If Adam and Eve were white, where do Black people come from?

If the Bible says that God made Adam out of dust and Eve out of one of his ribs then it's not that far-fetched that somewhere down the line to assume people changed races. The Tower of Babel was the cause of us speaking different languages if you believe the Bible. Before anybody asks why God stopped the Tower from being built but isn't stopping skyscrapers or space shuttles it is because of the intent. The people building the tower built it specifically to get to Heaven while people are building buildings today for more space and launching shuttles to explore the universe.

These topics never end well, it always ends up with about four or five Christians ganged up on by about ten or fifteen Atheists on why their beliefs are stupid. Contrary to popular belief, most modern Christians don't take the entire Bible literally 100% and I've never had a competent religious figure tell me the Earth was only 6,000 years old. I never even had one deny the dinosaurs existed. Yeah, there are a few people who are off their rockers, like the WBC and the KKK. But they shouldn't represent all Christians just like rational people don't let al Qaeda represent all Muslims.

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You shrug off that most Americans don't take the Bible serious. But what about the minority that do? Like the sitting members of Congress and our past and potential presidents?

You shrug off that most Americans don't take the Bible serious. But what about the minority that do? Like the sitting members of Congress and our past and potential presidents?

Blue-Sky

I can't control what other people think. All you can do is vote for people who you agree with and unfortunately for some Atheists, almost all politicians claim to be Christian since in today's day and age it would be nearly impossible for an Atheist candidate to win. How far into the religion they are will vary by person, I doubt President Obama is as religious as Senator Bachmann. Maybe in 30-50 years when the current generation of kids who are more into being Atheist are running for president they'll have a better chance of being elected.

When we've answered this one, can we nail down how Noah fit at least ten million animals into a boat?Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="poptart"]

The thing is Adam and Eve both had like loooooads of excess DNA - God already thought of that. And they also lived for over 1000 years and had 900 children of all shapes, sizes and colours of the rainbow.

poptart

Well, that's true - I don't know much about biology. I don't know much about science book. I don't know much about the French I took.

But I do know that I could be right. Of course there's no real evidence for it, however it is scientific fact.

:lol: awesome. havent heard that song in a long ass time.

I'm Christian and was under the impression that Adam and Eve were dark. You have to realize the people in areas of the middle east today have lightened over the years by mating with others with lighter skin. Most people had a darker look to them.

All religion is heavily flawed. What religion tries to do is pass it self of as science which is why most religions peeked and were CREATED thousands of years ago... we know better know and should move on. Don't you find it funny when people laugh at Norse mythology and go and pray compassionately to a guy born of a virgin that died and came back to life and who is in fact "GODS" son. Sometimes I don't know if I should laugh or just cry.Grey_Eyed_Elf

[QUOTE="mayceV"]so.... tell me religious christians, if the earth is 10,000 years old, wait how old did you say? 6000? ok, 6000, why is it that Noah's arc happened well over 15,000 years ago? The universes age is only known by God putting a number on it is impossible and definetly not anything under 12 billion years. Evolution is real. God says that Human didn't come from animals that they were created alone seperately. And so far there are missing links in the Humans from Monkey's thing meaning the theory is just that. A theory.jshaas

When we've answered this one, can we nail down how Noah fit at least ten million animals into a boat?Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]

If the Bible says that God made Adam out of dust and Eve out of one of his ribs then it's not that far-fetched that somewhere down the line to assume people changed races. The Tower of Babel was the cause of us speaking different languages if you believe the Bible. Before anybody asks why God stopped the Tower from being built but isn't stopping skyscrapers or space shuttles it is because of the intent. The people building the tower built it specifically to get to Heaven while people are building buildings today for more space and launching shuttles to explore the universe.

These topics never end well, it always ends up with about four or five Christians ganged up on by about ten or fifteen Atheists on why their beliefs are stupid. Contrary to popular belief, most modern Christians don't take the entire Bible literally 100% and I've never had a competent religious figure tell me the Earth was only 6,000 years old. I never even had one deny the dinosaurs existed. Yeah, there are a few people who are off their rockers, like the WBC and the KKK. But they shouldn't represent all Christians just like rational people don't let al Qaeda represent all Muslims.

Blue-Sky

You shrug off that most Americans don't take the Bible serious. But what about the minority that do? Like the sitting members of Congress and our past and potential presidents?

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"] About 50% of Americans believe in creationism and politicians are trying to put the stuff into science class....Blue-Sky

Actually, only 40% of Americans believe in Evolution. It's not the lastest poll, he's not far off. Evolution is not the majority opinion.

Also, the Adam and Eve story is received as a literal story because it provides the basis for Christianity. since it was Eve that committed the original Sin that angered Yahweh throughout the old testament and barred all Humans from entering Heaven until Jesus sacrificed himself cleansing the world of the original sin that Eve created.

Judo-Christians have claimed that the earth is only 6,000 years old and since the Bible only pertains to the humans of the middle eastern region, it's save to assume that the ancient Hebrews were closely designed in the image of Yahweh. "The Chosen race"

Evolution supports the claim that Homo sapians originated from Africa. It has taken 50,000 years for our dark skinned ancestors to develop lighter skin as they migrate to Asian and European continents. Light skin, blue eyes, blond hair are actually the recessive genes due to thousands of generations of genetic mutation. Different races are the result of evolution traits based on the environment.

The reason why I ask about Black people vice other races is because humans of African ancestry have the most dominant genes in all of human history.

If you're religious and don't understand evolution, then please share what you personally believe on the origin of dark-skinned humans.

Blue-Sky

Another question. If we're all descended from 2 people, how are we not all inbreds suffering from mental retardation and gene mutation? But before you start, I'm not an atheist or agnostic, I do believe in God, just not the bible's version of events.Sunfyre7896

When it comes to religion people can easily say that God changed the effects of something to suit what new rule in put in place. In the OT days you could have several wives without issue (wonder how they dealt with jealousy issues if one wife was getting laid more than the others) but later it was changed that you can only have one wife in most versions of Christianity.

One theory would be that after a few generations God just said no more inbreeding and made it that further inbreeding would cause ill effects from that point on. It's not inconceivable that God can't change something like that. Going back to the story of Noah, humans could live for hundreds of years but after the Great Flood human lifespans rapidly decreased until they came down to 120 years or less.

I'm not saying any of what I just posted was fact, it is just a theory to explain why inbreeding wasn't a problem back then if you believe the story of the Garden of Eden.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

We'd have almost zero genetic variation if the Adam and Eve story were true. There is no way mankind originated from Adam and Eve, just look at our DNA.

The world is 6000 years old. 4000 years ago we had the first chinese dynasty. ~4500 years ago we had evidence of Mayans. And oh course there is Europeans caucasian and african americans.

That means within 2000 years, there were enough genetic variation to makes different races throughout the entire world. Enough to have these races isolated as the predominant race in their regions. And plus we are starting with 2 people. Impossible. ZERO chance.

poptart

The thing is Adam and Eve both had like loooooads of excess DNA - God already thought of that. And they also lived for over 1000 years and had 900 children of all shapes, sizes and colours of the rainbow.

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

We'd have almost zero genetic variation if the Adam and Eve story were true. There is no way mankind originated from Adam and Eve, just look at our DNA.

The world is 6000 years old. 4000 years ago we had the first chinese dynasty. ~4500 years ago we had evidence of Mayans. And oh course there is Europeans caucasian and african americans.

That means within 2000 years, there were enough genetic variation to makes different races throughout the entire world. Enough to have these races isolated as the predominant race in their regions. And plus we are starting with 2 people. Impossible. ZERO chance.

shadowchronicle

The thing is Adam and Eve both had like loooooads of excess DNA - God already thought of that. And they also lived for over 1000 years and had 900 children of all shapes, sizes and colours of the rainbow.

Yeah it was proper magic - just like when Jesus turned bread into wine.

Obviously, either you interpret the story of Genesis to be figurative, and you think it is false.

No rational way to have a literal interpretation of Genesis.

That is, unless we are talking about the Sega Genesis. It can be interpreted literally AND figuratively. It was that awesome.

Blue_Shield

Viewing the story as figurative or watered-down does not make it false. It makes it a story that has been interpreted and translated several times.

Last time I checked Adam and Eve, Jesus, Moses etc etc was of Middle Eastern skin tone...MgamerBD

[QUOTE="Blue_Shield"]

Obviously, either you interpret the story of Genesis to be figurative, and you think it is false.

No rational way to have a literal interpretation of Genesis.

That is, unless we are talking about the Sega Genesis. It can be interpreted literally AND figuratively. It was that awesome.

hartsickdiscipl

Viewing the story as figurative or watered-down does not make it false. It makes it a story that has been interpreted and translated several times.

You all know what this means, we're going to get a straight answer to this question. It's quite simple really, Occam's Razor, simplest explanation

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

The Decider did it.

ok i never read the post but the title,what makes you think adam and eve were white to begin with??

[QUOTE="jshaas"][QUOTE="mayceV"]so.... tell me religious christians, if the earth is 10,000 years old, wait how old did you say? 6000? ok, 6000, why is it that Noah's arc happened well over 15,000 years ago? The universes age is only known by God putting a number on it is impossible and definetly not anything under 12 billion years. Evolution is real. God says that Human didn't come from animals that they were created alone seperately. And so far there are missing links in the Humans from Monkey's thing meaning the theory is just that. A theory.mayceV

sorry, just drop by to say this is a very ignorant question, because you know black people are the only other race out there. Also if you would learn how science and biology works TC, if i dropped off a white couple in Africa and they lived there and had kids and all that, their future future generation would adapt to africas climate, with darker skin and very short hair. Should have been paying attention in science class

The Prophet Mohammed was illiterate. He couldn't read or write, as was much of his court. So much of the Prophets Divine Scripture was recited orally and spread through the region orally as well. It wasn't until years after his death that The Prophets divine revelations were written down and this was after a generation of oral recitation. Anyone that has played the game were you pass a secret around the circle as a kid knows that no matter how well meaning or accurate you try to be, mistakes can be made with oral traditions. However I do believe in the Prophets station as a Manifestation of Gods will on Earth. The things he accomplished on Earth are nothing short of miraculous and amazing. He managed as a humble Merchant to Unite the entire Middle East, which beforehand was nothing but a warring, tribal, nomadic region, consisting of conquering barbarians and small wandering tribes. An achievement few have matched in history.Nuck81

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Not without some big holes.

hartsickdiscipl

One man's magic is another man's science. Things that appear to be supernatural are often just examples of science that we can't yet explain.

sorry, just drop by to say this is a very ignorant question, because you know black people are the only other race out there. Also if you would learn how science and biology works TC, if i dropped off a white couple in Africa and they lived there and had kids and all that, their future future generation would adapt to africas climate, with darker skin and very short hair. Should have been paying attention in science class

Chris_Williams

I'd like to see that theory actually proven. To truly prove it, you'd have to show it as repeatable. Take some blonde, blue-eyed, European-featured people and put them in Africa. There are much bigger differences between black and white people than just their skin color. There are differences in musculature and facial structure as well. This isn't a simple case of dropping a white couple off in Africa and letting them procreate for a few generations. There's a lot more going on here than the kids being born with a nice tan down the road.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Thuganomic05"] Regardless - magically doing stuff does not exist and never will. That's a fact. Someone can't wave their hand in a blind man's face and all of a sudden he can see again.

Human-after-all

One man's magic is another man's science. Things that appear to be supernatural are often just examples of science that we can't yet explain.

If you were visiting a foreign planet, you would work with the resources at your disposal on that planet. You wouldn't necessarily be able to do things the way you did at home and recreate your own civilization and technology. If you were trying to build something lasting, stone would also be an excellent choice.. as is evidenced by the fact that many of these structures are still here today.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

One man's magic is another man's science. Things that appear to be supernatural are often just examples of science that we can't yet explain.

hartsickdiscipl

If you were visiting a foreign planet, you would work with the resources at your disposal on that planet. You wouldn't necessarily be able to do things the way you did at home and recreate your own civilization and technology. If you were trying to build something lasting, stone would also be an excellent choice.. as is evidenced by the fact that many of these structures are still here today.

I still can't believe people actually buy this..

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] Ancient astronauts building temples and pyramids out of stone yet they can travel vast distances of space without much trouble? Sounds laughable at the very least. sSubZerOo

If you were visiting a foreign planet, you would work with the resources at your disposal on that planet. You wouldn't necessarily be able to do things the way you did at home and recreate your own civilization and technology. If you were trying to build something lasting, stone would also be an excellent choice.. as is evidenced by the fact that many of these structures are still here today.

I still can't believe people actually buy this..

I still can't believe people don't.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

If you were visiting a foreign planet, you would work with the resources at your disposal on that planet. You wouldn't necessarily be able to do things the way you did at home and recreate your own civilization and technology. If you were trying to build something lasting, stone would also be an excellent choice.. as is evidenced by the fact that many of these structures are still here today.

hartsickdiscipl

I still can't believe people actually buy this..

I still can't believe people don't.

Yep.. Right.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]The Prophet Mohammed was illiterate. He couldn't read or write, as was much of his court. So much of the Prophets Divine Scripture was recited orally and spread through the region orally as well. It wasn't until years after his death that The Prophets divine revelations were written down and this was after a generation of oral recitation. Anyone that has played the game were you pass a secret around the circle as a kid knows that no matter how well meaning or accurate you try to be, mistakes can be made with oral traditions. However I do believe in the Prophets station as a Manifestation of Gods will on Earth. The things he accomplished on Earth are nothing short of miraculous and amazing. He managed as a humble Merchant to Unite the entire Middle East, which beforehand was nothing but a warring, tribal, nomadic region, consisting of conquering barbarians and small wandering tribes. An achievement few have matched in history.dsmccracken

Judo-Christians have claimed that the earth is only 6,000 years old and since the Bible only pertains to the humans of the middle eastern region, it's save to assume that the ancient Hebrews were closely designed in the image of Yahweh. "The Chosen race"

Evolution supports the claim that Homo sapians originated from Africa. It has taken 50,000 years for our dark skinned ancestors to develop lighter skin as they migrate to Asian and European continents. Light skin, blue eyes, blond hair are actually the recessive genes due to thousands of generations of genetic mutation. Different races are the result of evolution traits based on the environment.

The reason why I ask about Black people vice other races is because humans of African ancestry have the most dominant genes in all of human history.

If you're religious and don't understand evolution, then please share what you personally believe on the origin of dark-skinned humans.

Blue-Sky

So people that were in a different tribe could have been black people, asians, russians, middle east, white or whatever type of race I guess.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

One man's magic is another man's science. Things that appear to be supernatural are often just examples of science that we can't yet explain.

hartsickdiscipl

If you were visiting a foreign planet, you would work with the resources at your disposal on that planet. You wouldn't necessarily be able to do things the way you did at home and recreate your own civilization and technology. If you were trying to build something lasting, stone would also be an excellent choice.. as is evidenced by the fact that many of these structures are still here today.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

If you were visiting a foreign planet, you would work with the resources at your disposal on that planet. You wouldn't necessarily be able to do things the way you did at home and recreate your own civilization and technology. If you were trying to build something lasting, stone would also be an excellent choice.. as is evidenced by the fact that many of these structures are still here today.

hartsickdiscipl

I still can't believe people actually buy this..

I still can't believe people don't.

Yeah, how can you not believe this Sub? What do you think is more likely, this:

Or this:

I don't believe there is any account for Adam and Eve's skin tone...Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]The Prophet Mohammed was illiterate. He couldn't read or write, as was much of his court. So much of the Prophets Divine Scripture was recited orally and spread through the region orally as well. It wasn't until years after his death that The Prophets divine revelations were written down and this was after a generation of oral recitation. Anyone that has played the game were you pass a secret around the circle as a kid knows that no matter how well meaning or accurate you try to be, mistakes can be made with oral traditions. However I do believe in the Prophets station as a Manifestation of Gods will on Earth. The things he accomplished on Earth are nothing short of miraculous and amazing. He managed as a humble Merchant to Unite the entire Middle East, which beforehand was nothing but a warring, tribal, nomadic region, consisting of conquering barbarians and small wandering tribes. An achievement few have matched in history.dsmccracken

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]I don't believe there is any account for Adam and Eve's skin tone...ristactionjakso

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]I don't believe there is any account for Adam and Eve's skin tone...ristactionjakso

Yes, the great flood in which a hobbled old man built an enourmous ark that housed two of every species and his family. Then after this those two animals from every speci and his small fmaily were able to repopulate the earth without running into problems of inbreeding and genetic defects. Also, this still begs the question of if we're all descended from an extremely small group fo ancestors with no racial variance how modern humans have racial variance.

God put magic stuff in us that made us change color later on.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]The Prophet Mohammed was illiterate. He couldn't read or write, as was much of his court. So much of the Prophets Divine Scripture was recited orally and spread through the region orally as well. It wasn't until years after his death that The Prophets divine revelations were written down and this was after a generation of oral recitation. Anyone that has played the game were you pass a secret around the circle as a kid knows that no matter how well meaning or accurate you try to be, mistakes can be made with oral traditions. However I do believe in the Prophets station as a Manifestation of Gods will on Earth. The things he accomplished on Earth are nothing short of miraculous and amazing. He managed as a humble Merchant to Unite the entire Middle East, which beforehand was nothing but a warring, tribal, nomadic region, consisting of conquering barbarians and small wandering tribes. An achievement few have matched in history.BranKetra

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] I have to disagree here. Research shows that oral traditions prove to be remarkably accurate. These are often practiced by essentially professionals, not children playing a game. Research on the Iliad, for instance, itself once an oral tradition, showed that similar oral traditions carried and passed on by bards showed very little of the "broken telephone" effect you refer to.dsmccracken

There's still variance. The flood is case in point, scholars have identified at least two wholly distinct versions of the flood tale. The people that wrote the Bible were many different groups of scribes, all of whom had heard different versions of the same tales passed down from different oral traditions. Even after these tales are written down you have scholars deciding which ones are really authentic and which ones are not, and this is based more on ideology than any objective test of authenticity. Even then, if we were to assume there was no variance, does the fact that they've been passed down for so long automatically give them historical validity? No. Stories like Robin Hood have been passed down for generations, it doesn't magically make them anything more than stories.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

sorry, just drop by to say this is a very ignorant question, because you know black people are the only other race out there. Also if you would learn how science and biology works TC, if i dropped off a white couple in Africa and they lived there and had kids and all that, their future future generation would adapt to africas climate, with darker skin and very short hair. Should have been paying attention in science class

hartsickdiscipl

I'd like to see that theory actually proven. To truly prove it, you'd have to show it as repeatable. Take some blonde, blue-eyed, European-featured people and put them in Africa. There are much bigger differences between black and white people than just their skin color. There are differences in musculature and facial structure as well. This isn't a simple case of dropping a white couple off in Africa and letting them procreate for a few generations. There's a lot more going on here than the kids being born with a nice tan down the road.