Im not hating on **** people but...

I just dont see how they can be "born" gay you choose what you want to like, its not a gene in your body to tell you "ok we like the same sex"

anyone agree?

No I don't.

Genetics dude. They actually can decide your sexual orientation.

I just dont see how they can be "born" gay you choose what you want to like, its not a gene in your body to tell you "ok we like the same sex"

anyone agree?

cee1gee

So did you choose to like the oposite sex, TC? Was it a consious decision?

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I just dont see how they can be "born" gay you choose what you want to like, its not a gene in your body to tell you "ok we like the same sex"

anyone agree?

black_cat19

So did you choose to like the oposite sex, TC? Was it a consious decision?

No. All evidence is pointing towards an inherited trait. I don't believe people woke up one day and flipped a coin to decide if they would find men or women attractive.

They've done studies and this unnamed "homosexuality" trait (that is often referenced) is much more clustered in families.

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I just dont see how they can be "born" gay you choose what you want to like, its not a gene in your body to tell you "ok we like the same sex"

anyone agree?

cee1gee

So did you choose to like the oposite sex, TC? Was it a consious decision?

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

So did you choose to like the oposite sex, TC? Was it a consious decision?

Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="cee1gee"] it is instinct, i didnt have to think about it, it is naturalcee1gee

Whether they were born gay or not is debatable, but all gays will tell you that they did not make a conscious decision to be gay and its not something they can willfully change. Tauruslink

I don't see why people can't accept this concept.

As a straight guy I could not imagine myself having sex with another man. I can admit if a guy is handsome and everything, but gay sex is a total turnoff for me and of course I just feel this immense poll to beautiful girls that is indescribable (I think everyone here knows what I am talking about. There are times where you would do anything to be with a person).

With gay people I see it as a simple change in that gene. Instead of being directed to the opposite sex they find themselves drawn to their own sex.

I also have to bring up the very valid point that in the world we live in now why in God's name would anyone CHOOSE to be gay It does absolutely nothing but complicate your life with the struggles the gay community faces in out society.

Oh and lets not forget what happened in the 50's where they treated gayness as a mental illness and tried numerous therapies to cure people of being gay none of which were successfull in the least.

No! Did you ever have a crush on someone? Did you choose that person? Or did the feelings just happen? Think about it... why would anyone "choose" to be gay?

Still there's no explanation on this issue ^^.. maybe it's their choice.. to be gay ^^

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Whether they were born gay or not is debatable, but all gays will tell you that they did not make a conscious decision to be gay and its not something they can willfully change. cee1gee

No! Did you ever have a crush on someone? Did you choose that person? Or did the feelings just happen? Think about it... why would anyone "choose" to be gay?

MJoanne

He's just arguing that you aren't born that way.

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Whether they were born gay or not is debatable, but all gays will tell you that they did not make a conscious decision to be gay and its not something they can willfully change. cee1gee

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I just dont see how they can be "born" gay you choose what you want to like, its not a gene in your body to tell you "ok we like the same sex"

anyone agree?

cee1gee

So did you choose to like the oposite sex, TC? Was it a consious decision?

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Whether they were born gay or not is debatable, but all gays will tell you that they did not make a conscious decision to be gay and its not something they can willfully change. Saturos3091

No! Did you ever have a crush on someone? Did you choose that person? Or did the feelings just happen? Think about it... why would anyone "choose" to be gay?

MJoanne

this seems odd considering all your religion threads. Don't you think God is behind all things? If so then why do you think it's impossible to be born gay?

Also more importantly consider this question,have you ever chosen to be attracted to somebody?

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Whether they were born gay or not is debatable, but all gays will tell you that they did not make a conscious decision to be gay and its not something they can willfully change. cee1gee

A lot of people repress their homosexuality to try to fit in and go to great lengths to do so, even hooking up with someone of the opposite sex. Eventually they cannot repress who they are and embrace (or at least acknowledge) their homosexuality.

In addition, some people are "confused" about their sexuality, especially at a young age when their sex drive has not fully kicked in, because society tells them that they should like the opposite sex, while their bodies hint at same sex attraction. This can lead to people initially thinking they are straight, and then realizing they are actually gay.

At any rate, human sexuality is something complex and not fully understood. Why are some people gay We do not know for sure yet; but what is certain is that it is not a choice.

this seems odd considering all your religion threads. Don't you think God is behind all things? If so then why do you think it's impossible to be born gay?

Also more importantly consider this question,have you ever chosen to be attracted to somebody?

Serraph105

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="cee1gee"] i was born not knowing anything until i got older and instinct kicked insmc91352

Concepts like monogamy or Western standards of beauty are learnt, not instinctual. Look at Victorian notions of beauty (the corsette for example). People found that innately beautiful; we don't. They were born instinctually with that lust, it was learnt.

But that's exactly what he's arguing. Its a psychological and not a genetic thing.

I'm straight but it wasn't a decision. It's just the way I am. Now if it was predetermined from the day I was born I don't know but I certainly didn't choose my sexual orientation.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"] No, it didn't. We're conditioned to be attracted to several things which aren't strictly natural.

Concepts like monogamy or Western standards of beauty are learnt, not instinctual. Look at Victorian notions of beauty (the corsette for example). People found that innately beautiful; we don't. They were born instinctually with that lust, it was learnt.Danm_999

But that's exactly what he's arguing. Its a psychological and not a genetic thing.

because of his surroundings. not because of birth.

gay people have that instinct because of their surroundings.

He's not arguing that gay-ness isn't natural; he's just saying genetics have nothing to do with it.

I don't completely buy the genetics argument, I think it can play into it but I don't think that's the only factor, but that doesn't mean it's a choice per se. There are many environmental factors that contribute to our psychological, social, and sexual development. I guess some people worry that some sort of social eugenics argument could be formed off of that, but these things aren't always things that you can just, "tweak." In Fruedian theory, for example, relationships with figures like your parents shape who you are. As a parent you could try to not raise a homosexual, but there are so many factors that parents aren't always in total control of and probably never could be in total control of so as to make such an insane idea as social eugenics, thankfully, unfeasible.

To address the TC a little more directly, everyone is born with certain urges. Why do male monkeys hump other male monkeys? It's not because of a need to procreate, it doesn't seem to be because of any social factors, it just seems to be an instinct, although not a universal one. Why do you like the foods you like? I guess in some ways environment contributes to it as you're probably going to develop a taste for the foods you eat on a regular basis, but have you ever tried something and just not liked it? Would you say that you didn't like it because you were socialized not to like it? I wouldn't think so. Homosexuality is a choice insofar as one can choose to repress their feelings or not, same as you could choose to eat a food you absolutely detested, but many times we cannot choose the base impulses that guide us, we can only choose how we let those impulses affect us.

im comparing the fact that if its a gene problem, it would of happened since birth, not to whatever age they starting preferringcee1gee

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Whether they were born gay or not is debatable, but all gays will tell you that they did not make a conscious decision to be gay and its not something they can willfully change. Tauruslink

A lot of people repress their homosexuality to try to fit in and go to great lengths to do so, even hooking up with someone of the opposite sex.

Great story concerning this. I know a gay guy who at one point in his life did attempt to try to play it straight and went to bed with a girl.

He ended up vomiting on her:lol:

If that isn't proof of how ingrained these things are into our genes and how little control we have over them, then I have no idea what is.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="smc91352"]

But that's exactly what he's arguing. Its a psychological and not a genetic thing.

smc91352

because of his surroundings. not because of birth.

gay people have that instinct because of their surroundings.

He's not arguing that gay-ness isn't natural; he's just saying genetics have nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE="cee1gee"] im comparing the fact that if its a gene problem, it would of happened since birth, not to whatever age they starting preferringSaturos3091

Yes we do tend to develope "types" that we go after.

I actually had a friend tell me (after I showed her a picture of the girl I had been chasing after) that she swears I have a tendency to go for girls who all had a similar face.

You will notice to how some people can unfortunately get stuck in and endless number of volitile relationships. Even when they try and change they can still find themselves ending up in the same sort of scenario over and over again....

[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"] again, were you born straight?Danm_999

I don't know that either position can claim superiority, people have been arguing about just such issues for centuries.

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"] so what about the people who liked the opposite sex at first, then felt the urge for the same sex, is that the genes? ofcourse not, because they would of been with the same sex from the startLostProphetFLCL

A lot of people repress their homosexuality to try to fit in and go to great lengths to do so, even hooking up with someone of the opposite sex.

Great story concerning this. I know a gay guy who at one point in his life did attempt to try to play it straight and went to bed with a girl.

He ended up vomiting on her:lol:

If that isn't proof of how ingrained these things are into our genes and how little control we have over them, then I have no idea what is.

[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] He's arguing that his attraction to women was instinct.Danm_999

because of his surroundings. not because of birth.

gay people have that instinct because of their surroundings.

He's not arguing that gay-ness isn't natural; he's just saying genetics have nothing to do with it.

well then that's what you should've started with; not "did you choose to be straight?"

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"] so what about the people who liked the opposite sex at first, then felt the urge for the same sex, is that the genes? ofcourse not, because they would of been with the same sex from the startLostProphetFLCL

A lot of people repress their homosexuality to try to fit in and go to great lengths to do so, even hooking up with someone of the opposite sex.

Great story concerning this. I know a gay guy who at one point in his life did attempt to try to play it straight and went to bed with a girl.

He ended up vomiting on her:lol:

If that isn't proof of how ingrained these things are into our genes and how little control we have over them, then I have no idea what is.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="cee1gee"] i was born not knowing anything until i got older and instinct kicked intheone86

I don't know that either position can claim superiority, people have been arguing about just such issues for centuries.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="smc91352"]

because of his surroundings. not because of birth.

gay people have that instinct because of their surroundings.

He's not arguing that gay-ness isn't natural; he's just saying genetics have nothing to do with it.

smc91352

well then that's what you should've started with; not "did you choose to be straight?"

[QUOTE="smc91352"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Genetics? The jury may be out on that one. However, there are several empirical studies done on how biology affects sexual preference.Danm_999

well then that's what you should've started with; not "did you choose to be straight?"

oh..sorry.

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"] so what about the people who liked the opposite sex at first, then felt the urge for the same sex, is that the genes? ofcourse not, because they would of been with the same sex from the startLostProphetFLCL

A lot of people repress their homosexuality to try to fit in and go to great lengths to do so, even hooking up with someone of the opposite sex.

Great story concerning this. I know a gay guy who at one point in his life did attempt to try to play it straight and went to bed with a girl.

He ended up vomiting on her:lol:

If that isn't proof of how ingrained these things are into our genes and how little control we have over them, then I have no idea what is.

Not necessarily, try eating something you find really disgusting but that others might find completely normal. When I was young someone brought squid to school and some kids liked it, one vomited it up. Does that mean he's genetically predisposed against squid? Not necessarily. I'm not saying there isn't research to suggest that genetics and biology don't play a part in it, although there is still not much substantial research on genetics, I'm just saying your example doesn't necessarily prove genetic involvement.