Is pedophilia a sickness or is it just a feeling towards young people?

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#1 Borrizee
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It's a discussion me and my friends have for quite a time now. First I want to say I don't have the intention to offence people with this question,I know it is a really hard thing to think and talk about. That said I believe it's something that can not be cured. It's like I love my wife and she loves me. It's like my best friend who is gay and loves his man. Nothing wrong with it? I think everything is wrong with it. What about you and why?
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#2 Pirate700
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It's definitely an illness but I don't think it's an excuse.

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#3 MannyDelgado
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Paedophilia isn't immoral per se since no one can really be blamed for an urge they don't choose to have, but obviously acting on that urge is immoral
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#4 Renevent42
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I'd even go as far to say that's it's natural (as in, a natural diversion of human behavior). With that said, it doesn't mean society has to tolerate it.
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#5 Barbariser
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Pedophilia is a mental disorder, but non-criminal pedophiles should be treated equally, or at least not too badly discriminated against.

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I don't care. Just execute them already
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#7 indzman
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It's definitely an illness but I don't think it's an excuse.

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#8 BatCrazedJoker
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It's a mental disorder and there should never be an excuse for it.
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#9 Serraph105
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It's a mental disorder and there should never be an excuse for it. BatCrazedJoker
not to condone the actions or anything, but isn't conceding that it's a mental disorder in and of itself an excuse?
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#10 Laihendi
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It is an (abnormal) sexual orientation that results in rape if acted on.
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It's the only true way to live.

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#12 kuraimen
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It's not an illness. "Pedophilia" is found everywhere in nature. But that doesn't mean it should be allowed since it can harm children.
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#13 TheShadowLord07
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something to do with hormones i believe.

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#14 CreasianDevaili
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Pedophilia is said to be a abnormal/illness. However these days I am starting to wonder if all can be designated as such or if some are just the type who get a natural high from anything taboo. Like its a turn on to do something against the norm. Starts off innocent enough and eventually it gets worse and worse. Unsure if that is a mental disorder since so many humans do in all ways of life.
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#15 indzman
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something to do with hormones i believe.

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#16 kuraimen
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Pedophilia is said to be a abnormal/illness. However these days I am starting to wonder if all can be designated as such or if some are just the type who get a natural high from anything taboo. Like its a turn on to do something against the norm. Starts off innocent enough and eventually it gets worse and worse. Unsure if that is a mental disorder since so many humans do in all ways of life.CreasianDevaili
There were many cultures and still there are where pedophilia is perfectly normal. It's also normal on our close ancestors like chimps and bonobos. But cultures change and things become taboo. Right now pedophilia is taboo because it can be harmful for children. That a behavior is natural or normal doesn't mean it's good. I think it's more useful if we say things like they are instead of trying to pretend things are like we want to. Problems are solved easier that way.
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#17 MrPraline
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Paedophilia isn't immoral per se since no one can really be blamed for an urge they don't choose to have, but obviously acting on that urge is immoralMannyDelgado
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#18 CreasianDevaili
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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]Pedophilia is said to be a abnormal/illness. However these days I am starting to wonder if all can be designated as such or if some are just the type who get a natural high from anything taboo. Like its a turn on to do something against the norm. Starts off innocent enough and eventually it gets worse and worse. Unsure if that is a mental disorder since so many humans do in all ways of life.kuraimen
There were many cultures and still there are where pedophilia is perfectly normal. It's also normal on our close ancestors like chimps and bonobos. But cultures change and things become taboo. Right now pedophilia is taboo because it can be harmful for children. That a behavior is natural or normal doesn't mean it's good. I think it's more useful if we say things like they are instead of trying to pretend things are like we want to. Problems are solved easier that way.

I know the history of it. That was why i specifically mentioned people who get a thrill out of doing something taboo. I think we all know them. Hell maybe slept with them and that was why we don't anymore. When i said it is said to be abnormal/illness I was merely saying the definition as to my own culture's standards. I know why we label it taboo and for good reason. We have taboo'ed many personal freedoms which are harmful because we know they are harmful. But mostly I brought up the taboo thing because I don't see it as a illness. I see it as something else. Don't afford it for myself and damn others for it but not a illness imo.
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#19 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]Pedophilia is said to be a abnormal/illness. However these days I am starting to wonder if all can be designated as such or if some are just the type who get a natural high from anything taboo. Like its a turn on to do something against the norm. Starts off innocent enough and eventually it gets worse and worse. Unsure if that is a mental disorder since so many humans do in all ways of life.CreasianDevaili
There were many cultures and still there are where pedophilia is perfectly normal. It's also normal on our close ancestors like chimps and bonobos. But cultures change and things become taboo. Right now pedophilia is taboo because it can be harmful for children. That a behavior is natural or normal doesn't mean it's good. I think it's more useful if we say things like they are instead of trying to pretend things are like we want to. Problems are solved easier that way.

I know the history of it. That was why i specifically mentioned people who get a thrill out of doing something taboo. I think we all know them. Hell maybe slept with them and that was why we don't anymore. When i said it is said to be abnormal/illness I was merely saying the definition as to my own culture's standards. I know why we label it taboo and for good reason. We have taboo'ed many personal freedoms which are harmful because we know they are harmful. But mostly I brought up the taboo thing because I don't see it as a illness. I see it as something else. Don't afford it for myself and damn others for it but not a illness imo.

I agree.
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#20 CreasianDevaili
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I agree.kuraimen
So I figure the mention that we shouldn't pretend was in reference to trying to comfort ourselves by labeling it an illness instead of just human nature in general eh? Since an illness is someone people say you have or you don't and can leave behind the notion that their own loss of control can kill, rape, molest, etc.
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#21 Lucky_Krystal
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We had a thread just like this in OT months ago. It did not end well. :(

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#22 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I agree.CreasianDevaili
So I figure the mention that we shouldn't pretend was in reference to trying to comfort ourselves by labeling it an illness instead of just human nature in general eh? Since an illness is someone people say you have or you don't and can leave behind the notion that their own loss of control can kill, rape, molest, etc.

Yeah labelling it an illness is the easy way out but not really good to find a solution or to understand the phenomenon. It's a good approach to understand these things scientifically but for that we need to be honest first.
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#23 CreasianDevaili
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We had a thread just like this in OT months ago. It did not end well. :(

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I think that was because people decided to have fun and bring up bronies and my little pony. Long as no one mentioned how people think my little pony bronies are borderline pedophiles this thread will be fine.
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#24 Blueresident87
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Pedophilia, whether it is a sickness or not I don't know. It is sick, and there is no excuse for it.

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#25 Diablo-B
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Paedophilia isn't immoral per se since no one can really be blamed for an urge they don't choose to have, but obviously acting on that urge is immoralMannyDelgado
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#26 jeremiah06
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Everyone is attracted to little kids at one point(when they are little) as we grow our hormones change and so does what we're attracted... So based on that pedos for some reason don't change from childhood... It's important to know that being into that jailbate 14 year old who's more "developed" that some 23 year olds doesn't make you a pedophile...
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#27 dommeus
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It's a sexual preference, just like any other. It is just wildly inappropriate in many cases.

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#28 ShadowMoses900
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It's disgusting and pedophiles have no place in the world. Either lock them up for life or kill them, this is the only cure.

People that defend them are probably pedophiles themselves.

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#29 GazaAli
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It's disgusting and pedophiles have no place in the world. Either lock them up for life or kill them, this is the only cure.

People that defend them are probably pedophiles themselves.

ShadowMoses900
This post is oozing with tolerance.
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#30 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It's disgusting and pedophiles have no place in the world. Either lock them up for life or kill them, this is the only cure.

People that defend them are probably pedophiles themselves.

GazaAli

This post is oozing with tolerance.

Child preadators don't deserve tolerance. People that tolerate them are mentally ill.

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#31 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It's disgusting and pedophiles have no place in the world. Either lock them up for life or kill them, this is the only cure.

People that defend them are probably pedophiles themselves.

ShadowMoses900

This post is oozing with tolerance.

Child preadators don't deserve tolerance. People that tolerate them are mentally ill.

A pedophile does not necessarily act on their impulses/urges.
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#32 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] This post is oozing with tolerance.GazaAli

Child preadators don't deserve tolerance. People that tolerate them are mentally ill.

A pedophile does not necessarily act on their impulses/urges.

They all do, they have the desire, they will act on it. They have no place in society.

Really OT is the only place where I see people defend this kind of stuff, people here need to get their head checked.

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Everyone jokes about hitting on 15 and 16 year olds so I don't think its uncommon.....
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#34 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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It's an illness. The ones that harm children are sociopathic monsters.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It's disgusting and pedophiles have no place in the world. Either lock them up for life or kill them, this is the only cure.

People that defend them are probably pedophiles themselves.

ShadowMoses900

This post is oozing with tolerance.

Child preadators don't deserve tolerance. People that tolerate them are mentally ill.

Being born with certain urges does not make you a child predator. And you know this. I know you like to put all different people against a wall and shoot them, but in real life some nuance does not hurt brother. Eradicating The Different with jail cells and bullets sounds good in the mind of somebody who sees things in black and white. Myopic world view. Specsavers fanboys. But take that 1943 to 1984 sh*t elsewhere and realise that not everybody acts on these things. God.
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#36 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Everyone jokes about hitting on 15 and 16 year olds so I don't think its uncommon.....lonewolf604
Is this a joke post?

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#37 MrPraline
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Everyone jokes about hitting on 15 and 16 year olds so I don't think its uncommon.....lonewolf604
That's because liking 15 and 16 year olds is not pedophilia.
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[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]Everyone jokes about hitting on 15 and 16 year olds so I don't think its uncommon.....Aljosa23

Is this a joke post?

Probably not sadly.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Child preadators don't deserve tolerance. People that tolerate them are mentally ill.

ShadowMoses900

A pedophile does not necessarily act on their impulses/urges.

They all do, they have the desire, they will act on it. They have no place in society.

Really OT is the only place where I see people defend this kind of stuff, people here need to get their head checked.

Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?
You are the one that needs to get his head checked seriously. You want society to preemptively execute people before they commit anything.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] This post is oozing with tolerance.MrPraline

Child preadators don't deserve tolerance. People that tolerate them are mentally ill.

Being born with certain urges does not make you a child predator. And you know this. I know you like to put all different people against a wall and shoot them, but in real life some nuance does not hurt brother. Eradicating The Different with jail cells and bullets sounds good in the mind of somebody who sees things in black and white. Myopic world view. Specsavers fanboys. But take that 1943 to 1984 sh*t elsewhere and realise that not everybody acts on these things. God.

Proof that Praline is a theist.

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#41 mingmao3046
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If being attracted to kids is a mental illness, then so is being gay Pedophiles hurt no one unless they act on their impulses

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It's not an illness. "Pedophilia" is found everywhere in nature. But that doesn't mean it should be allowed since it can harm children.kuraimen

I'd contend that religious indoctrination is potentially far more harmful to a child than consensual sex with a caring adult. Yet religious indoctrination of children is permitted in the US.

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#43 GreekGameManiac
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Ofcourse it's a sickness!!!!!

It's horrible!

Btw,to anyone who thinks teens are kids,you're wrong.

Technically,they are between kids & adults.

So don't include them.

The correct term for liking teens is hebephilia.

NOT the same.

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#44 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]It's not an illness. "Pedophilia" is found everywhere in nature. But that doesn't mean it should be allowed since it can harm children.Stesilaus

I'd contend that religious indoctrination is potentially far more harmful to a child than consensual sex with a caring adult. Yet religious indoctrination of children is permitted in the US.

:roll:
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]It's not an illness. "Pedophilia" is found everywhere in nature. But that doesn't mean it should be allowed since it can harm children.Stesilaus

I'd contend that religious indoctrination is potentially far more harmful to a child than consensual sex with a caring adult. Yet religious indoctrination of children is permitted in the US.

go back to /r/atheism
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#46 Ncsoftlover
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like any other sexual paraphilia: necrophilia, zoophilia, sadism, and masochism

It's something people can't control, in that sense, like homosexuality as well, though I don't think pedophilia is a sexual orientation, more like a division of sexuality.

It's been misunderstood, and became a target of modern witch hunt, it's one of the proofs that modern society really hasn't moved on much from the middle ages.

Should it be a mental disorder? well, for the convenience of the public, I guess there are reasons keeping it a "mental disorder", but then again mental disorder is just artificial created labels for deviance, especially for socially stigmatized ones. Just being logical here, if homosexuality (once been a mental disorder) is not, why is pedophilia a mental disorder?

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Child preadators don't deserve tolerance. People that tolerate them are mentally ill.

GazaAli

Being born with certain urges does not make you a child predator. And you know this. I know you like to put all different people against a wall and shoot them, but in real life some nuance does not hurt brother. Eradicating The Different with jail cells and bullets sounds good in the mind of somebody who sees things in black and white. Myopic world view. Specsavers fanboys. But take that 1943 to 1984 sh*t elsewhere and realise that not everybody acts on these things. God.

Proof that Praline is a theist.

Old habits die hard. :D But I do have a god. Comes in a plethora of different bottles and flavours.
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#48 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] This post is oozing with tolerance.MrPraline

Child preadators don't deserve tolerance. People that tolerate them are mentally ill.

Being born with certain urges does not make you a child predator. And you know this. I know you like to put all different people against a wall and shoot them, but in real life some nuance does not hurt brother. Eradicating The Different with jail cells and bullets sounds good in the mind of somebody who sees things in black and white. Myopic world view. Specsavers fanboys. But take that 1943 to 1984 sh*t elsewhere and realise that not everybody acts on these things. God.

There isn't any evidence that people are born as pedophiles, there isn't any real evidence that says people are born with any sexual desires. Pedophiles are a danger to society, they are a ticking time bomb. It's only a matter of time before they act, if they haven't then they need to be checked into a mental ward where they can be treated and never let out.

Most pedophiles do not care however, their brain patters are similar to that of rapists and seriel killers. They lack empathy and compassion, no conscionce, that is why they are capable of doing the sick things they do. I often worry about people on OT, including you, so many people here defend pedphiles and incest and other sick sh!t. Do you guys even live in reality? If the average person saw the things you guys support they would think there would be something wrong with you.

People that defend pedophiles makes me wonder about them....about who they really are....

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]It's not an illness. "Pedophilia" is found everywhere in nature. But that doesn't mean it should be allowed since it can harm children.Stesilaus

I'd contend that religious indoctrination is potentially far more harmful to a child than consensual sex with a caring adult. Yet religious indoctrination of children is permitted in the US.

Religious indoctrination is definitely more harmful than raping a child. Makes sense.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]It's not an illness. "Pedophilia" is found everywhere in nature. But that doesn't mean it should be allowed since it can harm children.Stesilaus

I'd contend that religious indoctrination is potentially far more harmful to a child than consensual sex with a caring adult. Yet religious indoctrination of children is permitted in the US.

This is quite possibly the most retarded post I have ever read on here.