I Think Tipping is Stupid

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] I haven't. I have posted comment after comment about the immorality of altruism, self-sacrifice, theft, etc.Laihendi

Your idea that altruism is somehow immoral is both laughable and moronic.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]I wasn't aware that serving food required lying.

Laihendi

It helps keep the cost down. Educate yourself from your ignorance TC.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Your idea that altruism is somehow immoral is both laughable and moronic.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Please explain how it is moronic to believe that the morality of suicide (self-sacrifice) is a bad thing.LJS9502_basic

look at his tumblr.

It is a lie, but like I said you maximize profit for your employer as the customers will likely want to return. So it's kind of expected in any service type job. and no I'm not belittling you, you have your views and I have mine. Why should I care that you're doing what makes you happy. but if it came down to it, I'd probably get hired over you because I can be myself yet still fake a smile when I need to. You should try to check out some restaurants though some places have really good food XDTrainerCeleste

And why is smiling a lie anyway?

[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"]It is a lie, but like I said you maximize profit for your employer as the customers will likely want to return. So it's kind of expected in any service type job. and no I'm not belittling you, you have your views and I have mine. Why should I care that you're doing what makes you happy. but if it came down to it, I'd probably get hired over you because I can be myself yet still fake a smile when I need to. You should try to check out some restaurants though some places have really good food XDLJS9502_basic

And why is smiling a lie anyway?

So, we are back at square one. Government cannot ensure its own survival because it cannot maintain a military, nor a police due to the collective action problem.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

So, we are back at square one. Government cannot ensure its own survival because it cannot maintain a military, nor a police due to the collective action problem.

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Your idea that altruism is somehow immoral is both laughable and moronic.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Please explain how it is moronic to believe that the morality of suicide (self-sacrifice) is a bad thing.Laihendi

Laihendi doesn't understand anything but extremes.

Why does it have to be one extreme or the other? I'm pretty sure I can tip my waiter/waitress and not go homeless. You can be generous and still have a F*** ton of money (See Bill Gates)...

You are just making this up. No rational person will give up government enforcement of contracts just to avoid paying taxes unless the government is terrible.Laihendi

The point being that if enforcement of contracts is so valuable no rational person will give that up, how can it possibly considered a voluntary tax? It's the economic equivalent of arguing humans voluntarily choose to drink liquids.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] How do you jump from altruism to suicide? :lol:Guybrush_3

Laihendi doesn't understand anything but extremes.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] How do you jump from altruism to suicide? :lol:chessmaster1989

noun

the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others: some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism.

So I agree with you Chess :) No need to be extreme

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] How do you jump from altruism to suicide? :lol:chessmaster1989

Even if altruism is presented as a choice, it is an immoral choice. Any act of charity is an act of self-sacrifice. Any act of self-sacrifice requires one to live for others rather than oneself. Anyone who does not find his own life to be inherently valuable is a tool to be used and thrown away by others.

Yeah you have completely lost it, I'm done here.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Altruism states that it is good to sacrifice your own well being to serve others, and that it is therefore wrong to pursue your own self-interest when you could be pursuing the self-interest of others. Altruism states that the only justification for your life is giving to others at your own expense. Any person who does not pursue his own self-interest is incapable of sustaining his own life and may only live at the charity of others. Altruism is the morality of slavery and death.TrainerCeleste

noun

the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others: some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism.

So I agree with you Chess :) No need to be extreme

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Altruism states that it is good to sacrifice your own well being to serve others, and that it is therefore wrong to pursue your own self-interest when you could be pursuing the self-interest of others. Altruism states that the only justification for your life is giving to others at your own expense. Any person who does not pursue his own self-interest is incapable of sustaining his own life and may only live at the charity of others. Altruism is the morality of slavery and death.Laihendi

Even if altruism is presented as a choice, it is an immoral choice. Any act of charity is an act of self-sacrifice. Any act of self-sacrifice requires one to live for others rather than oneself. Anyone who does not find his own life to be inherently valuable is a tool to be used and thrown away by others.

[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Wrong on all points. Altruism is contributing to the welfare of others without directly benefiting oneself (excepting for any "warm glow" feelings you get from having helped another). It's not a value statement that these contributions are "good", and it is by no means a statement that self-interest is bad. Altruism is not meant to be mandatory, and indeed it is not altruism if you feel forced to give. So in other words, you don't have a clue what altruism means. Not surprising.Laihendi

noun

the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others: some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism.

So I agree with you Chess :) No need to be extreme

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Wrong on all points. Altruism is contributing to the welfare of others without directly benefiting oneself (excepting for any "warm glow" feelings you get from having helped another). It's not a value statement that these contributions are "good", and it is by no means a statement that self-interest is bad. Altruism is not meant to be mandatory, and indeed it is not altruism if you feel forced to give. So in other words, you don't have a clue what altruism means. Not surprising.TrainerCeleste

Even if altruism is presented as a choice, it is an immoral choice. Any act of charity is an act of self-sacrifice. Any act of self-sacrifice requires one to live for others rather than oneself. Anyone who does not find his own life to be inherently valuable is a tool to be used and thrown away by others.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"] Dictionary definition: altruism |altrooizm|

noun

the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others: some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism.

So I agree with you Chess :) No need to be extreme

TrainerCeleste

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Altruism states that it is good to sacrifice your own well being to serve others, and that it is therefore wrong to pursue your own self-interest when you could be pursuing the self-interest of others. Altruism states that the only justification for your life is giving to others at your own expense. Any person who does not pursue his own self-interest is incapable of sustaining his own life and may only live at the charity of others. Altruism is the morality of slavery and death.Laihendi

Even if altruism is presented as a choice, it is an immoral choice. Any act of charity is an act of self-sacrifice. Any act of self-sacrifice requires one to live for others rather than oneself. Anyone who does not find his own life to be inherently valuable is a tool to be used and thrown away by others.

[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Perhaps you should look up the definition of "selfless" as well. No true altruist considers his own life to be inherently valuable. His only justification for his existence is to be used as a tool by others.Laihendi

Altruism isn't a moral philosophy. It's a definition.

[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Moral philosophies dictate how people should act, not how they must. Laws dictate how people must act, and welfare states are all based on the moral code of altruism.Laihendi

None of you countered OP's argument of "why dont we tip bus drivers or casino dealers"JustSignedUp

I would like to believe that, for a moment, maybe there is something here most of OT isn't stupid enough to not know the answer to, like the wage differences between these occupations.

I tip the minimum all the time. I tip higher if they service was really good, which is 1 or 2 out of 10 restaurants I've gone to.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"] selfless |selfls| adjective concerned more with the needs and wishes of others than with one's own Now in either definition please bold where it says you must act upon these feelings please :)chessmaster1989

Altruism isn't a moral philosophy. It's a definition.

And you failed to explain how social welfare programs are not altruistic. Please explain how me being forced to pay for someone else's medical expenses is not altruism by coercion.

Charging for service from where I come from is unlawful, and tipping is not a common practice.

I only ever tip when I go on holiday. Tipping at home is pointless as waiters do get decent pay.

Tip if you enjoyed their service. Don't if you did not.

Tip the minimum for adequate service, tip little or none at all for poor service, and tip more for excellent service.

Tipping is a choice and isn't force so stop complaining.

Tip the minimum for adequate service, tip little or none at all for poor service, and tip more for excellent service.

Tipping is a choice and isn't force so stop complaining.

leviathan91

[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] If you believe that altruism is not meant to be coercive, then surely you must believe that all government-enforced social welfare programs (medicare, medicaid, social security, public schools, etc.) should be ended.

Even if altruism is presented as a choice, it is an immoral choice. Any act of charity is an act of self-sacrifice. Any act of self-sacrifice requires one to live for others rather than oneself. Anyone who does not find his own life to be inherently valuable is a tool to be used and thrown away by others.

Laihendi

bro you need to get out more

Tip if you enjoyed their service. Don't if you did not.

harashawn

I would never tip if I lived in America. And if that's so bad, make it illegal and have done with it all. SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

Tip if you enjoyed their service. Don't if you did not.

SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

Tip if you enjoyed their service. Don't if you did not.

SolidSnake35