self defense and death by drone are not the same thing, a guy saying things that are not inline with your propaganda is not the same as someone pointing a gun at you, and even if it were killing a persons family because that person does not agree with you is unjustifiable, and if you think it is justifiable how many degrees of separation does that condemnation extend in your mind?
@MakeMeaSammitch: according to who? and to your question for sun, why indeed?
you do not seem to get the whole judicial process and its purpose.
sometimes police officers have to put people down who are a threat to others.
same thing right?
If someone is in the middle of killing someone or about to kill someone and the cops show up, then yes, they are going to stop the threat. But cops don't go to a murderers house and blow him away to prevent him from doing it again. He's arrested and taken to court and he goes through due process.
@MakeMeaSammitch: according to who? and to your question for sun, why indeed?
you do not seem to get the whole judicial process and its purpose.
sometimes police officers have to put people down who are a threat to others.
same thing right?
If someone is in the middle of killing someone or about to kill someone and the cops show up, then yes, they are going to stop the threat. But cops don't go to a murderers house and blow him away to prevent him from doing it again. He's arrested and taken to court and he goes through due process.
*suspected* *alleged* due process and all that, just a little point of contention.
like with the when the cops shot up that blue truck with the two ladies in it looking for chris dorner, just because some jack off with a gun(or drone) has a theory it does not make them even remotely right. but we are on the same due process page.
Well, we're just going to argue in circles. My opinion is that in extreme circumstance, due process should be suspended.
He was a terrorist on another countries soil. Had we tried to capture him, soldiers could have died, and he would have likely never returned to this country. In the mean time, he would have planned another attack and people could have died.
So I just put the values of whatever lives would have been saved over due process.
Well, we're just going to argue in circles. My opinion is that in extreme circumstance, due process should be suspended.
He was a terrorist on another countries soil. Had we tried to capture him, soldiers could have died, and he would have likely never returned to this country. In the mean time, he would have planned another attack and people could have died.
So I just put the values of whatever lives would have been saved over due process.
If he were on native soil, would you have condoned a drone strike?
The economy was bad when he took the presidency; now it's far worse. Next two years I wouldn't give any real hope, things'll be much more crippled considering his moronic facist health plan and war against the middle class. I thought this question was a joke.
Well, we're just going to argue in circles. My opinion is that in extreme circumstance, due process should be suspended.
He was a terrorist on another countries soil. Had we tried to capture him, soldiers could have died, and he would have likely never returned to this country. In the mean time, he would have planned another attack and people could have died.
So I just put the values of whatever lives would have been saved over due process.
If he were on native soil, would you have condoned a drone strike?
no, if his location was known, police, swat, ect. could have captured him.
The economy was bad when he took the presidency; now it's far worse. Next two years I wouldn't give any real hope, things'll be much more crippled considering his moronic facist health plan and war against the middle class. I thought this question was a joke.
@MakeMeaSammitch: the US has military bases all over the world, if they cant be used to protect the rights of its citizens then what is their point? and your god says men should die and you follow, you sir are religious.
@MakeMeaSammitch: the US has military bases all over the world, if they cant be used to protect the rights of its citizens then what is their point? and your god says men should die and you follow, you sir are religious.
The economy was bad when he took the presidency; now it's far worse. Next two years I wouldn't give any real hope, things'll be much more crippled considering his moronic facist health plan and war against the middle class. I thought this question was a joke.
@MakeMeaSammitch: the US has military bases all over the world, if they cant be used to protect the rights of its citizens then what is their point? and your god says men should die and you follow, you sir are religious.
he was a terrorist.
he was innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers.
@MakeMeaSammitch: the US has military bases all over the world, if they cant be used to protect the rights of its citizens then what is their point? and your god says men should die and you follow, you sir are religious.
he was a terrorist.
he was innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers.
If you're a threat to the US Government, you don't have rights. Duh! :D
PS. In the US Declaration of Independence, it discusses the natural right to revolution. If a government is not performing to the desires of the people, it is the people's right and OBLIGATION to remove and replace said government.
Imagine that now. If that were to happen, we'd all be targeted for drone strikes.
The man was never really qualified to be President and it shows. He is by far the worst President I can remember and I can remember back to Nixon. It's going to take a really long time for this country to recover after he leaves office. My grand kids will probably still be paying off his spending.
The economy was bad when he took the presidency; now it's far worse. Next two years I wouldn't give any real hope, things'll be much more crippled considering his moronic facist health plan and war against the middle class. I thought this question was a joke.
By what measure? Certainly not by a measure of unemployment.
The economy was bad when he took the presidency; now it's far worse. Next two years I wouldn't give any real hope, things'll be much more crippled considering his moronic facist health plan and war against the middle class. I thought this question was a joke.
By what measure? Certainly not by a measure of unemployment.
I believe JFK was more popular and well received but Obama has his positives too. Bush was a disaster.
People would've hated JFK if he hadn't been assassinated. His approval rating was dropping like crazy after it peaked during the cuban missile crisis and there was good chance he would not have been reelected (and his policies were pretty similar to Kennedy and people ended up hating that guy.
The President has become nothing more than a figure head. All of congress needs to either die or retire. We need fresh young minds running our country, not a bunch of old hags that cling to the ideas of the past. Our founding fathers are from a time before world trade, the internet and the advent of modern technology. America is a young country that needs to get over itself and grow up.
The President has become nothing more than a figure head. All of congress needs to either die or retire. We need fresh young minds running our country, not a bunch of old hags that cling to the ideas of the past. Our founding fathers are from a time before world trade, the internet and the advent of modern technology. America is a young country that needs to get over itself and grow up.
by "fresh young minds" do you mean a bunch of pseudo-intellectual hipster teenagers?
The President has become nothing more than a figure head. All of congress needs to either die or retire. We need fresh young minds running our country, not a bunch of old hags that cling to the ideas of the past. Our founding fathers are from a time before world trade, the internet and the advent of modern technology. America is a young country that needs to get over itself and grow up.
by "fresh young minds" do you mean a bunch of pseudo-intellectual hipster teenagers?
Preferably some college know-it-alls that have the answers to world hunger and world peace.
@jimkabrhel: so who was the best president? which president do you know that could please everyone all of the time?
Implying Obama pleases everybody. LOL What a fucking joke.
Reading comprehension is your friend. That's not what he was suggesting, rather the opposite. That no President could please everyone. But that's beside the point too. Obama isn't even pleasing the base that elected him, let alone the other side which is actively stonewalling hi at every turn.
Obama hasn't been helped by a useless Congress, but a good, dynamic President would find ways to overcome that, and not just let his/her agenda be sunk.
Ugh, the base can go suck a lemon. I honestly don't know how or why Democrats got suckered into bashing their own President (whose policies, by the way, they seem to mostly support) but I honestly can't stand it. Do you care about environmental protection? An equitable tax code? A strong economic security net? Opportunities for higher education? Decent policy on primary and secondary education? Increased access to healthcare? If you don't then by all means, keep bashing President Obama. We'll buy right into the conservative echo chamber and ensure the Congress gets handed right over to Paul Ryan and the Republicans (maybe the Presidency as well) and then we'll be on the losing side of all of those issues. I know most Democrats don't agree with everything the President has done, but it's better to actually make some progress on these issues rather than just get steamrolled and sent back to square one. You do remember the Bush Presidency, do you not? You do remember Clinton-era environmental reforms being demolished, taxes being slashed at the worst possible time, education policy going off the rails? We're primed for far worse than that. Look at Ryan's budget and the House bills that are being passed, if that's what you want for this country then keep throwing President Obama under the bus. Not agreeing with everything President Obama does is understandable, as is voicing that disagreement. What isn't understandable is not defending him when you do agree with something he does, and then going even farther and jumping on the Obama-bashing bandwagon.
@jimkabrhel: so who was the best president? which president do you know that could please everyone all of the time?
Implying Obama pleases everybody. LOL What a fucking joke.
Reading comprehension is your friend. That's not what he was suggesting, rather the opposite. That no President could please everyone. But that's beside the point too. Obama isn't even pleasing the base that elected him, let alone the other side which is actively stonewalling hi at every turn.
Obama hasn't been helped by a useless Congress, but a good, dynamic President would find ways to overcome that, and not just let his/her agenda be sunk.
The President has become nothing more than a figure head. All of congress needs to either die or retire. We need fresh young minds running our country, not a bunch of old hags that cling to the ideas of the past. Our founding fathers are from a time before world trade, the internet and the advent of modern technology. America is a young country that needs to get over itself and grow up.
by "fresh young minds" do you mean a bunch of pseudo-intellectual hipster teenagers?
Preferably some college know-it-alls that have the answers to world hunger and world peace.
Yeah, the type who walk around saying; "hurr durr, institutions are evil."
The President has become nothing more than a figure head. All of congress needs to either die or retire. We need fresh young minds running our country, not a bunch of old hags that cling to the ideas of the past. Our founding fathers are from a time before world trade, the internet and the advent of modern technology. America is a young country that needs to get over itself and grow up.
by "fresh young minds" do you mean a bunch of pseudo-intellectual hipster teenagers?
Preferably some college know-it-alls that have the answers to world hunger and world peace.
stop shooting people and grow more food, the path to world peace and the end to hunger.
@jimkabrhel: so who was the best president? which president do you know that could please everyone all of the time?
Implying Obama pleases everybody. LOL What a fucking joke.
Reading comprehension is your friend. That's not what he was suggesting, rather the opposite. That no President could please everyone. But that's beside the point too. Obama isn't even pleasing the base that elected him, let alone the other side which is actively stonewalling hi at every turn.
Obama hasn't been helped by a useless Congress, but a good, dynamic President would find ways to overcome that, and not just let his/her agenda be sunk.
taxes being slashed at the worst possible time
Is there ever a good time to slash taxes?
Probably not slash, but a good time to lower taxes is during economic downturns (that is if there's not already a funding issue within the government). There might not be a good time to slash taxes, but there are better times than others. At the same time that you're conducting two wars and paying for a medicare expansion is probably the worst time you can pick.
@jimkabrhel: so who was the best president? which president do you know that could please everyone all of the time?
Ronald Reagan was probably the most "liked" president on both sides of the aisle in modern history.
This is true, but I like him less now that the most unlikeable people imaginable continuously refer to themselves as "Reagan Republicans". They completely misunderstand what made Reagan popular and it drives me insane.
Reagan wouldn't even fit into the Republican party now, with how extreme the party has become..
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