I went to a Muse concert last night...

They were amazing! They performed in Duluth, GA and they sound really good. Silversun Pickups opened for them and they sounded pretty good too which is surprised me because I didn't really expect much from them. It was my first concert so the excitement is finally wearing off.

Nice. I went to a Yes concert TONIGHT :P

Who's Muse?JonnyEagle

Who's Muse?JonnyEagle

[QUOTE="JonnyEagle"]Who's Muse?battlefront23

Arene rock? So they're like Journey, Foreigner and Asia?

Pirate700

They were amazing! They performed in Duluth, GA and they sound really good. Silversun Pickups opened for them and they sounded pretty good too which is surprised me because I didn't really expect much from them. It was my first concert so the excitement is finally wearing off.

Raikoh_

Seeing them April 1st myself. I'm glad to hear you liked them. I wish they'd place at a bigger venue... GM Place, instead of the Pacific Coliseum.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JonnyEagle"]Who's Muse?Pirate700

They were amazing! They performed in Duluth, GA and they sound really good. Silversun Pickups opened for them and they sounded pretty good too which is surprised me because I didn't really expect much from them. It was my first concert so the excitement is finally wearing off.

Raikoh_

Arena rock...ish band. :P They're pretty good. :)battlefront23

Repetetive, no motif development, shallow hooks, rhythmically dumb, uncreative, and way overrated.

Repetetive, no motif development, shallow hooks, rhythmically dumb, uncreative, and way overrated.

Elephant_Couple

Repetetive, no motif development, shallow hooks, rhythmically dumb, uncreative, and way overrated.

Elephant_Couple

They were amazing! They performed in Duluth, GA and they sound really good. Silversun Pickups opened for them and they sounded pretty good too which is surprised me because I didn't really expect much from them. It was my first concert so the excitement is finally wearing off.

Raikoh_

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Repetetive, no motif development, shallow hooks, rhythmically dumb, uncreative, and way overrated.

Ninja-Bear

You have a very un-musical understanding of everything I said. Just as one example, beats have nothing at all to do with rhythm; nor does being good at playing such a simplistic style of music make someone an "incredibly gifted drummer." I just felt the need to address that, since I am a drummer of 18 years. The rest of your responses are equally as misguided. Go learn, then return.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Bear"][QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

Repetetive, no motif development, shallow hooks, rhythmically dumb, uncreative, and way overrated.

Elephant_Couple

You have a very un-musical understanding of everything I said. Just as one example, beats have nothing at all to do with rhythm; nor does being good at playing such a simplistic style of music make someone an "incredibly gifted drummer." I just felt the need to address that, since I am a drummer of 18 years. The rest of your responses are equally as misguided. Go learn, then return.

I personally don't like Muse but no need to bash someone else because they do.

[QUOTE="Elephant_Couple"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Bear"] You're allowed to not like something, but giving factual reasons for why is never a good idea when it comes to something as subjective as music. For one: 1) Repetitive - how so? They have yet to produce an album which wasn't markedly different from the last. 2) No motif development - because a lack of recurring themes = bad music. :? 3) Shallow hooks - they very rarely use hooks at all, only in the one or two singles they release from each album which typically are catchier and have more mainstream appeal. I wouldn't call Plug in Baby a 'shallow hook' by any stretch. 4) Rhythmically dumb - we're just fleshing out a list of baseless criticisms here. Would rhythmically dumb not imply bad beats? Do they not have an incredibly gifted drummer? Yes, they sure do. Let's take a look at pretty much any live video for proof of that, not to mention on their current tour where the man has his own three-minute drum solo. 5) Uncreative - their latest album is a concept album about love existing in an age or worldwide turmoil, and features a Queen-esque song about the uniting of Asia and Europe, a french piano jazz song, a tribute to Oh Vienna by ultravox and ends with a 15 minute three-part symphony about a group of scientists gathering up as many people as they can and leaving Earth. How much more creative can you possibly get? 6) Subjective. *washes hands*mexicangordo

You have a very un-musical understanding of everything I said. Just as one example, beats have nothing at all to do with rhythm; nor does being good at playing such a simplistic style of music make someone an "incredibly gifted drummer." I just felt the need to address that, since I am a drummer of 18 years. The rest of your responses are equally as misguided. Go learn, then return.

I personally don't like Muse but no need to bash someone else because they do.

I didn't bash anyone in this thread. I stated my opinion about Muse.

Oh puh-lease. The very notion that you can mathematically break down any piece of music into good or bad based on arbitrary criteria is completely out of touch with reality. The only thing you picked up on at all was my comment on Dom being a very good drummer; which he is. Your comment that rhythm has absolutely nothing to do with beats is inaccurate, also; syncopated rhythm has literally everything to do with the beat. Finally, my 'un-musical understanding' perplexes me as nothing else you said has anything to do with the technicalities of music; shallow, repetitive, uncreative, over rated. None of these things require classical training to comment on. Music is damn near entirely subjective; the notion that you can tell someone that X band is bad based on a list of pointless, arbitrary criteria which could be slapped onto any song is just silly. Ninja-Bear

Syncopation of beats has nothing to do with rhythm, other than the fact that beats may be syncopated, and that any beat is in some rhythm. You can't syncopate the rhythm itself. You can certainly play syncopated beats in many different rhythms, but Muse has little to no rhythmic variation in their music at all, which is why I made the comment in the first place. Syncopation is a shallow gimmick when it only occurs within the same one or two rhythms. Motifs and repetition/shallow hooks (essentially the same thing) can be looked at mathematically and distinguished from one another very easily. "Uncreative" is an opinion of mine that results from a specific combination of these things that Muse embodies, or fails to embody, and "overrated" is an opinion of mine that results from the masses of people who worship them when most of their music has little more to it than a Nickelback song.

Silversun Pickups are associating themselves with Muse? oh no... :(

How was yes?

"Uncreative" is an opinion of mine that results from a specific combination of these things that Muse embodies, or fails to embody, and "overrated" is an opinion of mine that results from the masses of people who worship them when most of their music has little more to it than a Nickelback song.

Elephant_Couple