In US, racism is linked to gun ownership

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#1 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30446 posts) -

A new study finds higher levels of racism in white Americans is associated with having a gun in the home and greater opposition to gun control policies.

After accounting for numerous other factors such as income, education, and political ideology, the researchers found that for each one point increase (on a scale from one to five) in symbolic racism there was a 50 percent increase in the odds of having a gun in the home and a 28 percent increase in support for policies allowing people to carry concealed guns.

Each one point increase in symbolic racism (a modern measure of anti-black racism) was also associated with a 27 percent increase in the odds of opposing bans on hand guns in the home. After accounting for those who already had a gun in the home, the odds were reduced to a non-significant 17 percent increase. However, the authors note that this reduction is unsurprising as opposition to bans on guns equates to self interest on behalf of those who already own a gun and do not wish to give it up.

And racism was already strongly associated with having a gun in the home.

The research, published in PLoS One, was stimulated by gun control debates in the US after mass shootings such as the Sandy Hook tragedy, and research showing black Americans are more likely to be shot than whites.

The most recent figures show there are approximately 38,000 gun related deaths in the US each year, with other research suggesting having a gun in the home is related to a 2.7 or 4.8 fold increase in the risk of a member of that home dying from homicide or suicide, respectively.

Link to study and more here

Makes sense. inb4 butthurt

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#2 Posted by indzman (27735 posts) -

irrelevant to topic but somewhere relevant overall =P

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#3 Edited by thegerg (18397 posts) -

What is "symbolic racism"?

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#4 Edited by Flubbbs (4948 posts) -

what a stupid article.. When commies do a study they always get the results they need to support their Marxist agenda.

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#5 Posted by The-Apostle (12195 posts) -

lol, no...

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#6 Posted by toast_burner (24932 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

what a stupid article.. When commies do a study they always get the results they need to support their Marxist agenda.

I'm not seeing the connection to Marxism.

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#7 Posted by Barbariser (6785 posts) -

Monash is a fairly well regarded university, so I guess I can consider this study credible. The correlation itself is quite believable. They should probably do more of them though.

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#8 Edited by thebest31406 (3775 posts) -
@thegerg said:

What is "symbolic racism"?

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0077552

Read the study and find out.

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#9 Edited by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

A new study finds higher levels of racism in white Americans is associated with having a gun in the home and greater opposition to gun control policies.

After accounting for numerous other factors such as income, education, and political ideology, the researchers found that for each one point increase (on a scale from one to five) in symbolic racism there was a 50 percent increase in the odds of having a gun in the home and a 28 percent increase in support for policies allowing people to carry concealed guns.

Each one point increase in symbolic racism (a modern measure of anti-black racism) was also associated with a 27 percent increase in the odds of opposing bans on hand guns in the home. After accounting for those who already had a gun in the home, the odds were reduced to a non-significant 17 percent increase. However, the authors note that this reduction is unsurprising as opposition to bans on guns equates to self interest on behalf of those who already own a gun and do not wish to give it up.

And racism was already strongly associated with having a gun in the home.

The research, published in PLoS One, was stimulated by gun control debates in the US after mass shootings such as the Sandy Hook tragedy, and research showing black Americans are more likely to be shot than whites.

The most recent figures show there are approximately 38,000 gun related deaths in the US each year, with other research suggesting having a gun in the home is related to a 2.7 or 4.8 fold increase in the risk of a member of that home dying from homicide or suicide, respectively.

Link to study and more here

Makes sense. inb4 butthurt

stop lying, captain tinfoil hat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvAXBEDz2yo

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#10 Posted by LJS9502_basic (163066 posts) -

I call BS on that study.....

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#11 Posted by deeliman (3803 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

I call BS on that study.....

The comprehensive argument you just made that was backed up with facts totally convinced me that the study is BS.

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#12 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (4889 posts) -

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

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#13 Posted by JML897 (33134 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

what a stupid article.. When commies do a study they always get the results they need to support their Marxist agenda.

@The-Apostle said:

lol, no...

@LJS9502_basic said:

I call BS on that study.....

These three have me convinced. Study debunked.

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#14 Posted by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

you speak as though being conservative is a bad thing. what doctrine of lies has led you to believe such things?

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#15 Edited by LJS9502_basic (163066 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

I call BS on that study.....

The comprehensive argument you just made that was backed up with facts totally convinced me that the study is BS.

Not to burst your bubble but I really don't give a **** what you believe about that study.

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#16 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30446 posts) -

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

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#17 Posted by dave123321 (35354 posts) -

Doesn't the study account for political ideology

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#18 Posted by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

They did it within a 95% confidence interval, which means it's a valid study. People who "have a problem with it" can disagree with the science all they want; they should make their own study if they think it's wrong.

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#19 Posted by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@dave123321 said:

Doesn't the study account for political ideology

Yep: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0077552#abstract0

That's the actual study, not an article about the study.

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#20 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30446 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

They did it within a 95% confidence interval, which means it's a valid study. People who "have a problem with it" can disagree with the science all they want; they should make their own study if they think it's wrong.

Protip: don't bother. The stubborn stay stubborn so they can enjoy living in ignorance.

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#21 Edited by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them. Anyone speaking to the contrary or spreading differing political ideologies is in sedition and is committing treason.

get ready for prison camp, asshole.

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#22 Edited by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them.

I'd like to see where in the Bill of Rights it says our rights are God-given.

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#23 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30446 posts) -

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them. Anyone speaking to the contrary or spreading differing political ideologies is in sedition and is committing treason.

get ready for prison camp, asshole.

LOL

you are dumb as fvck, pls go away

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#24 Edited by Renevent42 (6654 posts) -

"Symbolic racism is also related to stronger opposition to policies that may benefit black Americans, such as welfare, and greater support for policies that seem to disadvantage black Americans, such as longer prison sentences."

So if I understand this correctly...if I were oppose welfare/longer prison sentences that means I would be considered symbolically racist in this study?

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#25 Posted by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them. Anyone speaking to the contrary or spreading differing political ideologies is in sedition and is committing treason.

get ready for prison camp, asshole.

LOL

you are dumb as fvck, pls go away

Wait, hold on, he may have a point. Take a look at this Bible verse:

"And the LORD gave unto Moses the Kalashnikov, and said unto him, 'Go down into the Valley of Canaan, and blow them motherfuckers heads off, for they done goofed. I am the LORD.'

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#26 Edited by deeliman (3803 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@deeliman said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

I call BS on that study.....

The comprehensive argument you just made that was backed up with facts totally convinced me that the study is BS.

Not to burst your bubble but I really don't give a **** what you believe about that study.

Where have I claimed you did?

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#27 Edited by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them. Anyone speaking to the contrary or spreading differing political ideologies is in sedition and is committing treason.

get ready for prison camp, asshole.

LOL

you are dumb as fvck, pls go away

gonna be fun throwing you (and all the other assholes like you) into our prison camps.

can't wait! good times coming soon!

http://kickthemallout.com/images/Misc/FEMACampsGoogleMap.jpg

enjoy!

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#28 Edited by BranKetra (51726 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them.

I'd like to see where in the Bill of Rights it says our rights are God-given.

Why refer to the Bill of Rights when it was first stated in the Declaration of Independence?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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#29 Edited by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

@BranKetra said:

@Makhaidos said:

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them.

I'd like to see where in the Bill of Rights it says our rights are God-given.

Why refer to the Bill of Rights when it was first stated in the Declaration of Independence?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

the unalienable rights spoken of in the declaration of independence are defined in the bill of rights, genius.

get your head out of your heiny and learn something.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/23/What-Did-Thomas-Jefferson-Mean-By-Unalienable-Rights

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#30 Edited by deeliman (3803 posts) -

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them. Anyone speaking to the contrary or spreading differing political ideologies is in sedition and is committing treason.

get ready for prison camp, asshole.

LOL

you are dumb as fvck, pls go away

gonna be fun throwing you (and all the other assholes like you) into our prison camps.

can't wait! good times coming soon!

http://kickthemallout.com/images/Misc/FEMACampsGoogleMap.jpg

enjoy!

You're trying too hard.

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#32 Edited by BranKetra (51726 posts) -

@buccomatic said:

@BranKetra said:

@Makhaidos said:

@buccomatic said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

What you think and reality are two separate things.

The rights we have are God given rights and are non-negotiable. Even if they were "racist" (which they aren't) that would not negate them.

I'd like to see where in the Bill of Rights it says our rights are God-given.

Why refer to the Bill of Rights when it was first stated in the Declaration of Independence?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

the unalienable rights spoken of in the declaration of independence are defined in the bill of rights, genius.

get your head out of your heiny and learn something.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/23/What-Did-Thomas-Jefferson-Mean-By-Unalienable-Rights

I do not know where your hostility is coming from. Calm down.

Actually, I am aware of that. I again say why refer to the Bill of Rights when natural rights given by our "Creator" a.k.a. God were first mentioned earlier in history. The United States Declaration of Independence, its Constitution, and Bill of Rights are all parts of the same government. Thus, the order in which its central ideas were written should be considered important.

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#33 Edited by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

in other news. the same people who think that gun U.S. gun ownership is linked to racism are the same people that don't know why they're protesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWfGKt0aZLI

"news" brought to you in HD by lew, jewman. who is the brother of heimy, jewman. he's the guy who owns the tv station and was protecting his crooked brother, bernard madoff, on wall street. oh! they're also the people that believe "gunz r bad mmkay." these are the same people that think hunting is bad because it "hurts bambi" and "gun free zones will keep criminals away and people safe" even though criminals don't care about, or follow, laws.

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#34 Posted by BranKetra (51726 posts) -

Ignoring my response

Stay classy.

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#35 Posted by limpbizkit818 (15044 posts) -

@Renevent42 said:

"Symbolic racism is also related to stronger opposition to policies that may benefit black Americans, such as welfare, and greater support for policies that seem to disadvantage black Americans, such as longer prison sentences."

So if I understand this correctly...if I were oppose welfare/longer prison sentences that means I would be considered symbolically racist in this study?

Yup. The article assumes it is in the self-interest of low income whites to support welfare, an assertion that makes little sense. Their sources "predicted Whites' opposition to policies designed to help Blacks". The sources are locked behind pay walls, but I am sure they included affirmative action under "policies designed to help Blacks" which one can easily oppose without racist undertones.

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#36 Posted by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

who created this "study"? was it the worlds most racist organization? you know the one. the one who only promotes members of one race and excludes all others, the NAACP?

al sharpton was just on tv saying something about this. so yeah, racism is definitely involved here.

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#37 Posted by 0Hamburgher (957 posts) -

@toast_burner: He's saying that the commies want to grab his guns so that he will be defenseless.

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#38 Edited by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

i think i'm going to create a "study", post it on the internet and then declare it as gospel.

libs will believe anything

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#39 Posted by toast_burner (24932 posts) -

@0Hamburgher said:

@toast_burner: He's saying that the commies want to grab his guns so that he will be defenseless.

Which makes no sense.

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#40 Edited by RAGEofSTUNTS (733 posts) -

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#41 Posted by WiiCubeM1 (4735 posts) -

So the fact that I have this is my room makes me a racist? Dang...

This comes down to one of the most basic rules of argument. Correlation does not mean causation. Not all gun owners are racist. Not all racists support gun ownership. This is a relatively pointless study.

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#42 Edited by chessmaster1989 (30204 posts) -

Their definition of racism is pretty awful.

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#43 Posted by DarthLefein (55 posts) -

All the communist countries have private gun ownership. There were reindeer hunters in the Soviet Union. The Chinese shoot deer.

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#44 Posted by dave123321 (35354 posts) -

Chessmaster is correct

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#45 Posted by Chutebox (43463 posts) -

Guess I need a gun.

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#46 Posted by lowkey254 (5965 posts) -

@deeliman: Lol, that made me laugh.

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#47 Posted by Braun_Roid_Rage (790 posts) -

That article was entertaining stuff haha.

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#48 Posted by whipassmt (15375 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

duh, people who are pro gun are more conservative, and the more guns they have, odds are they are even more conservative.

and the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to be racist.

Yup. You said what we were all thinking.

Also, the Second Amendment is pretty much a vigilante amendment and historically those groups are racist.

The Green Arrow is a vigilante and he's good friends with a black guy.

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#49 Posted by HuggyBear1020 (467 posts) -

Correlation does not equal causation. I own a rifle and a shotgun and don't have a single racist bone in my body.

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#50 Posted by whipassmt (15375 posts) -

what about blacks who own guns are they more or less likely to be racist?