Is Robocop the best adaptation of the the Bible put to screen?

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#1 uninspiredcup
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Serious question. The director was a crazy man who set it in a modern setting, where it's a whole host of genres and widely different tones put together.

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I watched Robocop for the first time a couple years ago. It wasn't what I thought it would be at all. I assumed it was going to be standard 80s action movie with cyborg cop but it had all this weird funny stuff that made it alot more than that.

Was still bored though. :/

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#3  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@volsung said:

I watched Robocop for the first time a couple years ago. It wasn't what I thought it would be at all. I assumed it was going to be standard 80s action movie with cyborg cop but it had all this weird funny stuff that made it alot more than that.

Was still bored though. :/

Cool, not the question though.

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The Bible? I don't get it.

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The Bible? I don't get it.

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Odd, thought it fairly well known. Many of the scenes are Christian symbolism be it Murphy getting killed, walking on water, the way he poses with his gun or the swat team attacking etc...

Basic template is Jesus resurrection, mixed in with elements of sci-fi, Westerns, Frankenstein and black-comedy satire.

Paul Verhoeven was obsessed with Jesus.

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@uninspiredcup: References maybe, but calling it an adaptation is stretching it a bit...and I hadn't heard of the references either.

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#7  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@uninspiredcup: References maybe, but calling it an adaptation is stretching it a bit...and I hadn't heard of the references either.

Absolutely an adaptation. He literally wanted to make Jesus story in a modern contemporary (well future) setting.

The final scene of the movie is Murphy fully resurrected, showing his face, moving and speaking like man again and referring to himself by name.

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We killed you, you're dead etc...

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Jezuz Christ!

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Saw it too long ago to say.

I'd say Narnia is a pretty fun version of the bible.

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@volsung: I dont understand how you could be bored by the original Robocop?!? Its so perfectly put together even though its a mash up of different ideas and genres, I'm excited just talking about it.

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@volsung: I dont understand how you could be bored by the original Robocop?!? Its so perfectly put together even though its a mash up of different ideas and genres, I'm excited just talking about it.

I found the action boring and lame, possibly because how slow and stiff Robocop is, and the premise and setting uninteresting. I mean the satirical and comedic elements are great but everything else is ehhhh.

I don't get the Bible thing either. Even if Robocop is Jesus, Jesus isn't as big a part of the Bible as some might think.

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Well since it's not an adaptation of the Bible I'm not sure what to say here...…….

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Well since it's not an adaptation of the Bible I'm not sure what to say here...…….

Feel free to explain why it isn't than making a blank provocative statement.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Well since it's not an adaptation of the Bible I'm not sure what to say here...…….

Feel free to explain why it isn't than making a blank provocative statement.

Would you consider Man of Steel an adaption of the Bible?

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@volsung said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Well since it's not an adaptation of the Bible I'm not sure what to say here...…….

Feel free to explain why it isn't than making a blank provocative statement.

Would you consider Man of Steel an adaption of the Bible?

No. They used allegories in the movie but it's not an adaptation of the Bible.

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@volsung said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Well since it's not an adaptation of the Bible I'm not sure what to say here...…….

Feel free to explain why it isn't than making a blank provocative statement.

Would you consider Man of Steel an adaption of the Bible?

If you include Justice League, to a degree, yes. He casts Superman as a Jesus like figure in a contemporary setting much like Robocop, Superman is sent off by his daddy to save humans, shunned, killed and resurrected to save us. With Lex Luther babbling shit about killing god coupled with a very blunt as a brick imagery.

Is it loose, deeply pretentious and badly done? Yes.

Both the intent of the creator Robocop and the literal definition is adaption.

A film adaptation is the transfer of a work or story, in whole or in part, to a feature film

Here's an adaption of King Lear.

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Here's an adaption of Macbeth.

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Just because something looks different and changes multiple aspects doesn't stop it being an adaption.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Well since it's not an adaptation of the Bible I'm not sure what to say here...…….

Feel free to explain why it isn't than making a blank provocative statement.

I did. Read my post again.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@volsung said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Well since it's not an adaptation of the Bible I'm not sure what to say here...…….

Feel free to explain why it isn't than making a blank provocative statement.

Would you consider Man of Steel an adaption of the Bible?

No. They used allegories in the movie but it's not an adaptation of the Bible.

It's not interpretation, it's literal intent with basic plot elements.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No. They used allegories in the movie but it's not an adaptation of the Bible.

It's not interpretation, it's literal intent with basic plot elements.

No. It's taking the Savior theme and using allegory. It's NOT an adaptation though.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No. They used allegories in the movie but it's not an adaptation of the Bible.

It's not interpretation, it's literal intent with basic plot elements.

No. It's taking the Savior theme and using allegory. It's NOT an adaptation though.

In case you missed it.

It IS a Christ story.

Is IS the point.

He's saying, in no uncertain terms, it's the story of Christ.

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There is no interpretation here, those are absolutes. and movies that have allergies allegories (and Robocop does) doesn't stop them being adaptations, however loose they are. As long as it follows to source material to a degree (which it is does), than it fits under that umbrella.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No. It's taking the Savior theme and using allegory. It's NOT an adaptation though.

In case you missed it.

It IS a Christ story.

Is IS the point.

He's saying, in no uncertain terms, it's the story of Christ.

There is no interpretation here, those are absolutes. and movies that have allergies allegories (and Robocop does) doesn't stop them being adaptations, however loose they are.

Adaptations do not make new characters and have entirely different stories. You're using the wrong words dude. I don't care what Verhoven says. He has his own agenda/opinion. Doesn't make it so.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No. It's taking the Savior theme and using allegory. It's NOT an adaptation though.

In case you missed it.

It IS a Christ story.

Is IS the point.

He's saying, in no uncertain terms, it's the story of Christ.

There is no interpretation here, those are absolutes. and movies that have allergies allegories (and Robocop does) doesn't stop them being adaptations, however loose they are.

Adaptations do not make new characters and have entirely different stories. You're using the wrong words dude. I don't care what Verhoven says. He has his own agenda/opinion. Doesn't make it so.

Yes they do. Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit entirely makes up new characters and removes characters and very barely follows the books.

Like this asshole who doesn't exist.

And this asshole who use to exist.

And that's why alot some of fans of the books hate the movie, they consider it dumbed down when in reality, it be nearly impossible to put the real book to film and have it appeal to a massive audience with a budget of that size without all the changes.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No. It's taking the Savior theme and using allegory. It's NOT an adaptation though.

In case you missed it.

It IS a Christ story.

Is IS the point.

He's saying, in no uncertain terms, it's the story of Christ.

There is no interpretation here, those are absolutes. and movies that have allergies allegories (and Robocop does) doesn't stop them being adaptations, however loose they are.

Adaptations do not make new characters and have entirely different stories. You're using the wrong words dude. I don't care what Verhoven says. He has his own agenda/opinion. Doesn't make it so.

Yes they do. Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit entirely makes up new characters and removes characters and very barely follows the books.

Like this asshole who doesn't exist.

And this asshole who use to exist.

And that's why alot some of fans of the books hate the movie, they consider it dumbed down when in reality, it be nearly impossible to put the real book to film and have it appeal to a massive audience with a budget of that size without all the changes.

It's not an adaptation dude. If you are using that as a product than anyone that sacrifices themselves for humanity would be biblical. They are not.

None of the main characters in the ring/hobbit movies were new.

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@uninspiredcup:

Is Robocop the best adaptation of the the Bible put to screen?

What did you smoke and where can I get some?

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#24  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@uninspiredcup said:

In case you missed it.

It IS a Christ story.

Is IS the point.

He's saying, in no uncertain terms, it's the story of Christ.

There is no interpretation here, those are absolutes. and movies that have allergies allegories (and Robocop does) doesn't stop them being adaptations, however loose they are.

Adaptations do not make new characters and have entirely different stories. You're using the wrong words dude. I don't care what Verhoven says. He has his own agenda/opinion. Doesn't make it so.

Yes they do. Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit entirely makes up new characters and removes characters and very barely follows the books.

Like this asshole who doesn't exist.

And this asshole who use to exist.

And that's why alot some of fans of the books hate the movie, they consider it dumbed down when in reality, it be nearly impossible to put the real book to film and have it appeal to a massive audience with a budget of that size without all the changes.

It's not an adaptation dude. If you are using that as a product than anyone that sacrifices themselves for humanity would be biblical. They are not.

None of the main characters in the ring/hobbit movies were new.

Aside from new/remove characters and entire segments of story added and removed, hell movies added, the lore characters were also drastically changed to the point they were character in name only, almost none of them resemble the book.

Like Robocop it's a very basic frame-work, the main difference being Lord Of The RIngs made an active attempt to look like the source material, while Robocop adapts it to a near-future setting.

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Bitches leave!

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Serious question. The director was a crazy man who set it in a modern setting, where it's a whole host of genres and widely different tones put together.

Side note - not a Fedora "in this moment" thread

What a bizarre question, the bible is just part of the christian mythology ideals.

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Yes.

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If so many people argue with you about it, then maybe it's possible that it's not an adaptation, but rather inspired by.

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#29  Edited By MirkoS77
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Could be, but I don’t see some important parallels in the film that define Christianity.

-who are those with original sin?

-who committed original sin?

-how does Murphy’s death and resurrection play into that?

-do people have to believe in Robocop for salvation?

-Jesus didn’t have an enemy he took vengeance on after his resurrection.

Robocop to me has always been a film about humanism. A journey of self-discovery, someone seeking to regain and come to grips with their shattered and lost humanity. That (and dualism) are central themes of the film. Jesus didn’t have to discover who he was, he knew.

There’s a few similarities that are lifted from the Bible I suppose, but an adaptation implies that it adheres fairly strictly to the fundamental tenets of the story.

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@uninspiredcup: I love Robocop, such a great film on so many levels. The action and the psychology of Alex Murphy. Really quite a sad film.

But Superman is the best Jesus.