Hugo Chavez is Dead

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Translation: "I am ignorant."

They have some of the world's largest oil reserves. Yeah, Venezuela matters.

worlock77

Stricly speaking the US imports more oil from Canada than any other country. Followed by Mexico. That isn't the point however. Whenever you hold one of the largest reserves of oil in the world that makes you significant.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] There's other oil in the world for us. Venezuela depends on the US more than the US depends on Venezuela.lo_Pine

Stricly speaking the US imports more oil from Canada than any other country. Followed by Mexico. That isn't the point however. Whenever you hold one of the largest reserves of oil in the world that makes you significant.

Some pretty poor and non-nuclear states seem to take up a large amount of our attention and spending nowadays. But to answer your question more completely, a nation can be both oil rich and nuclear armed (Russia), one or the other (Pakistan/Iraq/Iran), or neither (Syria/Afghanistan), and still seem to dictate a lot of the U.S.'s foreign policy.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] There's other oil in the world for us. Venezuela depends on the US more than the US depends on Venezuela.lo_Pine

Stricly speaking the US imports more oil from Canada than any other country. Followed by Mexico. That isn't the point however. Whenever you hold one of the largest reserves of oil in the world that makes you significant.

Tell me, what do you think happens to fuel prices if one of the world's biggest oil nations suddenly decides to stop exporting their oil?

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Stricly speaking the US imports more oil from Canada than any other country. Followed by Mexico. That isn't the point however. Whenever you hold one of the largest reserves of oil in the world that makes you significant.

jetpower3

Some pretty poor and non-nuclear states seem to take up a large amount of our attention and spending nowadays. But to answer your question more completely, a nation can be both oil rich and nuclear armed (Russia), one or the other (Pakistan/Iraq/Iran), or neither (Syria/Afghanistan), and still seem to dictate a lot of the U.S.'s foreign policy.

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Stricly speaking the US imports more oil from Canada than any other country. Followed by Mexico. That isn't the point however. Whenever you hold one of the largest reserves of oil in the world that makes you significant.

worlock77

Tell me, what do you think happens to fuel prices if one of the world's biggest oil nations suddenly decides to stop exporting their oil?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] To have big oil reserves makes you more significant, indeed. To have no nuclear weapons, does that make you significant?lo_Pine

Tell me, what do you think happens to fuel prices if one of the world's biggest oil nations suddenly decides to stop exporting their oil?

Not irrelevant. What do you think happens?

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Tell me, what do you think happens to fuel prices if one of the world's biggest oil nations suddenly decides to stop exporting their oil?

worlock77

Not irrelevant. What do you think happens?

I feel badly saying this- but I think we're all better off without him. 

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Irrelevant. Where would they get their money if they stop selling oil?lo_Pine

Not irrelevant. What do you think happens?

Ok. Now do you want to answer the question I asked you?

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Not irrelevant. What do you think happens?

worlock77

Ok. Now do you want to answer the question I asked you?

I feel badly saying this- but I think we're all better off without him. 

Shmiity

Dictator?  I think not.

 

Dictator?  I think not.

thebest31406

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I guess he wasn't a dictator either. He was even democratically elected into his offices.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

 

Dictator?  I think not.

mmwmwmmwmwmm

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I guess he wasn't a dictator either. He was even democratically elected into his offices.

Being the politically apathetic individual I am.....I had to look up this name.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Yeah, because fixing elections and nationalizing an oil company(by military force) makes him such a great guy!

worlock77

Interesting you bring this up. I'm sure you're aware of the United Fruit Company? The US company that had an agricultural monopoly in Guatemala and because the government was doing things that threatened that monopoly, the UFC lobbied 2 US presidents and managed to get authorization to essentially hire the services of the CIA to overthrow the Guatemalan government and replace it with a more US friendly puppet government. This sparked a civil war that would kill hundreds of thousands.

And people wonder why Latin America is suspicious of the US.

Also I'm sure it's just coincidence that John Foster Dulles, the U.S. Secretary of State, and his brother Allen Dulles, the director of the CIA, both owned significant stock in the United Fruit Company.

  Hilarious no? The US has directly supported far worse people then Chavez in the recent past, but if people were to read these threads they would think he was the next Skeletor.. 

I don't know the guy. He seems to have a lot of admirers. If I was visiting Venezuela during his wake, I'd probably pay my respects just out of curiosity.

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

 

Dictator?  I think not.

thebest31406

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I guess he wasn't a dictator either. He was even democratically elected into his offices.

Do you have an exact source for the 9 million figure?

thebest31406

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]kingkong0124

On the topic of dictators, Chavez did do things like take over companies and fire thousands of the people working for said companies who expressed political opposition to Chavez and told them to leave the country. Apparently that's why my Venezuelan friend is now in the states. Needless to say, he wasn't too unhappy with Chavez' passing.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]kingkong0124

That's why the people took it to the streets to mourn Hitler's death after he shot himself...

On the topic of dictators, Chavez did do things like take over companies and fire thousands of the people working for said companies who expressed political opposition to Chavez and told them to leave the country. Apparently that's why my Venezuelan friend is now in the states. Needless to say, he wasn't too unhappy with Chavez' passing.

coolbeans90

The people who got out of Venezuela were the wealthiest people. Venezuela was the poorest country in the region before Chávez took office and he lowered wealthy people's income so that he could take people out of poverty. He also nationalized oil industries to use that money for social programs when before only 1% of oil money was kept for the Venezuelan people and the rest was taken by foreign companies. If that means being a dictator then I welcome dictators more than presidents since they seem to do things right for once... but no he was actually a democratically elected president.

Thanks to Chávez initiative the Unasur, Celac, the Unasur Defense Council and the Bank of the South were created which were institutions crucial to make Latin America one of the few regions not affected by the economic crisis, in fact their economy grew, unemployment lowered and the social gap shrank.

I bet all those Venzuelans will go back to their country in a heartbeat once the region starts booming economically thanks to what their former president did.

He wasnt as bad as people made him out to be, but I still think he's a criminal. 

I do feel sorry for him though. 

BossPerson

@kuraimen

It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

On the topic of dictators, Chavez did do things like take over companies and fire thousands of the people working for said companies who expressed political opposition to Chavez and told them to leave the country. Apparently that's why my Venezuelan friend is now in the states. Needless to say, he wasn't too unhappy with Chavez' passing.

kuraimen

The people who got out of Venezuela were the wealthiest people. Venezuela was the poorest country in the region before Chávez took office and he lowered wealthy people's income so that he could take people out of poverty. He also nationalized oil industries to use that money for social programs when before only 1% of oil money was kept for the Venezuelan people and the rest was taken by foreign companies. If that means being a dictator then I welcome dictators more than presidents since they seem to do things right for once... but no he was actually a democratically elected president.

Thanks to Chávez initiative the Unasur, Celac, the Unasur Defense Council and the Bank of the South were created which were institutions crucial to make Latin America one of the few regions not affected by the economic crisis, in fact their economy grew, unemployment lowered and the social gap shrank.

I bet all those Venzuelans will go back to their country in a heartbeat once the region starts booming economically thanks to what their former president did.

@kuraimen

It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="thebest31406"]one_plum

That's why the people took it to the streets to mourn Hitler's death after he shot himself...

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

On the topic of dictators, Chavez did do things like take over companies and fire thousands of the people working for said companies who expressed political opposition to Chavez and told them to leave the country. Apparently that's why my Venezuelan friend is now in the states. Needless to say, he wasn't too unhappy with Chavez' passing.

DeadMan1290

The people who got out of Venezuela were the wealthiest people. Venezuela was the poorest country in the region before Chávez took office and he lowered wealthy people's income so that he could take people out of poverty. He also nationalized oil industries to use that money for social programs when before only 1% of oil money was kept for the Venezuelan people and the rest was taken by foreign companies. If that means being a dictator then I welcome dictators more than presidents since they seem to do things right for once... but no he was actually a democratically elected president.

Thanks to Chávez initiative the Unasur, Celac, the Unasur Defense Council and the Bank of the South were created which were institutions crucial to make Latin America one of the few regions not affected by the economic crisis, in fact their economy grew, unemployment lowered and the social gap shrank.

I bet all those Venzuelans will go back to their country in a heartbeat once the region starts booming economically thanks to what their former president did.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] hitler was also loved...and he was a dictatorone_plum

That's why the people took it to the streets to mourn Hitler's death after he shot himself...

@kuraimen

It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.

coolbeans90

@kuraimen

It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

@kuraimen

It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

@kuraimen

It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.

DeadMan1290

[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]

The people who got out of Venezuela were the wealthiest people. Venezuela was the poorest country in the region before Chávez took office and he lowered wealthy people's income so that he could take people out of poverty. He also nationalized oil industries to use that money for social programs when before only 1% of oil money was kept for the Venezuelan people and the rest was taken by foreign companies. If that means being a dictator then I welcome dictators more than presidents since they seem to do things right for once... but no he was actually a democratically elected president.

Thanks to Chávez initiative the Unasur, Celac, the Unasur Defense Council and the Bank of the South were created which were institutions crucial to make Latin America one of the few regions not affected by the economic crisis, in fact their economy grew, unemployment lowered and the social gap shrank.

I bet all those Venzuelans will go back to their country in a heartbeat once the region starts booming economically thanks to what their former president did.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

@kuraimen

It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.

thebest31406

[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

@kuraimen

It's one thing to carry out policies intended to help the poor. For all I know, they may have been effective policies (I'm not too familiar with the economic conditions of Venezuela, past and present). It's another to fire thousands of middle class engineers because they do not agree with said policies. In fact, I'd call it outright oppressive.

kuraimen

So seriously people, is this good or bad for Venezuela? Capitan_Kid

If anyone here would've lived in Venezuela while Chavez was in power you'd see why many left the country and hated him. Not hard to see when you live it.