Just being able to create fun, smart but typically bloated "blockbusters" isn't enough to warrant the title of "legendary". Maybe if he goes smaller, releases a few more films like 'Prestige' and 'Memento', then one could look at him as "legendary".
Just being able to create fun, smart but typically bloated "blockbusters" isn't enough to warrant the title of "legendary". Maybe if he goes smaller, releases a few more films like 'Prestige' and 'Memento', then one could look at him as "legendary". SaintLeonidas
Why would he have to do "smaller" movies? That doesnt dictate whether or not a movie is of quality. Stephen Spielberg hasnt done a small movie in almost 40 years.
The guy is hardly an autuer - he doesn't have a very specific style per-se, he has produced a bunch of really popular films but that doesn't make him one of the best filmmakers of all time. See what he has brought out ten years from now, then we'll make a more informed decision.
[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Just being able to create fun, smart but typically bloated "blockbusters" isn't enough to warrant the title of "legendary". Maybe if he goes smaller, releases a few more films like 'Prestige' and 'Memento', then one could look at him as "legendary". champion837
Why would he have to do "smaller" movies? That doesnt dictate whether or not a movie is of quality. Stephen Spielberg hasnt done a small movie in almost 40 years. Because it shows he actually has range. Just being able to stuff a ton of material into typically convoluted plots, no matter how technically/visually stunning they are, or how smart and fun they might be, doesn't mean a director is "legendary".
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Let's not go overboard. I dont understand. Many people claim that those movies are some of the greatest of all time. Those people are silly How, its an opinion that many people hold.
[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="champion837"] I dont understand. Many people claim that those movies are some of the greatest of all time. Those people are silly How, its an opinion that many people hold. My opinion > the opinion of the plebeian masses
[QUOTE="champion837"] How, its an opinion that many people hold. Many people think Twilight is the best thing since sliced bread. Does that mean it is?
[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]Just being able to create fun, smart but typically bloated "blockbusters" isn't enough to warrant the title of "legendary". Maybe if he goes smaller, releases a few more films like 'Prestige' and 'Memento', then one could look at him as "legendary". SaintLeonidas
Why would he have to do "smaller" movies? That doesnt dictate whether or not a movie is of quality. Stephen Spielberg hasnt done a small movie in almost 40 years. Because it shows he actually has range. Just being able to stuff a ton of material into typically convoluted plots, no matter how technically/visually stunning they are, or how smart and fun they might be, doesn't mean a director is "legendary". Range doesnt dictate who is legendary.
[QUOTE="SteverXIII"][QUOTE="champion837"] How, its an opinion that many people hold. Many people think Twilight is the best thing since sliced bread. Does that mean it is? We arent discussing Twilight. We already know that TDK is an amazing trilogy.
He is a great director, but we can revive this discussion after he's won a few Best Director awards. I think that quailifies you as legendary.
champion837
No it doesnt. An award is an agreement in a certain group that has an opinion on something. That hardly covers the masses.
And yet your designation of Nolan as legendary is a better representation of the masses? I'm a Nolan fan. I thoroughly enjoyed The Dark Knight and I loved The Prestige but he is not a legendary director.
He is a great director, but we can revive this discussion after he's won a few Best Director awards. I think that quailifies you as legendary.
CycleOfViolence
No it doesnt. An award is an agreement in a certain group that has an opinion on something. That hardly covers the masses.
And yet your designation of Nolan as legendary is a better representation of the masses? I'm a Nolan fan. I thoroughly enjoyed The Dark Knight and I loved The Prestige but he is not a legendary director.
Speilberg? Yes Eastwood? Yes Olive Stone? Yes
Nolan? Not yet.
There are many more than that. No one has made the amount of big movies as those three are, so that isnt really fair. Thats like saying Ray Charles isnt legendary due to Michael Jackson and the Beatles.
[QUOTE="champion837"] No it doesnt. An award is an agreement in a certain group that has an opinion on something. That hardly covers the masses.champion837
And yet your designation of Nolan as legendary is a better representation of the masses? I'm a Nolan fan. I thoroughly enjoyed The Dark Knight and I loved The Prestige but he is not a legendary director.
Speilberg? Yes Eastwood? Yes Olive Stone? Yes
Nolan? Not yet.
There are many more than that. No one has made the amount of big movies as those three are, so that isnt really fair. Thats like saying Ray Charles isnt legendary due to Michael Jackson and the Beatles.
[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="champion837"] Why would he have to do "smaller" movies? That doesnt dictate whether or not a movie is of quality. Stephen Spielberg hasnt done a small movie in almost 40 years.champion837
Because it shows he actually has range. Just being able to stuff a ton of material into typically convoluted plots, no matter how technically/visually stunning they are, or how smart and fun they might be, doesn't mean a director is "legendary". Range doesnt dictate who is legendary. I think we should stop childishly using the term legendary first. He has been making films for about 12 years, hardly enough time to cement his status as a Hollywood "Legend", he could direct nothing but sh*t for the next 20 years for all we know. Second, having range is very much a factor in how good a director really is. Just being talented in making "big" films is nothing worthy of 'greatness', especially when those films are always right on the brink of being too bloated/plot hole filled to even be as good as they are.
Just be talented in making "big" films is nothing worthy of 'greatness. SaintLeonidas
Do you know that there are TONS of talented people making huge films right now and Speilberg and Scorcese are still making them as well. But point blank, over the last 5 years, none have had as many films that people consider to be iconic as TDK and Inception. This guy had 3 of them, in 5 years time, I dont think ive ever heard of anything like it before.
[QUOTE="champion837"] Do you know that there are TONS of talented people making huge films right now and Speilberg and Scorcese are still making them as well. But point blank, over the last 5 years, none have had as many films that people consider to be iconic as TDK and Inception. This guy had 3 of them, in 5 years time, I dont think ive ever heard of anything like it before. And as he just said, Nolan might end up making crap films for the next 20 years. To really be a legend, you need to be a little more prolific than Nolan is right now, and objectively speaking, there is no way Nolan can or should be considered a legend now.
[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] Just be talented in making "big" films is nothing worthy of 'greatness. champion837
Do you know that there are TONS of talented people making huge films right now and Speilberg and Scorcese are still making them as well. But point blank, over the last 5 years, none have had as many films that people consider to be iconic as TDK and Inception. This guy had 3 of them, in 5 years time, I dont think ive ever heard of anything like it before. How iconic a film is, how much of an impact it might have had on "pop culture" does not mean it is of quality. I love his films...but based on your point of view, 'Twilight', which has made millions, has thousands of fans, has made it's mark on 'pop culture' and would certainly be considered 'iconic' to all those fans, would make them 'great' films, worthy of being compared to 'The Dark Knight', and their directors worthy of a lot of praise.
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="champion837"] Do you know that there are TONS of talented people making huge films right now and Speilberg and Scorcese are still making them as well. But point blank, over the last 5 years, none have had as many films that people consider to be iconic as TDK and Inception. This guy had 3 of them, in 5 years time, I dont think ive ever heard of anything like it before. And as he just said, Nolan might end up making crap films for the next 20 years. To really be a legend, you need to be a little more prolific than Nolan is right now, and objectively speaking, there is no way Nolan can or should be considered a legend now. So you mean to tell me that if Copolla only made the godfather, he wouldnt be legendary?
[QUOTE="champion837"] So you mean to tell me that if Copolla only made the godfather, he wouldnt be legendary? Let me put it this way. If Copolla went on to direct Scary Movies, then he would lose that legendary status. Statuses CAN be taken away, you know....
It depends on your definition of legendary I guess. He's still got a long ways to go before he's in the same class of directors I consider to be legendary like Kurosawa or Scorsese.
And I say this as someone who has at worst liked every film Nolan's done so far.
[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] Just be talented in making "big" films is nothing worthy of 'greatness. SaintLeonidas
Do you know that there are TONS of talented people making huge films right now and Speilberg and Scorcese are still making them as well. But point blank, over the last 5 years, none have had as many films that people consider to be iconic as TDK and Inception. This guy had 3 of them, in 5 years time, I dont think ive ever heard of anything like it before. How iconic a film is, how much of an impact it might have had on "pop culture" does not mean it is of quality. I love his films...but based on your point of view, 'Twilight', which has made millions, has thousands of fans, has made it's mark on 'pop culture' and would certainly be considered 'iconic' to all those fans, would make them 'great' films, worthy of being compared to 'The Dark Knight', and their directors worthy of a lot of praise. I first made the point to you and others that his film is considered one of the greatest films of all time by a lot of people. I dont see any other films for that matter having that much widespread acclaim, you dont even have to include twilight, I dont see as much acclaim like that for any other film in the last 5 years, let alone 3 movies.
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="champion837"] So you mean to tell me that if Copolla only made the godfather, he wouldnt be legendary? Let me put it this way. If Copolla went on to direct Scary Movies, then he would lose that legendary status. Statuses CAN be taken away, you know.... That isnt true. Many legends have made TERRIBLE movies.
If he stops making ambitious blockbusters that merely boil down to entertainment and goes back to something like, say, The Prestige or Memento, then he could be in consideration. I still believe that he is getting worse.
[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="champion837"] Do you know that there are TONS of talented people making huge films right now and Speilberg and Scorcese are still making them as well. But point blank, over the last 5 years, none have had as many films that people consider to be iconic as TDK and Inception. This guy had 3 of them, in 5 years time, I dont think ive ever heard of anything like it before. And as he just said, Nolan might end up making crap films for the next 20 years. To really be a legend, you need to be a little more prolific than Nolan is right now, and objectively speaking, there is no way Nolan can or should be considered a legend now. So you mean to tell me that if Copolla only made the godfather, he wouldnt be legendary? You hear people talking about Michael Curtiz along side Copolla, Scorsese, etc.? No...but the guy directed 'Casablanca', widely regarded as one of the greatest films ever made, yet you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would call him a 'legendary' director.
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="champion837"] So you mean to tell me that if Copolla only made the godfather, he wouldnt be legendary? Let me put it this way. If Copolla went on to direct Scary Movies, then he would lose that legendary status. Statuses CAN be taken away, you know.... He did go on to make scary movies. The fact of the matter is that he has had one of, if not, the best run a filmmaker has ever had. Those four films alone are enough to position him as one of the greats.
[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"] And as he just said, Nolan might end up making crap films for the next 20 years. To really be a legend, you need to be a little more prolific than Nolan is right now, and objectively speaking, there is no way Nolan can or should be considered a legend now. So you mean to tell me that if Copolla only made the godfather, he wouldnt be legendary? You hear people talking about Michael Curtiz along side Copolla, Scorsese, etc.? No...but the guy directed 'Casablanca', widely regarded as one of the greatest films ever made, yet you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would call him a 'legendary' director. Maybe Michael Curtiz just didnt get as popular as Copolla? Very few are as popular as Copolla.
[QUOTE="champion837"] Do you know that there are TONS of talented people making huge films right now and Speilberg and Scorcese are still making them as well. But point blank, over the last 5 years, none have had as many films that people consider to be iconic as TDK and Inception. This guy had 3 of them, in 5 years time, I dont think ive ever heard of anything like it before.champion837
How iconic a film is, how much of an impact it might have had on "pop culture" does not mean it is of quality. I love his films...but based on your point of view, 'Twilight', which has made millions, has thousands of fans, has made it's mark on 'pop culture' and would certainly be considered 'iconic' to all those fans, would make them 'great' films, worthy of being compared to 'The Dark Knight', and their directors worthy of a lot of praise. I first made the point to you and others that his film is considered one of the greatest films of all time by a lot of people. I dont see any other films for that matter having that much widespread acclaim, you dont even have to include twilight, I dont see as much acclaim like that for any other film in the last 5 years, let alone 3 movies. There have been a lot of films in recent years that have received just as much, if not more critical acclaim as Nolan's films. His just receive more attention because they are "blockbusters" that appeal more to the general movie going audience.
[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] How iconic a film is, how much of an impact it might have had on "pop culture" does not mean it is of quality. I love his films...but based on your point of view, 'Twilight', which has made millions, has thousands of fans, has made it's mark on 'pop culture' and would certainly be considered 'iconic' to all those fans, would make them 'great' films, worthy of being compared to 'The Dark Knight', and their directors worthy of a lot of praise.SaintLeonidas
I first made the point to you and others that his film is considered one of the greatest films of all time by a lot of people. I dont see any other films for that matter having that much widespread acclaim, you dont even have to include twilight, I dont see as much acclaim like that for any other film in the last 5 years, let alone 3 movies. There have been a lot of films in recent years that have received just as much, if not more critical acclaim as Nolan's films. His just receive more attention because they are "blockbusters" that appeal more to the general movie going audience. 3 films in 5 years? You gotta admit that is absolutely incredible for a director to do.
If he stops making ambitious blockbusters that merely boil down to entertainment and goes back to something like, say, The Prestige or Memento, then he could be in consideration. I still believe that he is getting worse.sammyjenkis898
Memento was great, didn't like The Prestige though. I really liked Inception though among his newer movies.
[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="champion837"] So you mean to tell me that if Copolla only made the godfather, he wouldnt be legendary? You hear people talking about Michael Curtiz along side Copolla, Scorsese, etc.? No...but the guy directed 'Casablanca', widely regarded as one of the greatest films ever made, yet you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would call him a 'legendary' director. Maybe Michael Curtiz just didnt get as popular as Copolla? That happens with a lot of filmakers. If we are going just by how popular a film maker is, Tyler Perry would be 'legendary'. Curtiz doesn't get much recognition because just making one or a few great films in a short span of time doesn't instantly establish someone as a 'legend'.
[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] You hear people talking about Michael Curtiz along side Copolla, Scorsese, etc.? No...but the guy directed 'Casablanca', widely regarded as one of the greatest films ever made, yet you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would call him a 'legendary' director. Maybe Michael Curtiz just didnt get as popular as Copolla? That happens with a lot of filmakers. If we are going just by how popular a film maker is, Tyler Perry would be 'legendary'. Curtiz doesn't get much recognition because just making one or a few great films in a short span of time doesn't instantly establish someone as a 'legend'. You are taking what I say out of context. I meant for the argument between those two directors. I didnt say that all huge directors are legends.
[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="champion837"] I first made the point to you and others that his film is considered one of the greatest films of all time by a lot of people. I dont see any other films for that matter having that much widespread acclaim, you dont even have to include twilight, I dont see as much acclaim like that for any other film in the last 5 years, let alone 3 movies. There have been a lot of films in recent years that have received just as much, if not more critical acclaim as Nolan's films. His just receive more attention because they are "blockbusters" that appeal more to the general movie going audience. 3 films in 5 years? You gotta admit that is absolutely incredible for a director to do. Impressive? Yes. But again, just having a good few years, when he has so many years to possibly screw up his reputation, doesn't mean he should already be considered legendary.
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