huh i just wondered something whats the point of opinions...

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#1 fl4tlined
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i mean any opinion whether they be political/game related/etc i mean really

think about it no matter which opinion the majority of people went with enacted has always been the same there has never been a perfect opinion or even most of the time a right opinion and the never will be so whats the point of a opinion at all? other then to piss other people off? maybe im thinking to deeply about this but i just dont see the point in any of these i mean it dosent matter which side you choose if your wrong regardless?

maybe its a human flaw im missing maybe this is just another useless opinion on my opinion on opinions....

i dont wish for people to flame my idea i just wish to be told what im saying is wrong i mean is there any opinion which is actually correct? because if they were correct they would be facts...

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#2 mitu123
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Opinions are fun.

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#3 rawsavon
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There is a difference in having an opinion and asserting that yours is the only correct one...
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#4 Daavpuke
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Insight never hurts. You don't NEED to adhere to it, but keeping an open mind can only be for the good of it.
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#5 ScreamDream
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If you are undecided about something, it's good to listen to opinions.

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#6 ghoklebutter
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I disagree with your opinion; opinions are part of what makes us different from each other.
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#7 fl4tlined
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i just never got opinions i mean if someone didnt have any wouldnt they be happy since there would be nothing to go against there opinions and possibly make them feel less good about themself?
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#8 OfficerTJHooka
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Opininons are what make us decide on things and how we deal with sutiations

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#9 fl4tlined
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I disagree with your opinion; opinions are part of what makes us different from each other.ghoklebutter
but whats the point of being different other then separating us from each other i dont get it -_-... god this is turning into the final episode of evangelion xD
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#10 ghoklebutter
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i just never got opinions i mean if someone didnt have any wouldnt they be happy since there would be nothing to go against there opinions and possibly make them feel less good about themself?fl4tlined
Honestly, the world would be boring without opinions.
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#11 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]I disagree with your opinion; opinions are part of what makes us different from each other.fl4tlined
but whats the point of being different other then separating us from each other i dont get it -_-... god this is turning into the final episode of evangelion xD

Just like Obama said: "We can agree without being disagreeable". It's not like one's opinion will ALWAYS piss off another person.

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#12 shahchip
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They are very handy in making decisions when faced with a problem with no real right answer.. which happens a lot.

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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]I disagree with your opinion; opinions are part of what makes us different from each other.ghoklebutter

but whats the point of being different other then separating us from each other i dont get it -_-... god this is turning into the final episode of evangelion xD

Just like Obama said: "We can agree without being disagreeable". It's not like one's opinion will ALWAYS piss off another person.

Why would you be disagreeable if you already agree? :P

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#14 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="fl4tlined"] but whats the point of being different other then separating us from each other i dont get it -_-... god this is turning into the final episode of evangelion xDemorainbo

Just like Obama said: "We can agree without being disagreeable". It's not like one's opinion will ALWAYS piss off another person.

Why would you be disagreeable if you already agree? :P

He meant that people should respect others' opinions, even if they disagree with each other.
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#15 emorainbo
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[QUOTE="emorainbo"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Just like Obama said: "We can agree without being disagreeable". It's not like one's opinion will ALWAYS piss off another person.

ghoklebutter

Why would you be disagreeable if you already agree? :P

He meant that people should respect others' opinions, even if they disagree with each other.

I know, I was just teasing you for misquoting :)

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#16 fl4tlined
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[QUOTE="emorainbo"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Just like Obama said: "We can agree without being disagreeable". It's not like one's opinion will ALWAYS piss off another person.

ghoklebutter

Why would you be disagreeable if you already agree? :P

He meant that people should respect others' opinions, even if they disagree with each other.

but if that happens then change would never happen and things would get just as boring if nobody had opinions at all if thigns got stagnat
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#17 OfficerTJHooka
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="emorainbo"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Just like Obama said: "We can agree without being disagreeable". It's not like one's opinion will ALWAYS piss off another person.

Why would you be disagreeable if you already agree? :P

He meant that people should respect others' opinions, even if they disagree with each other.

yeah, opinions is what makes us unique. i mean, who would want everybody to be the same boring person all the time... not me.
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#18 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="emorainbo"] Why would you be disagreeable if you already agree? :P

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He meant that people should respect others' opinions, even if they disagree with each other.

but if that happens then change would never happen and things would get just as boring if nobody had opinions at all if thigns got stagnat

Here's a little scenario: You and I are people who love pizza. I say that there need not be anymore pizzerias in the city, for the pizzeria we already have is good enough. However, you say that people should have a choice in what pizza they eat, regardless of whether they like the other pizzeria, so we should have another pizzeria. An ideal situation would be that we disagree, but respect each others' opinions anyway, for both have strong arguments. However, this shouldn't be a stalemate, either; you and I would naturally try to prove that one opinion is correct and the other one is wrong.

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#19 Brozekial
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The "absolute truth" is too absolute and objective for a human mind to even imagine. The sheer fact alone that we are human makes us biased and we will never truly be right.
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#20 fl4tlined
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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] He meant that people should respect others' opinions, even if they disagree with each other.ghoklebutter

but if that happens then change would never happen and things would get just as boring if nobody had opinions at all if thigns got stagnat

Here's a little scenario: You and I are people who love pizza. I say that there need not be anymore pizzerias in the city, for the pizzeria we already have is good enough. However, you say that people should have a choice in what pizza they eat, regardless of whether they like the other pizzeria, so we should have another pizzeria. An ideal situation would be that we disagree, but respect each others' opinions anyway, for both have strong arguments. However, this shouldn't be a stalemate, either; you and I would naturally try to prove that one opinion is correct and the other one is wrong.

but if all you do is disagree with one another dosent it just create confrontation? and lets say in the off chance you actually get someone to change there opinion (very hard) dosent it just go to another arena of unlimited competition with another group of opinions but now you have another person to back you up making your opinion stronger until another more stronger opinion rises up and takes over yours? so technically things either change or stay the same but the change creates a chain of events of unlimited change or stay so it defeats the point of all opinions before the last but since the chain of events never end no one opinion never is correct so there is no purpose if you look at the big picture
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#21 ghoklebutter
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but if all you do is disagree with one another dosent it just create confrontation? and lets say in the off chance you actually get someone to change there opinion (very hard) dosent it just go to another arena of unlimited competition with another group of opinions but now you have another person to back you up making your opinion stronger until another more stronger opinion rises up and takes over yours? so technically things either change or stay the same but the change creates a chain of events of unlimited change or stay so it defeats the point of all opinions before the last but since the chain of events never end no one opinion never is correct so there is no purpose if you look at the big picturefl4tlined

Whoa, that flew over my head... O_O

I'll just say that opinions are important if you want to have things go the way you want. Everyone has different desires.

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#22 gubrushadow
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my opinion : something is wrong with TC:?

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#23 fl4tlined
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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"]but if all you do is disagree with one another dosent it just create confrontation? and lets say in the off chance you actually get someone to change there opinion (very hard) dosent it just go to another arena of unlimited competition with another group of opinions but now you have another person to back you up making your opinion stronger until another more stronger opinion rises up and takes over yours? so technically things either change or stay the same but the change creates a chain of events of unlimited change or stay so it defeats the point of all opinions before the last but since the chain of events never end no one opinion never is correct so there is no purpose if you look at the big pictureghoklebutter

Whoa, that flew over my head... O_O

I'll just say that opinions are important if you want to have things go the way you want. Everyone has different desires.

but whats the point of desire where does it originate from i almost feel bad for rapist or serial killers because arent there opinions just as valid as everyone elses its just society has opinions which they as a whole find valued but even those crumble over time very short increments of time compared to the big picture so when a person has a desire to rape someone the person being raped has the opinion of not wanting to but overall isnt the rapies physical force over the raped just another way of changing opinions? im only thinking about his logically not that i wish to rape or kill people
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#24 gubrushadow
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plus he just said his opinion about the whole opinion thing :lol:
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#25 Gaming-Planet
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The freedom of having a say.

Cherish it and use it. Without it you wouldn't be worth anything and you wouldn't be able to make a difference. Thoughts would be kept hidden, knowledge would cost money.

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#26 slvrraven9
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if its an opinion then its not a fact. an opinion is something you gather based off your point of view and therefore cannot be proven to be true or false, which is why its an opinion. youre getting opinions and facts confused. youre thinking too much into the whole thing...
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but whats the point of desire where does it originate from i almost feel bad for rapist or serial killers because arent there opinions just as valid as everyone elses its just society has opinions which they as a whole find valued but even those crumble over time very short increments of time compared to the big picture so when a person has a desire to rape someone the person being raped has the opinion of not wanting to but overall isnt the rapies physical force over the raped just another way of changing opinions? im only thinking about his logically not that i wish to rape or kill peoplefl4tlined

Desire is a fancy word for "want", a word that can't easily be expained. You want pizza. You might want ice cream as well. What does "want" mean to you?

Just because they have opinions, doesn't mean that they are necessarily better. If I can prove that my opinion is right - in this case, rape and murder are bad things - the other person's opinion is void and null.

And no, a rapist raping a another person is not raping because he wants to change her opinion on e.g. forced sex. Many rapists simply crave power by humiliating their victims. In any case, it's not a matter of persuasion.

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#28 fl4tlined
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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"]but whats the point of desire where does it originate from i almost feel bad for rapist or serial killers because arent there opinions just as valid as everyone elses its just society has opinions which they as a whole find valued but even those crumble over time very short increments of time compared to the big picture so when a person has a desire to rape someone the person being raped has the opinion of not wanting to but overall isnt the rapies physical force over the raped just another way of changing opinions? im only thinking about his logically not that i wish to rape or kill peopleghoklebutter

Desire is a fancy word for "want", a word that can't easily be expained. You want pizza. You might want ice cream as well. What does "want" mean to you?

Just because they have opinions, doesn't mean that they are necessarily better. If I can prove that my opinion is right - in this case, rape and murder are bad things - the other person's opinion is void and null.

And no, a rapist raping a another person is not raping because he wants to change her opinion on e.g. forced sex. Many rapists simply crave power by humiliating their victims. In any case, it's not a matter of persuasion.

but how can you just prove someones opinion null and void if they technically believe they them self have the right opinion even after all this is done what your saying is that your opinion is no longer a opinion but is now a fact by saying rape is bad now that there opinion that its null and void... thats like saying the sky is blue thats a fact you cant have a opinion on something that is already there thats just dumb and ignorant right? but rape isnt just there i mean it use to be acceptable to go rape a village of people back in the day after taking it over but now it isnt socially acceptable so it isnt a fact therfore there opinion isnt the right opinion at that time and place.. but yes i will say you did prove me wrong with your third paragraph that there is actually a fact
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An opinion is to let people feel important by letting them be able to voice their feelings on a idea thought or subject.
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#30 Nerd_Man
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My opinions are always right, and people who have different opinions than mine only have different opinions because they are wrong.
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My opinions are always right, and people who have different opinions than mine only have different opinions because they are wrong.Nerd_Man
my opinions are always right is already a self serving opinion therefore making it not a fact
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but how can you just prove someones opinion null and void if they technically believe they them self have the right opinion even after all this is done what your saying is that your opinion is no longer a opinion but is now a fact by saying rape is bad now that there opinion that its null and void..

but rape isnt just there i mean it use to be acceptable to go rape a village of people back in the day after taking it over but now it isnt socially acceptable so it isnt a fact therfore there opinion isnt the right opinion at that time and place.. fl4tlined

1. That's where the majority comes into play. Tomorrow will always be determined by the people of today, hence why opinions always change.

2. I don't think rape was ever socially acceptable, just more tolerated more.

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2. Opinions do not suffice by themselves. They must be backed up by evidence, logic and reasoning. A person who says the sky is green is certainly wrong because he can be proven wrong through science, even if he's colorblind.

ghoklebutter

Opinions are not the same as facts. Opinions can only be subjected to factual information if opinions are presented as facts and not opinions.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

2. Opinions do not suffice by themselves. They must be backed up by evidence, logic and reasoning. A person who says the sky is green is certainly wrong because he can be proven wrong through science, even if he's colorblind.

FFCYAN

Opinions are not the same as facts. Opinions can only be subjected to factual information if opinions are presented as facts and not opinions.

Oops, I didn't think that through. :P *edits post*
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There isn't really a point to it, people just end up having different ideas, beliefs, interests, etc.

Not much thinking to do about it really. Just happens.

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#36 criinok
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There are true opinions... They're called facts :P

But of course there's a point to opinions, they divide people into different groups which leads to friendships and relationships and all that fun stuff. Without opinions, we'd be a very boring society.

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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"] but how can you just prove someones opinion null and void if they technically believe they them self have the right opinion even after all this is done what your saying is that your opinion is no longer a opinion but is now a fact by saying rape is bad now that there opinion that its null and void..

but rape isnt just there i mean it use to be acceptable to go rape a village of people back in the day after taking it over but now it isnt socially acceptable so it isnt a fact therfore there opinion isnt the right opinion at that time and place.. ghoklebutter

1. That's where the majority comes into play. Tomorrow will always be determined by the people of today, hence why opinions always change.

2. I don't think rape was ever socially acceptable, just more tolerated more.

i think the main thing im trying to get at is how people can look at there opinions see whats wrong with them because all opinons have some sort of issue with them otherwise they would be fact and go yep im going to go with that opinion even though its flawed and even go as far to even defend the flawed logic sometimes even to the death to protect a idea deep down they know is flawed and if got enacted would have another flawed opinion someday to overide it in a vicious cycle
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[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]My opinions are always right, and people who have different opinions than mine only have different opinions because they are wrong.fl4tlined
my opinions are always right is already a self serving opinion therefore making it not a fact

That is where your opinion is wrong.
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#39 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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An opinion is just your perception of the truth given the knowledge and facts you've been presented. Since we can never always know the whole truth about everything, everything is based on opinion. It's like asking why do we call what we breath oxygen? It don't matter what you call it, it is what it is.
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#40 Aquat1cF1sh
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Overly opinionated people give me a headache. >__> That being said, I think some opinions can be good... It's just the way people go about flaunting those opinions that's just urgh.
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#41 fl4tlined
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i guess my question is how do people form opinions in the first place if deep down they know what they think has a logic issue with it and isnt the correct answer
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#42 markop2003
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Correct opinions don't exist however you can give a truthful opinion. For example if i said "In my opinion metal is the most enjoyable music genre" then that would be an honest opinion and so you could then say it was a fact that metal is the music genre that i enjoy the most.
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#43 Nerd_Man
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Correct opinions don't exist however you can give a truthful opinion. For example if i said "In my opinion metal is the most enjoyable music genre" then that would be an honest opinion and so you could then say it was a fact that metal is the music genre that i enjoy the most.markop2003
Your logic is too complicated. I really don't understand what you're trying to say or how you came to such accusations.
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#44 FFCYAN
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i guess my question is how do people form opinions in the first place if deep down they know what they think has a logic issue with it and isnt the correct answerfl4tlined
Everyone on this planet is different. Everyone. Not even twins or triplets are the same people. We all have different experiences in life, different tastes, fashion senses, ect,. Logically, based on that fact, everyone will have either similar or different opinions on virtually every subject imaginable.

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#45 The-Tree
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Wouldn't a perfect opinion be a fact?
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TL;DR version plox?
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i guess my question is how do people form opinions in the first place if deep down they know what they think has a logic issue with it and isnt the correct answerfl4tlined
I don't know about that. People usually form an opinion based on what they think they know, not because they just pick an opinion out of the air. If people intentionally form opinions from untruths, I'm sure there's some mental disorder classification for that. As for why people stand by their opinions even when they are faced with facts that disprove them, I wish I had an answer for that.
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#48 ghoklebutter
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i guess my question is how do people form opinions in the first place if deep down they know what they think has a logic issue with it and isnt the correct answerfl4tlined
That's just denial; the act of clinging on to one's ideal thoughts even when corrected.
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#49 aaronmullan
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I disagree. That's my opinion. :3
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#50 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]Correct opinions don't exist however you can give a truthful opinion. For example if i said "In my opinion metal is the most enjoyable music genre" then that would be an honest opinion and so you could then say it was a fact that metal is the music genre that i enjoy the most.Nerd_Man
Your logic is too complicated. I really don't understand what you're trying to say or how you came to such accusations.

TLDR: An opinion = someone's perspective on a subject A fact = something that is true Therefore: A true opinion = A fact according to that person's perspective Oh and as OP asked about the point of an opinion, a fact according to someone's perspective is of importance as it shows how that person will react towards that object and so can be used to predict behavior. With the example given previously you could infer that it is then likely that i would spend time listening to metal music.