war. I never said wars weren't fought for greed. I simply stated that some countries RESPOND to war with fighting, because of nationalism and empathy.
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#53 compost-mentis
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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] Nationalism is simply the feeling of community in a largerscale in which people are proud of. Some people START wars for greed and selfishness, obviously that have to, its the people who RESPOND who aren't in it for the greed. Obviously the UN exists for the money involved.FrostyPhantasm

Feelings of Nationalism is NO valid reason to start ANY war, and the UN was NEVER involved for any other reason than Humanitarianism.

Which is why i stated it sarcastically. I never stated nationalism was a valid reason to start a war. I never said wars weren't fought for greed. I simply stated that some countries RESPOND to war with fighting, because of nationalism and empathy.

It seems we have reached a conclusion...

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#54 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

Feelings of Nationalism is NO valid reason to start ANY war, and the UN was NEVER involved for any other reason than Humanitarianism.

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Which is why i stated it sarcastically. I never stated nationalism was a valid reason to start a war. I never said wars weren't fought for greed. I simply stated that some countries RESPOND to war with fighting, because of nationalism and empathy.

It seems we have reached a conclusion...

Why you steered the conversation from anonymous empathy to moral obligations of war alludes me.
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#55 compost-mentis
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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] Which is why i stated it sarcastically. I never stated nationalism was a valid reason to start a war. I never said wars weren't fought for greed. I simply stated that some countries RESPOND to war with fighting, because of nationalism and empathy. FrostyPhantasm

It seems we have reached a conclusion...

Why you steered the conversation from anonymous empathy to moral obligations of war alludes me.

Life is a unified entity.

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#56 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] Which is why i stated it sarcastically. I never stated nationalism was a valid reason to start a war. I never said wars weren't fought for greed. I simply stated that some countries RESPOND to war with fighting, because of nationalism and empathy. FrostyPhantasm

It seems we have reached a conclusion...

Why you steered the conversation from anonymous empathy to moral obligations of war alludes me.

I wondered the same thing. :|
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#57 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

It seems we have reached a conclusion...

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Why you steered the conversation from anonymous empathy to moral obligations of war alludes me.

Life is a unified entity.

That's what you believe, but that's not what everyone believes (obviously, since that's been pointed out). I believe that we're making more and more attempts to segregate people and label them in different groups. Do I see anything wrong with it? Nope, not really.
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#58 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="compost-mentis"]

It seems we have reached a conclusion...

compost-mentis

Why you steered the conversation from anonymous empathy to moral obligations of war alludes me.

Life is a unified entity.

Not true at all... deaths not in my life, do not affect my life, therefore they are not connected or unified.
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What do you think? Is the internet growing into a more reliable and ready source of information, or is it just going to turn into a cesspool of porn and blogged opinions with no value or merit?

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IT really depends what you consider progression. IF you can measure progression, which I dont' believe you can since it really depends on varying degrees of who you ask.. and when you exist. It's conceivable that 100 years from now they could see blogged opinions, and a cesspool of porn as progression so in that case it would have evolved.. and it's possible that right now it could be viewed differently. Ultimately progression or the idea of progress.. doesn't really exist as it has too much to do with opinion. And can't be measured.
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#60 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

What do you think? Is the internet growing into a more reliable and ready source of information, or is it just going to turn into a cesspool of porn and blogged opinions with no value or merit?

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IT really depends what you consider progression. IF you can measure progression, which I dont' believe you can since it really depends on varying degrees of who you ask.. and when you exist. It's conceivable that 100 years from now they could see blogged opinions, and a cesspool of porn as progression so in that case it would have evolved.. and it's possible that right now it could be viewed differently. Ultimately progression or the idea of progress.. doesn't really exist as it has too much to do with opinion. And can't be measured.

I'm not asking anyone to make a scientific measurement of progression. I'm asking people to form their own opinion based on speculation and personal beliefs; that shouldn't be too hard, should it?
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#61 EMOEVOLUTION
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

What do you think? Is the internet growing into a more reliable and ready source of information, or is it just going to turn into a cesspool of porn and blogged opinions with no value or merit?

jalexbrown
IT really depends what you consider progression. IF you can measure progression, which I dont' believe you can since it really depends on varying degrees of who you ask.. and when you exist. It's conceivable that 100 years from now they could see blogged opinions, and a cesspool of porn as progression so in that case it would have evolved.. and it's possible that right now it could be viewed differently. Ultimately progression or the idea of progress.. doesn't really exist as it has too much to do with opinion. And can't be measured.

I'm not asking anyone to make a scientific measurement of progression. I'm asking people to form their own opinion based on speculation and personal beliefs; that shouldn't be too hard, should it?

Like most people you dont' get what I'm saying. I'm saying things don't progress.. they simply exist.. the idea that things move forward from worst to better or better to worst.. is a common misconception people make. You can't formulate an opinion on something that doesn't really happen. But people try too anyways. What i'm saying is that all those opinions on things are getting better or worst.. all really irrelevant and have no merit.
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#62 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] IT really depends what you consider progression. IF you can measure progression, which I dont' believe you can since it really depends on varying degrees of who you ask.. and when you exist. It's conceivable that 100 years from now they could see blogged opinions, and a cesspool of porn as progression so in that case it would have evolved.. and it's possible that right now it could be viewed differently. Ultimately progression or the idea of progress.. doesn't really exist as it has too much to do with opinion. And can't be measured.

I'm not asking anyone to make a scientific measurement of progression. I'm asking people to form their own opinion based on speculation and personal beliefs; that shouldn't be too hard, should it?

Like most people you dont' get what I'm saying. I'm saying things don't progress.. they simply exist.. the idea that things move forward from worst to better or better to worst.. is a common misconception people make. You can't formulate an opinion on something that doesn't really happen. But people try too anyways. What i'm saying is that all those opinions on things are getting better or worst.. all really irrelevant and have no merit.

So we can't say that technology or medicine or rocket science or science has made any progress?
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] I'm not asking anyone to make a scientific measurement of progression. I'm asking people to form their own opinion based on speculation and personal beliefs; that shouldn't be too hard, should it?jalexbrown
Like most people you dont' get what I'm saying. I'm saying things don't progress.. they simply exist.. the idea that things move forward from worst to better or better to worst.. is a common misconception people make. You can't formulate an opinion on something that doesn't really happen. But people try too anyways. What i'm saying is that all those opinions on things are getting better or worst.. all really irrelevant and have no merit.

So we can't say that technology or medicine or rocket science or science has made any progress?

Progress cannot be assigned the value of better or worst. Sure, things change which is a representation of a passge of time.. but not in the values I just said. There is no way to measure better and worst. IT would entirely depend on too many variables.

And to prove this.. I don't believe current medical advancements are for the better of man kind.. More people, longer life span.. does not indicate a better World.

And so there is only one conclusion to be made.. things just happen. Progress as perceived by humans does not exist. It's only a way of us dealing with reality.

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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] Like most people you dont' get what I'm saying. I'm saying things don't progress.. they simply exist.. the idea that things move forward from worst to better or better to worst.. is a common misconception people make. You can't formulate an opinion on something that doesn't really happen. But people try too anyways. What i'm saying is that all those opinions on things are getting better or worst.. all really irrelevant and have no merit.EMOEVOLUTION

So we can't say that technology or medicine or rocket science or science has made any progress?

Progress cannot be assigned the value of better or worst. Sure, things change which is a representation of a passge of time.. but not in the values I just said. There is no way to measure better and worst. IT would entirely depend on too many variables.

And to prove this.. I don't believe current medical advancements are for the better of man kind.. More people, longer life span.. does not indicate a better World.

And so there is only one conclusion to be made.. things just happen. Progress as perceived by humans does not exist. It's only a way of us dealing with reality.

So you admit, then, that even though you can't quantify it, you can still draw personal conclusions?

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#65 EMOEVOLUTION
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] So we can't say that technology or medicine or rocket science or science has made any progress?jalexbrown

Progress cannot be assigned the value of better or worst. Sure, things change which is a representation of a passge of time.. but not in the values I just said. There is no way to measure better and worst. IT would entirely depend on too many variables.

And to prove this.. I don't believe current medical advancements are for the better of man kind.. More people, longer life span.. does not indicate a better World.

And so there is only one conclusion to be made.. things just happen. Progress as perceived by humans does not exist. It's only a way of us dealing with reality.

So you admit, then, that even though you can't quantify it, you can still draw personal conclusions?

I never denied that. People draw personal conclusions. what I'm saying is they irrelevant. And cannot be applied to anything of substance.
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I'll just leave this here.
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#67 Wolls
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Id say evoloving. I means its always been a cesspool of porn and racists but its getting a little better with youtube, twitter and gamespot :D
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#68 Scr00I
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To evolve. Or to revolve. Faster than that of the Earth.
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#69 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

Progress cannot be assigned the value of better or worst. Sure, things change which is a representation of a passge of time.. but not in the values I just said. There is no way to measure better and worst. IT would entirely depend on too many variables.

And to prove this.. I don't believe current medical advancements are for the better of man kind.. More people, longer life span.. does not indicate a better World.

And so there is only one conclusion to be made.. things just happen. Progress as perceived by humans does not exist. It's only a way of us dealing with reality.

EMOEVOLUTION

So you admit, then, that even though you can't quantify it, you can still draw personal conclusions?

I never denied that. People draw personal conclusions. what I'm saying is they irrelevant. And cannot be applied to anything of substance.

It's not the like the fate of the world is based on this, so I don't see why you must complicate things when even you admit to knowing what I mean.

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Evolving, de-evolving isn't possible. Evolution is just changing to the current environment, it dosn't matter if that change is good or bad.
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#71 jalexbrown
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Evolving, de-evolving isn't possible. Evolution is just changing to the current environment, it dosn't matter if that change is good or bad.markop2003
Devolving would be a change towards deterioration. It can be defined as something reverting to a previous state, but that definition isn't very practical since by that definition you're right: it doesn't happen.
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#72 Z0MBIES
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There's just a lot more information reaching the Internet. Admittedly, most of it is completely useless, but there is also useful information too, so I guess it is evolving, sort of.
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#73 L30KinG
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I would say both, its evolving beyond computers to phones and consoles etc. Its making socialicing better and making things easier to do. It makes our life easier. Its devolving cause people don't know how to use it so all of the advanteges are sort of useless to some people. Lets face ti the internet was made for people to share info and other thing. Peopl dont know how to use it and if we let it continue then it can just turn into something horrible.

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#74 buttonmash3r
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Evolving in the way new information is added daily.

Devolving in the way standards are kept. (Sorry, I don't need to know about hot sexy singles when I'm looking for directions.)