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That was tough to listen to, so much hate from the parents. If they knew all along he was gay you would have thought it would have softened the blow when he came out. I guess they were hoping he would fight his sexuality.
That kid brought this on himself. You don't just insult other people's belief by saying that I don't give a crap about the word of God and that a psychologist knows better (Btw psychology is a really subjective science. It's not math) . He didn't stop there though. He continued by saying that his parents did a shitty job in raising him and that giving him food or shelter isn't raising. **** THAT DUDE. Why does he think his parents gave him shelter and food? Why did they give birth to him? Did they hope that one day he is going to grow up and go to work and pay them for their food and shelter? No they raised him out of mercy and kindness. That's a lot more than any stranger would do for you. But I guess this is a subject that you people who lived with no worries but missing the bus in the morning don't understand. Were it my own son I would disinherit him damn him and forsake him forever until he apologizes.
While this wus is raising 80,000 dollars because someone punched him in the face people are being butchered by ISIS and boko haram. Massive collateral damage is acceptable because it's not happening to you, it's happening to some Arabs. Mass slaughters, starvation, sickness. The humanity is in it's most depraved state. When I heard hadith that the Messiah will come in a time when people are harsh and injustice has filled the face of this earth I laughed and said how can this hadith be true? How can God know that his servants are going to turn into such cruel beings and never do anything about it? But now I understand. God has already shown the right path.The signs are everywhere. No apology accepted. What should be done is known to everyone and no one acts upon it. But let some folks enjoy their gay activism, feminism, socialism, capitalism, separatism, atheism, etc. Let them feel good about themselves. Let them think they're bringing something new to the table. Something that hasn't been done before. Let them think they are a revolutionary race, these "modern" human beings. Let them claim to be what they're not: humans. Let them love the smell of their own farts.
You really are a sad pathetic person. Because you don't like gays that means it's ok for parents to abuse their children? Because there is worse stuff happening else where that means we shouldn't talk about the issues happening closer to home?
You as well are a sad pathetic person but unlike you I'm gonna give you some reasons why:
- First you accused me of hating gays without ever knowing me or pointing to any part of my post that tells you that I hate all gay people in the world and not just this one person.
- Second you claimed to know me by accusing me of being a gay hater not having read my previous posts on the matter which are quite pro-gay.
- Third you engaged in an argument with no intention of having a discussion other than to call me sad and pathetic.
- Fourth you came here seeking attention not conversation.
- Fifth you twisted my words. I said the man was responsible for the outrage. He should have respected his parents more and by doing so he could have avoided being beaten but you said that I meant his parents' actions are justified.
- Sixth I said giving that slacker money while kids are dying of starvation shows how vile humanity has become instead you said that I said gays don't have the right to pursue their rights.
- Seventh You definitely are a sad pathetic being. You insulted and tried to humiliate someone who is pro-gay or at least on his way to becoming pro-gay. But now thanks to your stupidity I made the generalization that all gays are like you. They seek attention, avoid any rational discussion and instead try to force people to have empathy for them.
- Eight I'm wrong about my seventh claim. All gays are NOT like you. Only thing is that you really are a sad pathetic person.
How was he responsible for the outrage? He wasn't the one shouting at someone for their sexuality.
How can you watch a video of parents beating and screaming at their child because he had the nerve to fall in love with someone of the same sex, and say that he deserved it for being disrespectful?
Lets say the parents were attacking him because he was dating a Muslim, would you still be defending them?
First of all let me say that I both like and hate it when you compare two situations. In this case I like it. Of course I would not be defending them in the Muslim case.
I'm not defending them in this case either. What I meant was that if you disagree with someone strongly for instance a Muslim disagreeing with a Zionist you don't just go in a place where everyone is a Zionist and then tell them that their belief sucks. More importantly you don't push it. If a Muslim does so and then comes to me missing a finger or an eye I'll tell him that he himself was responsible for that. This kid shouldn't have approached this situation the way he did. But not only did he start with insulting his parents' belief but also he added that his parents didn't raise him well. That's the most offensive thing you can say to a parent.
He continued by saying that his parents did a shitty job in raising him and that giving him food or shelter isn't raising. **** THAT DUDE. Why does he think his parents gave him shelter and food? Why did they give birth to him? Did they hope that one day he is going to grow up and go to work and pay them for their food and shelter? No they raised him out of mercy and kindness. That's a lot more than any stranger would do for you. But I guess this is a subject that you people who lived with no worries but missing the bus in the morning don't understand.
My parents always gave me food, even when there was little to be had, and I never lived on the street, even though it almost come to that at times for our family.
My parents also abused me physically and psychologically on a daily basis, they taught me to be racist and homophobic and I was told that I was never to make any sort of decisions; they would make them from me. I wasn't allowed to play with other children because I needed to cook, clean, wash and everything else and when everything was done I was to just go to my room and stay out of sight. They would often tell me I was an accident that they wish they didn't have but still had hopes I would die and free them from that burden...my father first told me this when I was 3 years old. I was not to make friends or talk to anyone other than greetings. When I was 14yo my mother told me that unless she was allowed to pick my career for me she would not pay for my studies and that "she would pick whatever got me graduated the soonest and made the most money so that I could give it to her". Every time I made a connection with someone she would do whatever she could to sever that connection so I would have to be entirely reliable on them; if she couldn't get me to stop the connection from my side, they would go to the person in question and do it from there.
But they gave me food and shelter. Was that raising, or was it just keeping me alive?
My belief regarding the matter at hand mostly comes from my religious background. Being kind to your parents is an important thing in Islam. Even if you're parents hate you and disagree with you. Even if they are idolaters:
and we have enjoined on man goodness to his parents, and if they contend with you that you should associate (others) with me, of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them, to me is your return, so i will inform you of what you did.
and your lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but him, and goodness to your parents. if either or both of them reach old age with you, say not to them (so much as) "ugh" nor chide them, and speak to them a generous word. and make yourself submissively gentle to them with compassion, and say: o my lord! have compassion on them, as they brought me up (when i was) little.
and we have enjoined man in respect of his parents.-- his mother bears him with faintings upon faintings and his weaning takes two years-- saying: be grateful to me and to both your parents; to me is the eventual coming and if they contend with you that you should associate with me what you have no knowledge of, do not obey them, and keep company with them in this world kindly, and follow the way of him who turns to me, then to me is your return, then will i inform you of what you did.
Bear in mind that associating others with God is the greatest sin in Islam and the only unforgivable sin.
I can't put myself in your place though...
How was he responsible for the outrage? He wasn't the one shouting at someone for their sexuality.
How can you watch a video of parents beating and screaming at their child because he had the nerve to fall in love with someone of the same sex, and say that he deserved it for being disrespectful?
Lets say the parents were attacking him because he was dating a Muslim, would you still be defending them?
First of all let me say that I both like and hate it when you compare two situations. In this case I like it. Of course I would not be defending them in the Muslim case.
I'm not defending them in this case either. What I meant was that if you disagree with someone strongly for instance a Muslim disagreeing with a Zionist you don't just go in a place where everyone is a Zionist and then tell them that their belief sucks. More importantly you don't push it. If a Muslim does so and then comes to me missing a finger or an eye I'll tell him that he himself was responsible for the that. This kid shouldn't have approached this situation the way he did. But not only did he started with insulting his parents' belief but also he added that his parents didn't raise him well. That's the most offensive thing you can say to a parent.
My parents always gave me food, even when there was little to be had, and I never lived on the street, even though it almost come to that at times for our family.
My parents also abused me physically and psychologically on a daily basis, they taught me to be racist and homophobic and I was told that I was never to make any sort of decisions; they would make them from me. I wasn't allowed to play with other children because I needed to cook, clean, wash and everything else and when everything was done I was to just go to my room and stay out of sight. They would often tell me I was an accident that they wish they didn't have but still had hopes I would die and free them from that burden...my father first told me this when I was 3 years old. I was not to make friends or talk to anyone other than greetings. When I was 14yo my mother told me that unless she was allowed to pick my career for me she would not pay for my studies and that "she would pick whatever got me graduated the soonest and made the most money so that I could give it to her". Every time I made a connection with someone she would do whatever she could to sever that connection so I would have to be entirely reliable on them; if she couldn't get me to stop the connection from my side, they would go to the person in question and do it from there.
But they gave me food and shelter. Was that raising, or was it just keeping me alive?
My belief regarding the matter at hand mostly comes from my religious background. Being kind to your parents is an important thing in Islam. Even if you're parents hate you and disagree with you. Even if they are idolaters:
and we have enjoined on man goodness to his parents, and if they contend with you that you should associate (others) with me, of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them, to me is your return, so i will inform you of what you did.
and your lord has commanded that you shall not serve (any) but him, and goodness to your parents. if either or both of them reach old age with you, say not to them (so much as) "ugh" nor chide them, and speak to them a generous word. and make yourself submissively gentle to them with compassion, and say: o my lord! have compassion on them, as they brought me up (when i was) little.
and we have enjoined man in respect of his parents.-- his mother bears him with faintings upon faintings and his weaning takes two years-- saying: be grateful to me and to both your parents; to me is the eventual coming and if they contend with you that you should associate with me what you have no knowledge of, do not obey them, and keep company with them in this world kindly, and follow the way of him who turns to me, then to me is your return, then will i inform you of what you did.
Bear in mind that associating others with God is the greatest sin in Islam and the only unforgivable sin.
I can't put myself in your place though...
He did push anything on them. He is gay. He has as much control over that as he does his skin colour (even less if you count skin bleaching). He never said their belief sucks. All he did was say that he's gay and tell them (rightfully) that they are wrong to assume being gay is a choice (something that is never mentioned in the bible)
Why would you be against parents attacking their child for dating a Muslim? How is this situation any different (other than the fact that Islam is a religion not innate like sexuality is)? Why is it better to tell your parents that you are dating a Muslim than it is to say you are dating a guy? You claim that you don't hate gays yet you seem to think that it is bad for someone to be open about their sexuality. Well surely a person dating a Muslim should have to hide that just like a gay person does. After all if you grow up in a Muslim hating house you shouldn't be pushing that on them.
Remember it was the parents that disowned him. He didn't make them kick him out. He didn't insult their believes, he didn't force them to do anything. All he did was tell them that he is gay, and that he didn't choose to be gay.
@alim298: Then I have probably done well in the eyes of your God. I never fought them, challenged them or refused them. I was always obedient and submissive because they brainwashed me that way.
I would say that the ideal situation for me in a case like this would be for my parents to totally support me so I would ask how this gets me closer to that goal.
Like I said before, it seemed like he was on his way out anyway so why burn that bridge? I think this is a young kid and if he were older he would had done things differently.
Why record it? Maybe he thought it would get ugly so he wanted evidence for the police but then why post it in Youtube? To shame them? Just say: "shame on you. How about you love the sinner but not the sin?" and then be on your way. He seek out the confrontation, instead of conversing.
I would rather be on a Cold War than a Hot War with my parents (even if he is now in a de facto Cold War with his parents).
It's good to see he's already gathered about $80,000 in donations in just one day, to help him get on his feet and start his new life without his family there to support him.
....ah.....where are my donations? I live on the other side of the world so my family can't support me either. Donate now.
@alim298: Then I have probably done well in the eyes of your God. I never fought them, challenged them or refused them. I was always obedient and submissive because they brainwashed me that way.
Well one shouldn't be obedient of his parents if their orders go against the will of God. But even if they instruct him to associate others with God he is not to insult them or attack them but only to disobey them. I'm pretty sure you did not obey them in such cases.
But would you hurt them or insult them even if there was no brainwashing? I doubt you would. You are a good man. You wouldn't hurt them even if you could. That's the reason you have been so successful in your life in my book. Because you endured hardship and evil but never embraced it yourself. And then you tried to depart from it. Do you think my God teaches anything but that?
He did push anything on them. He is gay. He has as much control over that as he does his skin colour (even less if you count skin bleaching). He never said their belief sucks. All he did was say that he's gay and tell them (rightfully) that they are wrong to assume being gay is a choice (something that is never mentioned in the bible)
Why would you be against parents attacking their child for dating a Muslim? How is this situation any different (other than the fact that Islam is a religion not innate like sexuality is)? Why is it better to tell your parents that you are dating a Muslim than it is to say you are dating a guy? You claim that you don't hate gays yet you seem to think that it is bad for someone to be open about their sexuality. Well surely a person dating a Muslim should have to hide that just like a gay person does. After all if you grow up in a Muslim hating house you shouldn't be pushing that on them.
Remember it was the parents that disowned him. He didn't make them kick him out. He didn't insult their believes, he didn't force them to do anything. All he did was tell them that he is gay, and that he didn't choose to be gay.
By pushing I meant that he further insisted on having an argument with them. He could have just said I'm gay and then be done with it. Who cares what his parents think. Who cares if they think sexuality is a choice? But he had to explain it to them even though he knew it's not going to have any effect on them.
Again I'm against parents attacking their child because he is gay. And yes if someone dating a Muslim knows that his parents aren't going to be happy about it he too has to take a different approach from suddenly trying to explain to them how good Muslims are and how Islam is a great religion. You can't change people's views by talking to them for only ten minutes. It only makes them angry. If you truly feel the need to tell them the truth then don't turn it into a debate. Just tell them the reality then move on and allow them to calm down.
@alim298: Then I have probably done well in the eyes of your God. I never fought them, challenged them or refused them. I was always obedient and submissive because they brainwashed me that way.
Well one shouldn't be obedient of his parents if their orders goes against the will of God. But even if they instruct him to associate others with God he is not to insult them or attack them but only to disobey them. I'm pretty sure you did not obey them in such cases.
But would you hurt them or insult them even if there was no brainwashing? I doubt you would. You are a good man. You wouldn't hurt them even if you could. That's the reason you have been so successful in your life in my book. Because you endured hardship and evil but never embraced it yourself. And then you tried to depart from it. Do you think my God teaches anything but that?
He did push anything on them. He is gay. He has as much control over that as he does his skin colour (even less if you count skin bleaching). He never said their belief sucks. All he did was say that he's gay and tell them (rightfully) that they are wrong to assume being gay is a choice (something that is never mentioned in the bible)
Why would you be against parents attacking their child for dating a Muslim? How is this situation any different (other than the fact that Islam is a religion not innate like sexuality is)? Why is it better to tell your parents that you are dating a Muslim than it is to say you are dating a guy? You claim that you don't hate gays yet you seem to think that it is bad for someone to be open about their sexuality. Well surely a person dating a Muslim should have to hide that just like a gay person does. After all if you grow up in a Muslim hating house you shouldn't be pushing that on them.
Remember it was the parents that disowned him. He didn't make them kick him out. He didn't insult their believes, he didn't force them to do anything. All he did was tell them that he is gay, and that he didn't choose to be gay.
By pushing I meant that he further insisted on having an argument with them. He could have just said I'm gay and then be done with it. Who cares what his parents think. Who cares if they think sexuality is a not choice? But he had to explain it to them even though he knew it's not going to have any effect on them.
Again I'm against parents attacking their child because he is gay. And yes if someone dating a Muslim knows that he's parents aren't going to be happy about it he too has to take a different approach from suddenly trying to explain to them how good Muslims are and how Islam is a great religion. You can't change one's views by talking to them for only ten minutes. It only makes them angry. If you truly feel the need to tell them the truth then don't turn it into a debate. Just tell them the reality then move away and allow them to calm down.
What you're saying makes sense if he was just some random guy, but he was their son. A parent is supposed to love their child, they clearly don't love him. You say that he should tell them the reality and let them calm down, that's exactly what he did. Watch the video again, he doesn't shout or insult them. All he did was say that he was gay and correct them when they falsely say he made a choice.
Again it was them that disowned him. He didn't push the argument further, they did.
@toast_burner: It all boils down to the fact that I think of the guy in the video and his parents as douches and you think only of the parents as douches. There's no point arguing over that.
Maybe the guy is a douche. But he doesn't have a child that he is kicking out onto the streets.
The parents not once asked him if he had anywhere else to stay, they clearly don't care about him at all. What does your religion say about parents abandoning their children?
@alim298: Well, without the brainwashing I would probably have done things different for myself, which I guess would have hurt their intentions...
@toast_burner: It all boils down to the fact that I think of the guy in the video and his parents as douches and you think only of the parents as douches. There's no point arguing over that.
Maybe the guy is a douche. But he doesn't have a child that he is kicking out onto the streets.
The parents not once asked him if he had anywhere else to stay, they clearly don't care about him at all. What does your religion say about parents abandoning their children?
If your son is under 15 it's against the Islamic law. You HAVE to provide for him no matter what. If he is above 15 and there's no way that he can be financially independent even if he wanted to, again financing him is obligatory.
If it's a daughter I guess you have to provide for her until she gets married.
There are various punishments. The Islamic court can take part of his belongings and give them to his wife so that she can raise her kids. In some cases he may be sent to jail. If the mother too abandons her children then it's up to the Islamic government to financially support the kids.
All that is aside from the fact that such behavior is greatly frowned upon especially in hadth.
@Master_Live: "Like I said before, it seemed like he was on his way out anyway so why burn that bridge? I think this is a young kid and if he were older he would had done things differently."
After watching the video again
not defending the parents actions here but the boy had a slight attitude about the whole thing, telling your deeply religious parents that science trumps the word of god is a bit disrespectful. But things seemed to escalate when voices were starting to raise and the son seemed to take a step forward in an aggressive manor and shouted at his mother, that's when she got up and started hitting him. I know if I acted like that towards my mother I would get some slaps also lol. I think maybe the boy will regret how it he went about the whole thing.
IMO as I think someone else stated he should have told them he is gay, but should not have tried to argue with them using scientific reasoning and dismiss their beliefs in the process, he should have just said, "I'm sorry you guys feel that way, I hope in time you will accept me for who I am bla bla bla". Also saying that putting food on the table and a roof over his head is not raising him, prob didn't help.
@MakeMeaSammitch: nah, i'm good
it's a tough time for the morally upright.
they have enough education to understand all people deserve human rights but not enough to realize biology controls this shit.
so what philosophy do you get when those two worlds collide?
that people choose to be gay, because otherwise it would be wrong to deny them basic human rights.
Fags aren't welcome down here in the south *Spits jerkey into bucket*
But seriously that's some f***** up stuff.
@Master_Live: well, hell. the penalties i'm not about to into though.
I'd have the mother, or whoever was hitting him, arrested for assault. Let's see how she responds when her neighbours find out that she condones violence. Totally self centred people. OMG, he opted for teh gay! What will the neighbours think! They might think I condone teh gay. What if I catch it in the shower or from the toilet seat?
@Master_Live: "Like I said before, it seemed like he was on his way out anyway so why burn that bridge? I think this is a young kid and if he were older he would had done things differently."
After watching the video again
not defending the parents actions here but the boy had a slight attitude about the whole thing, telling your deeply religious parents that science trumps the word of god is a bit disrespectful. But things seemed to escalate when voices were starting to raise and the son seemed to take a step forward in an aggressive manor and shouted at his mother, that's when she got up and started hitting him. I know if I acted like that towards my mother I would get some slaps also lol. I think maybe the boy will regret how it he went about the whole thing.
IMO as I think someone else stated he should have told them he is gay, but should not have tried to argue with them using scientific reasoning and dismiss their beliefs in the process, he should have just said, "I'm sorry you guys feel that way, I hope in time you will accept me for who I am bla bla bla". Also saying that putting food on the table and a roof over his head is not raising him, prob didn't help.
Shouldn't his parents have said, "I'm sorry you're gay, hopefully you will change your ways in time". I mean, they are supposed to be the mature ones. Of course, they're morons incapable of basic reasoning in reality but that's beside the point.
Am I the only one that laughed a little?
Anyway, there are many things wrong with that family.
"You chose the path to choose"
lol
Fucking mental midgets.
Well that was very uncomfortable to watch..
@watchdogsrules: Haha, your post in the "cheating on tests thread" goes hand in hand with this. You don't know how to use your brain lmao.
@parkurtommo: didn't know somebody stalks me when i post on here...........................................
@parkurtommo: didn't know somebody stalks me when i post on here...........................................
I literally only checked 2 threads, the other one being that thread. I've only visited OT maybe twice this entire year (yesterday being the other time)
Just saying, you cheated on tests because you were fucking stupid, and since you didn't learn anything, you're still stupid! Go figure!
@parkurtommo: so basically your saying all those guys in that thread who said yeah are stupid too? plus, your basically saying i'm stupid because i don't support gay people. wow, what dumb logic and mind set you have.
@parkurtommo: so basically your saying all those guys in that thread who said yeah are stupid too? plus, your basically saying i'm stupid because i don't support gay people. wow, what dumb logic and mind set you have.
Not supporting homosexuality isdumb, because that's denying rights to a huge amount of people.
Not really, not everyone who cheats is stupid, but you also mentioned you failed them afterwards, now THAT my friend, is stupidity. Plain and simple.
@parkurtommo: well see now i would care about denying huge amount of people's rights, but i don't really care because i'm not them, not my problem. btw, i'm done arguing with ignorant people. got over that a long time ago.
@watchdogsrules: you're in for a rude awakening one day. First of all, anyone that's known gay people is aware that it's not a choice, at all, gay men are grossed out by vaginas like straight men don't like to see a penis.
Second of all it's not your place to judge anyone, ever. Your ignorant viewpoint is embarrassing for you. I believe in god more than most people and you know what determines what happens to your soul? How you treat people, being gay is not a choice; fact. Shame on you. Shame on all of you, maybe the bible says it's a sin to be gay but really, that's just idiotic. It can't be a sin for someone to exist, that's just bad logic.
@rabakill: well i said i don't support them, never said i hate them and i never treat them badly. and i know what happens to my soul, thats probably the MAIN reason why i DON'T hate gay people. if i do, its hell, no questions asked.
That was really tough to listen to. I'm not a parent, but I could never see myself treating my own kid like that, especially if I always believed him to be gay as the parents said in the video.
I'm legitimately feeling shell shocked by this video. This family is more okay with committing violence against one of their own than with him being attracted to someone with the same genitalia. They are kicking him out because others might see it as condoning homosexuality if they do not do so. They are taking his moment of coming out and making it about themselves.
I need a drink.
Am I the only one that laughed a little?
Anyway, there are many things wrong with that family.
I laughed at the beginning ignorance of, "I have know that you were gay since you were a tiny little boy."
"Then you know it's not a choice."
"And you have made a choice."
then the rest of the video happened, and disturbed the **** out of me.
I don't think I could ever be so hateful to my own son. That "woman of God" or whatever is full of it, and hopefully whatever can be done to hasten the extinction of her hurtful beliefs, is being done.
It sux, but, it is unfair to demand parents to love their children like this. And a smart kid would already anticipated this outcome and wait it out. And yes, I am gay and I know how it feels like. But, it is always better to wait it out to avoid unnecessary conflict. There are times I wanted to tell my parents I have a master. And everyone I have dated said the same thing, wait it out until I can be on my own. Because all of us gays have to considered the worst case scenario. So, no. I don't blame the parents. Unless there is depression issues. A gay should be patient and wait it out.
Well I don't mean to call you out but I think by recommending this guy waits you are totally missing the point of this video, and why its so sad. Would you expect a straight person to "wait" to enjoy happiness with their chosen partner, or wait to move in with them? Do you think as a straight male I ever needed to have a conversation as horrible as the one that guy had to endure? Do you think I ever had to "wait it out"?
No because in the eyes of society I unintentionally fell straight into the category of being part of the "normal" straight majority. Why should a gay person be any different?
I would argue that criticizing him for coming out is only a fraction better than condemning him entirely.
Am I the only one that laughed a little?
Anyway, there are many things wrong with that family.
I laughed at the beginning ignorance of, "I have know that you were gay since you were a tiny little boy."
"Then you know it's not a choice."
"And you have made a choice."
then the rest of the video happened, and disturbed the **** out of me.
I think the choice she is referring to is choosing to not repent his wicked ways.
It's weird the mother said she has gay friends, so she can tolerate her gay friends but can not tolerate her own flesh and blood because he is gay. Dat irony.
It's weird the mother said she has gay friends, so she can tolerate her gay friends but can not tolerate her own flesh and blood because he is gay. Dat irony.
She only cares about how others see her. She said that she can't have gay family members in her house because then people will think she condones homosexuality. She can't be blamed for her friends being gay.
She's an evil self centred stupid bitch.
Am I the only one that laughed a little?
Anyway, there are many things wrong with that family.
I laughed at the beginning ignorance of, "I have know that you were gay since you were a tiny little boy."
"Then you know it's not a choice."
"And you have made a choice."
then the rest of the video happened, and disturbed the **** out of me.
I think the choice she is referring to is choosing to not repent his wicked ways.
if only we could stop being naturally attracted to people she might have a point.
Le sigh. Mind boggling.
I do find it satisfying that the daft cunts that are this guys parents are going to rot in the ground like the rest of us. Rather than go to "heaven".
OR- say heaven & hell are real. How hilarious it would be if the mother goes to "Hell" for throwing her kid out on the streets and physically attacking him because of the way he was born. The irony would be delicious.
I like how she said "I don't want people to thing i condone this"
And then she said "I have gay friends"
:|
How all that is condoned in modern society is unacceptable. It is one thing to disagree with something, but it is something else entirely to attack someone because of that thing. We condemn Middle Easterners for the perpetration of religious beliefs in their culture and then act the same way behind closed doors. I am a religious person, but I will not attack someone because of it. That is an example of hypocrisy.
You know what the biggest hypocrisy is in this thread and in the video, the idea that some how religious beliefs are ok to disregard and no one need to respect the people trying to uphold their beliefs. While at the same time demanding respect for people when it comes to sexuality or their rights to be who they want to be.
Its pretty absurd to witness .
That kid brought this on himself. You don't just insult other people's belief by saying that I don't give a crap about the word of God and that a psychologist knows better (Btw psychology is a really subjective science. It's not math) . He didn't stop there though. He continued by saying that his parents did a shitty job in raising him and that giving him food or shelter isn't raising. **** THAT DUDE. Why does he think his parents gave him shelter and food? Why did they give birth to him? Did they hope that one day he is going to grow up and go to work and pay them for their food and shelter? No they raised him out of mercy and kindness. That's a lot more than any stranger would do for you. But I guess this is a subject that you people who lived with no worries but missing the bus in the morning don't understand. Were it my own son I would disinherit him damn him and forsake him forever until he apologizes.
While this wus is raising 80,000 dollars because someone punched him in the face people are being butchered by ISIS and boko haram. Massive collateral damage is acceptable because it's not happening to you, it's happening to some Arabs. Mass slaughters, starvation, sickness. The humanity is in it's most depraved state. When I heard hadith that the Messiah will come in a time when people are harsh and injustice has filled the face of this earth I laughed and said how can this hadith be true? How can God know that his servants are going to turn into such cruel beings and never do anything about it? But now I understand. God has already shown the right path.The signs are everywhere. No apology accepted. What should be done is known to everyone and no one acts upon it. But let some folks enjoy their gay activism, feminism, socialism, capitalism, separatism, atheism, etc. Let them feel good about themselves. Let them think they're bringing something new to the table. Something that hasn't been done before. Let them think they are a revolutionary race, these "modern" human beings. Let them claim to be what they're not: humans. Let them love the smell of their own farts.
You really are a sad pathetic person. Because you don't like gays that means it's ok for parents to abuse their children? Because there is worse stuff happening else where that means we shouldn't talk about the issues happening closer to home?
Wow you are really something. You call others sad and pathetic.
First of all these parents haven´t abused their kid, they have fed and clearly given him a loving home for 20 years and made him strong enough so that he can think this confrontation up and even record it to get support all because he decides that he is gay. Even when they knew from early on that he swung that way.
Also if you in your clearly liberal mindset actually tried to hear what was being said, the family said that if he demanded that they openly accepted that he was gay, he would have to leave since it was against their religious beliefs. And i find it just insane that anyone would say "hey **** that , they need to accept their son no matter what" that's ridiculous, because religious people are also human beings that have every right to demand the same respect as anyone else.
So please go on being a hypocrite.
How all that is condoned in modern society is unacceptable. It is one thing to disagree with something, but it is something else entirely to attack someone because of that thing. We condemn Middle Easterners for the perpetration of religious beliefs in their culture and then act the same way behind closed doors. I am a religious person, but I will not attack someone because of it. That is an example of hypocrisy.
You know what the biggest hypocrisy is in this thread and in the video, the idea that some how religious beliefs are ok to disregard and no one need to respect the people trying to uphold their beliefs. While at the same time demanding respect for people when it comes to sexuality or their rights to be who they want to be.
Its pretty absurd to witness .
As you say, it is certainly hypocritical.
Just because a belief is religious doesn't mean it should be accepted and respected. Awful beliefs are awful beliefs
First of all these parents haven´t abused their kid,
You don't know that.
Clearly? How is it clearly?
Just because a belief is religious doesn't mean it should be accepted and respected. Awful beliefs are awful beliefs when it comes to homosexuality.
what's hypocritical is thinking a religious belief automatically deserves respect.
Why is it ok to say you hate gays because god told you to, but wrong to say you hate them because of any other reason?
That kid brought this on himself. You don't just insult other people's belief by saying that I don't give a crap about the word of God and that a psychologist knows better (Btw psychology is a really subjective science. It's not math) . He didn't stop there though. He continued by saying that his parents did a shitty job in raising him and that giving him food or shelter isn't raising. **** THAT DUDE. Why does he think his parents gave him shelter and food? Why did they give birth to him? Did they hope that one day he is going to grow up and go to work and pay them for their food and shelter? No they raised him out of mercy and kindness. That's a lot more than any stranger would do for you. But I guess this is a subject that you people who lived with no worries but missing the bus in the morning don't understand. Were it my own son I would disinherit him damn him and forsake him forever until he apologizes.
While this wus is raising 80,000 dollars because someone punched him in the face people are being butchered by ISIS and boko haram. Massive collateral damage is acceptable because it's not happening to you, it's happening to some Arabs. Mass slaughters, starvation, sickness. The humanity is in it's most depraved state. When I heard hadith that the Messiah will come in a time when people are harsh and injustice has filled the face of this earth I laughed and said how can this hadith be true? How can God know that his servants are going to turn into such cruel beings and never do anything about it? But now I understand. God has already shown the right path.The signs are everywhere. No apology accepted. What should be done is known to everyone and no one acts upon it. But let some folks enjoy their gay activism, feminism, socialism, capitalism, separatism, atheism, etc. Let them feel good about themselves. Let them think they're bringing something new to the table. Something that hasn't been done before. Let them think they are a revolutionary race, these "modern" human beings. Let them claim to be what they're not: humans. Let them love the smell of their own farts.
You really are a sad pathetic person. Because you don't like gays that means it's ok for parents to abuse their children? Because there is worse stuff happening else where that means we shouldn't talk about the issues happening closer to home?
Wow you are really something. You call others sad and pathetic.
First of all these parents haven´t abused their kid, they have fed and clearly given him a loving home for 20 years and made him strong enough so that he can think this confrontation up and even record it to get support all because he decides that he is gay. Even when they knew from early on that he swung that way.
Also if you in your clearly liberal mindset actually tried to hear what was being said, the family said that if he demanded that they openly accepted that he was gay, he would have to leave since it was against their religious beliefs. And i find it just insane that anyone would say "hey **** that , they need to accept their son no matter what" that's ridiculous, because religious people are also human beings that have every right to demand the same respect as anyone else.
So please go on being a hypocrite.
Yes, I'm sure it was a very loving home considering the fact that the woman admitted she cares more about what other people think of her than supporting her own son. LOL I can only imagine what it must have been like growing up in a house like that. From my point of view, conservatives often make horrible parents because they refuse to except certain things about their kids. If their kid becomes an atheist, they often disown them. If they are white and marry a black person, they often disown them. If they turn out to be gay, they often disown them. Now tell me, how often do you hear about atheists disowning their kid for becoming a christian? And you guys like to say gay people aren't fit to be parents but have you ever heard of a gay couple disowning their kid for being straight? LOL No, its just these backwards-thinking religious fundie conservatives like this guy's parents who put their own beliefs above loving their kids.
what's hypocritical is thinking a religious belief automatically deserves respect.
I consider the American stance that all religious beliefs should be respected as acceptable, though I do not agree with all of them. My acceptance of this stance is because it prevents religious persecution. Rather than it be persecution of one group or the other -religious or not- I prefer the alternative of agreeing to disagree. Civility is paramount to a functioning society even if it is not unified in all aspects.
Do you think that is fair?
what's hypocritical is thinking a religious belief automatically deserves respect.
I consider the American stance that all religious beliefs should be respected as acceptable, though I do not agree with all of them. My acceptance of this stance is because it prevents religious persecution. Rather than it be persecution of one group or the other -religious or not- I prefer the alternative of agreeing to disagree. Civility is paramount to a functioning society even if it is not unified in all aspects.
Do you think that is fair?
You haven't answered the question. Why does it matter if a person is homophobic for religious reasons or non-religious reasons. But then again aren't you the guy that got angry at me for saying that religious people and atheists are equal?
It seems you don't care about acceptance or equality, you just want a free pass.
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