How Gamespot degenerated over the years

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#101 Edited by N30F3N1X (8603 posts) -

@BranKetra said:

@N30F3N1X: Seeing as forum activity was much higher during the time you referred to negatively, you will forgive me for not agreeing with you unconditionally.

I am uncertain if it is your intention, but you seem to be making excuses for the behavior Carolyn Petit was the target of which, if in actuality is your intention, would be outrageous.

I'm not sure what the fact that GS was more popular has to do with what I said but ok. I did intend that as partly opinion.

I said she got what was coming to her for her poor professionalism, and unlike what you said, the reckoning that hit her had absolutely nothing to do with her gender or sex. At least not her gender by itself, but rather how she kept shoving her obnoxious gender and sex related agenda in every article she wrote. I remember not being able to finish reading a single column written by her without facepalming and feeling uneasy when wondering if that was really where the state of gaming journalism was at. Hence, the guys that did eventually snap didn't do so out of the blue, they did have their reasons. If that was the answer you wanted, yes, I do excuse them. The tone in which criticism is expressed is by itself part of the criticism and any person mature enough to surf the internet should both know it and how to interpret it.

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#102 Posted by toast_burner (24666 posts) -

@N30F3N1X said:

@BranKetra said:

@N30F3N1X: Seeing as forum activity was much higher during the time you referred to negatively, you will forgive me for not agreeing with you unconditionally.

I am uncertain if it is your intention, but you seem to be making excuses for the behavior Carolyn Petit was the target of which, if in actuality is your intention, would be outrageous.

I'm not sure what the fact that GS was more popular has to do with what I said but ok. I did intend that as partly opinion.

I said she got what was coming to her for her poor professionalism, and unlike what you said, the reckoning that hit her had absolutely nothing to do with her gender or sex. At least not her gender by itself, but rather how she kept shoving her obnoxious gender and sex related agenda in every article she wrote. I remember not being able to finish reading a single column written by her without facepalming and feeling uneasy when wondering if that was really where the state of gaming journalism was at. Hence, the guys that did eventually snap didn't do so out of the blue, they did have their reasons. If that was the answer you wanted, yes, I do excuse them. The tone in which criticism is expressed is by itself part of the criticism and any person mature enough to surf the internet should both know it and how to interpret it.

So someone deserve death threats for writing a review you disagree with? Seriously?!

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#103 Posted by N30F3N1X (8603 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

So someone deserve death threats for writing a review you disagree with? Seriously?!

^A prime example of what it means to read something and not understand a word of it.

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#104 Posted by toast_burner (24666 posts) -

@N30F3N1X said:

@toast_burner said:

So someone deserve death threats for writing a review you disagree with? Seriously?!

^A prime example of what it means to read something and not understand a word of it.

Well what did you mean? BranKetra points out the horrible comments Carolyn received and you say "she had it coming"

It seems you're the one who reads something but doesn't understand it.

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#105 Posted by PurpleLabel (314 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@N30F3N1X said:

@toast_burner said:

So someone deserve death threats for writing a review you disagree with? Seriously?!

^A prime example of what it means to read something and not understand a word of it.

Well what did you mean? BranKetra points out the horrible comments Carolyn received and you say "she had it coming"

It seems you're the one who reads something but doesn't understand it.

She did have it coming. She had a political agenda that had nothing to do with video games. I don't think death threats were warranted and people that gave them need mental help. She was toxic to this site though, and i'm glad they canned her ass.

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#106 Edited by toast_burner (24666 posts) -

@purplelabel said:

@toast_burner said:

@N30F3N1X said:

@toast_burner said:

So someone deserve death threats for writing a review you disagree with? Seriously?!

^A prime example of what it means to read something and not understand a word of it.

Well what did you mean? BranKetra points out the horrible comments Carolyn received and you say "she had it coming"

It seems you're the one who reads something but doesn't understand it.

She did have it coming. She had a political agenda that had nothing to do with video games. I don't think death threats were warranted and people that gave them need mental help. She was toxic to this site though, and i'm glad they canned her ass.

So whats the "it" you speak of? I assume you mean losing her job, well that isn't what's being discussed.

Why would a person deserve any kind of hate at all for writing a review you disagree with? You do realise that reviews aren't supposed to be objective. they're just opinions. You are hating a person for having an opinion.

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#107 Edited by BranKetra (51726 posts) -

@N30F3N1X said:

@BranKetra said:

@N30F3N1X: Seeing as forum activity was much higher during the time you referred to negatively, you will forgive me for not agreeing with you unconditionally.

I am uncertain if it is your intention, but you seem to be making excuses for the behavior Carolyn Petit was the target of which, if in actuality is your intention, would be outrageous.

I'm not sure what the fact that GS was more popular has to do with what I said but ok. I did intend that as partly opinion.

I said she got what was coming to her for her poor professionalism, and unlike what you said, the reckoning that hit her had absolutely nothing to do with her gender or sex. At least not her gender by itself, but rather how she kept shoving her obnoxious gender and sex related agenda in every article she wrote. I remember not being able to finish reading a single column written by her without facepalming and feeling uneasy when wondering if that was really where the state of gaming journalism was at. Hence, the guys that did eventually snap didn't do so out of the blue, they did have their reasons. If that was the answer you wanted, yes, I do excuse them. The tone in which criticism is expressed is by itself part of the criticism and any person mature enough to surf the internet should both know it and how to interpret it.

Actually, it did. The former GameSpot writer we are discussing was subject to ridicule in part because of gender and sex. No one deserves such unjust treatment and because of a game review of all things. If gamers wish to be regarded as a group worthy of integration into mainstream culture rather than remaining associated with a niche medium, some changes in behavior need to be made and while I did not agree with everything Carolyn Petit wrote, entitlement of opinion is something that is limited, but what was said about that individual was going far beyond what was tolerable. To say anyone has such treatment coming is wrong.

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#108 Posted by ktseymour (1000 posts) -

@dave123321:

Very true. I haven't been here in years and not much has changed but didn't really expect it to. Tried IGN but that site makes the fall of GS look like the Renaissance or the Golden Ages; I really can't think of any good gaming sites anymore at all though?

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#109 Posted by N30F3N1X (8603 posts) -
@BranKetra said:

Actually, it did. The former GameSpot writer we are discussing was subject to ridicule in part because of gender and sex. No one deserves such unjust treatment and because of a game review of all things. If gamers wish to be regarded as a group worthy of integration into mainstream culture rather than remaining associated with a niche medium, some changes in behavior need to be made and while I did not agree with everything Carolyn Petit wrote, entitlement of opinion is something that is limited, but what was said about that individual was going far beyond what was tolerable. To say anyone has such treatment coming is wrong.

Noone targeted her for hate simply because she is a transgender. The "was subject to ridicule" you're speaking of is akin to children being mean to gingers or other kids wearing brackets - it's part of how the "hate" is expressed, not the reason for the hate itself. If people hated her simply because of that they wouldn't have bothered waiting for a written review to come out - she was a member of GS since before last gen even started. The flak she got over her review was because she wrote wrong things for wrong reasons in the wrong manners to the wrong audience. And that's not really up for debate.

"If gamers wish to be regarded as a group worthy of integration" Please keep your high school freshman rants out of this. Similar episodes happen in the movie industry aswell. If anything it's this kind of existentialist whining about being accepted that's something that needs to be ironed out.

No, she did have it coming. That's not really up for debate either. You don't get to push an outlandish agenda that aims to portrait as evil every developer who follows his own creative sense rather than some unjustified, nonsensical desire to keep the portrayal of both sexes as "equals" and every gamer that doesn't protest at this, then use your position as a professionial to give more exposure to said agenda while forgetting this little thing called professionalism even exists, and then get away with it. Noone should have stood for it - not the gamers, not the developers, not the other journalists.
If what you didn't like is the tone that was used in criticizing her I suggest you switch hobbies with something that doesn't give anyone enough exposure to end up on the internet, because such episodes happened long before this and will keep happening for a long time.

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#110 Posted by N30F3N1X (8603 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

So whats the "it" you speak of? I assume you mean losing her job, well that isn't what's being discussed.

Why would a person deserve any kind of hate at all for writing a review you disagree with? You do realise that reviews aren't supposed to be objective. they're just opinions. You are hating a person for having an opinion.

@N30F3N1X said:

^A prime example of what it means to read something and not understand a word of it.

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#111 Edited by BranKetra (51726 posts) -

@N30F3N1X: The thing is that Carolyn Petit received hate about gender and sex unrelated to Grand Theft Auto V as a response to the review which Carolyn made for it. That is not debatable. It occurred. I read the posts. Many others did, too. You apparently did not.

At no point did I rant or speak as a current beginner high school student.

What occurred then to that individual will not repeat itself here with anyone else. That era is over, sorry.

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#112 Posted by N30F3N1X (8603 posts) -

@BranKetra said:

@N30F3N1X: The thing is that Carolyn Petit received hate about gender and sex unrelated to Grand Theft Auto V as a response to the review which Carolyn made for it. That is not debatable. It occurred. I read the posts. Many others did, too. You apparently did not.

At no point did I rant or speak as a current beginner high school student.

What occurred then to that individual will not repeat itself here with anyone else. That era is over, sorry.

Now I remember why I haven't been here in months. In soviet Gamespot, cause follows effect, the Sun spins around the Earth, and logic can be skipped if it doesn't fit my argument snugly enough.

I damn well hope it won't happen with anyone else. Journalism in gaming is a joke as it is, I'd prefer if journalists either killed it without making the rest of the gaming world look like fools, or started being more efficient in eliminating the bad roots.

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#113 Edited by BranKetra (51726 posts) -

@N30F3N1X said:

@BranKetra said:

@N30F3N1X: The thing is that Carolyn Petit received hate about gender and sex unrelated to Grand Theft Auto V as a response to the review which Carolyn made for it. That is not debatable. It occurred. I read the posts. Many others did, too. You apparently did not.

At no point did I rant or speak as a current beginner high school student.

What occurred then to that individual will not repeat itself here with anyone else. That era is over, sorry.

Now I remember why I haven't been here in months. In soviet Gamespot, cause follows effect, the Sun spins around the Earth, and logic can be skipped if it doesn't fit my argument snugly enough.

I damn well hope it won't happen with anyone else. Journalism in gaming is a joke as it is, I'd prefer if journalists either killed it without making the rest of the gaming world look like fools, or started being more efficient in eliminating the bad roots.

I do not understand what you are insinuating, but I can say that it is your choice if you wish to refrain from coming here.

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#114 Posted by fueled-system (6529 posts) -

Carolyn was not a great game reviewer, she had too much of a habit of trying to find something to be upset about and turning it into a political issue. The hate she received was was fair when it concerned the reviews but yes, many comments were going over the line

In all honesty though, do you expect anything less from the GTA fanbase? Easily the worst of the worst in terms of a community. The other many of many reviews where everybody "surprisingly" disagreed with her, the "hate" comments were nothing more than what any of the others would have gotten and were more on the lines of calling them what they were which is an awful review

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#115 Posted by whipassmt (15375 posts) -

@The-Apostle said:

TC forgot to mention changing the site and getting rid of unions. >_>

Yeah. The Look of the site changed quite a bit and I think getting rid of the unions was a bad thing. I understand that the unions only accounted for about 1% of GS' traffic and many of the unions were pretty much dead any way, but I still liked the idea of unions. The unions could offer a platform for users to discuss things with people with similar interests, that they wouldn't be able to discuss on the main boards like OT and SW without a lot of people just insulting them.

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#116 Posted by Bardock47 (5429 posts) -

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I will say that I've been here (2009 I think) I noticed a steady decline; it used to be on OT that if you go, post in a thread and refresh the page two seconds later, there'd be either a new thread or a new post to read. Same with SW (and SW also used to be more than just graphics threads). Ever since the remodel, dozens of users have left and the once active forums have become forums you go to every once in a while just to read something amusing. I mean, that's what SW was before, but at least on there you could carry a back and forth argument because there were actually people that responded pretty quickly. Not only that, but they've taken User Reviews (something I still participate in) and made them EVEN HARDER to access and view. It used to be that they had the two most recent user reviews for a game in the actual official review and now they don't even have that. It discourages community participation and I hate it. I guess I keep returning to this site because I hold out hope that it'll resurge some day.

This makes me legitimately sad. I remember how great OT was.

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#117 Posted by turtlethetaffer (18546 posts) -

@Bardock47 said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

I will say that I've been here (2009 I think) I noticed a steady decline; it used to be on OT that if you go, post in a thread and refresh the page two seconds later, there'd be either a new thread or a new post to read. Same with SW (and SW also used to be more than just graphics threads). Ever since the remodel, dozens of users have left and the once active forums have become forums you go to every once in a while just to read something amusing. I mean, that's what SW was before, but at least on there you could carry a back and forth argument because there were actually people that responded pretty quickly. Not only that, but they've taken User Reviews (something I still participate in) and made them EVEN HARDER to access and view. It used to be that they had the two most recent user reviews for a game in the actual official review and now they don't even have that. It discourages community participation and I hate it. I guess I keep returning to this site because I hold out hope that it'll resurge some day.

This makes me legitimately sad. I remember how great OT was.

I wouldn't call OT great but it was certainly waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more active and more high quality than it is now... I mean there were still trolls and morons but people talked about more than politics, civil justice and how "awful" America is. Plus there were a lot more regulars... I actually made a friend or two from OT. Not great ones but people that I could chat with. Same with the unions and everything before the remodel.

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#118 Posted by Bardock47 (5429 posts) -

@turtlethetaffer: I really enjoyed it. And I agree with you. The community was much more active, and the discussions were usually better as well. I even got involved with Roll Call and made some friends as well. It was great; the community just feels lacking these days.

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#119 Posted by turtlethetaffer (18546 posts) -

@Bardock47: Well like I said in my original post, it used to be that if you post something and refresh the main topic page two seconds after there would be more new material (posts, topics etc.) Now you're lucky to get that every few minutes.

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#120 Edited by EJ902 (14471 posts) -

@KHAndAnime said:

Hell - It used to be commonplace to see some GS staff interact with the community and even defend their opinions. Now I get the impression that they all think they're entirely above the community, above defending or clarifying their opinions, and above taking their jobs that seriously. Obviously it's not a job requirement to regularly interact with the community - but it'd be nice if they did...ever...The most I've seen lately is Kevin V poke at trolls in his review comments.

The staff do still interact with the community and defend their opinions, except now it happens in the comment sections of the pieces they post. This is probably a consequence of how media websites as a whole have developed over the years, that everything has to have a comment section to invite and encourage immediate discussion. I think the change in staff presence in the community you describe could be due in part to the prevalence of comment sections over the site. Staff will always be interested in interacting with their readers and seeing what people think of what they write, if nothing else it's a means of getting feedback and becoming better at their jobs. However, now the feedback is brought straight to them, whereas I imagine before they would have had to go to the forums and look for it, finding and posting in other threads that caught their interest on the way.

Although the forums here on gamespot are clearly not as active as they once were, the comment sections still seem to be full of activity. Frankly I think forums in general are dying out on websites like gamespot because comment sections take the discussion away. Before, when gamespot posted a piece of gaming news, people would make a thread in the forums to discuss it, now they'll just use the comments section on that piece instead. Gamespot staff have no reason whatsoever to look at the forums now, all the feedback they need is in the comments. Likewise most of the visitors to the site don't need to look at the forums for discussion. Even if gamespot attracts hundreds of new people to the site every day with its content, I can't think of much reason why those people would need or want to look at the forums. I wouldn't be surprised if the kind of decline in activity we're seeing on these forums were happening on many other similar sites too; for younger people who are newer to the internet, forums are not the primary means of discussion they're used to.

The other thing to consider is that big social networking sites like facebook, twitter and reddit mean that people who want to discuss gaming news don't need to do it on this site at all. If they're already using facebook, they'll just subscribe to gamespot's facebook page and post comments on the stories linked there, or post them on their own wall and have a discussion amongst their friends. Same with reddit or twitter, they are big websites and many people have accounts on them, so people who read an article on GS and want to discuss it can just put it on there and have a big old chin wag their rather than signing up to GameSpot. I think it wouldn't be out of the question, though would be very unlikely, for gamespot to streamline at some point in the future and get rid of its community features entirely to focus its resources on news and other content it produces, with more open-access discussion threads on those, as well as an increased focus on reaching out to users of social media sites (they're already using fb and twitter and experimented with reddit). The nature of social media and how people discuss things on the internet is changing, becoming centralised on the few dominant websites that nearly everyone uses. Discussion forums like this one are out of date and I think they will only decline further.

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#121 Posted by limpbizkit818 (15044 posts) -

@xdude85 said:

When they made the terms of use less strict, that was the beginning of the end.

Well to be fair, it's what the vast majority of users wanted. A string of high profile OT users had been ban and people were upset and threatened to leave the site. Gamespot actually listened to us....... and look how that turned out. Should have never happened.

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#122 Posted by fueled-system (6529 posts) -
@limpbizkit818 said:

@xdude85 said:

When they made the terms of use less strict, that was the beginning of the end.

Well to be fair, it's what the vast majority of users wanted. A string of high profile OT users had been ban and people were upset and threatened to leave the site. Gamespot actually listened to us....... and look how that turned out. Should have never happened.

Well at the time people were more annoyed with how much power mods had and that arguing anything was wrong...I still remember getting modded for saying a company was in "damage control" not a user a company

But I think most users would still at the end of the day prefer that system to what would happen, I know I voted against the new TOU

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#123 Posted by PurpleLabel (314 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@purplelabel said:

@toast_burner said:

@N30F3N1X said:

@toast_burner said:

So someone deserve death threats for writing a review you disagree with? Seriously?!

^A prime example of what it means to read something and not understand a word of it.

Well what did you mean? BranKetra points out the horrible comments Carolyn received and you say "she had it coming"

It seems you're the one who reads something but doesn't understand it.

She did have it coming. She had a political agenda that had nothing to do with video games. I don't think death threats were warranted and people that gave them need mental help. She was toxic to this site though, and i'm glad they canned her ass.

So whats the "it" you speak of? I assume you mean losing her job, well that isn't what's being discussed.

Why would a person deserve any kind of hate at all for writing a review you disagree with? You do realise that reviews aren't supposed to be objective. they're just opinions. You are hating a person for having an opinion.

The firing was justified and people being upset. You can hate people for opinions btw. Are you saying we shouldn't hate hitler because he thought the jews were demons?

You're either a troll or just really not in touch with reality. She made political agendas that had NOTHING to do with gaming. Game reviewers and the press represent us in the media. When people do shit like that, it makes us look stupid. Reviews are supposed based on an objective framework with taste peppered in. They're not meant for your political agenda or vendetta against the world.

Seriously, lets cut the bullshit and call it what it was. A complete joke. I'm glad they canned her ass, and I hope she stays out of the gaming industry. I play games to get away from politics, not to create it.

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#124 Edited by EJ902 (14471 posts) -

@purplelabel said:

@toast_burner said:

@purplelabel said:

She did have it coming. She had a political agenda that had nothing to do with video games. I don't think death threats were warranted and people that gave them need mental help. She was toxic to this site though, and i'm glad they canned her ass.

So whats the "it" you speak of? I assume you mean losing her job, well that isn't what's being discussed.

Why would a person deserve any kind of hate at all for writing a review you disagree with? You do realise that reviews aren't supposed to be objective. they're just opinions. You are hating a person for having an opinion.

The firing was justified and people being upset. You can hate people for opinions btw. Are you saying we shouldn't hate hitler because he thought the jews were demons?

You're either a troll or just really not in touch with reality. She made political agendas that had NOTHING to do with gaming. Game reviewers and the press represent us in the media. When people do shit like that, it makes us look stupid. Reviews are supposed based on an objective framework with taste peppered in. They're not meant for your political agenda or vendetta against the world.

Seriously, lets cut the bullshit and call it what it was. A complete joke. I'm glad they canned her ass, and I hope she stays out of the gaming industry. I play games to get away from politics, not to create it.

I haven't been around here much lately, what happened to Carolyn and when? Her profile still lists her as a being on the staff.

EDIT: Nevermind I found this. Damn that's awful :(

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#125 Edited by dave123321 (35329 posts) -

@EJ902: she was laid off about two weeks ago along with Tom Mcshea, ryan macdonald, justin calvert , maxwell McGee and

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#126 Posted by toast_burner (24666 posts) -

@purplelabel said:

@toast_burner said:

@purplelabel said:

@toast_burner said:

@N30F3N1X said:

@toast_burner said:

So someone deserve death threats for writing a review you disagree with? Seriously?!

^A prime example of what it means to read something and not understand a word of it.

Well what did you mean? BranKetra points out the horrible comments Carolyn received and you say "she had it coming"

It seems you're the one who reads something but doesn't understand it.

She did have it coming. She had a political agenda that had nothing to do with video games. I don't think death threats were warranted and people that gave them need mental help. She was toxic to this site though, and i'm glad they canned her ass.

So whats the "it" you speak of? I assume you mean losing her job, well that isn't what's being discussed.

Why would a person deserve any kind of hate at all for writing a review you disagree with? You do realise that reviews aren't supposed to be objective. they're just opinions. You are hating a person for having an opinion.

The firing was justified and people being upset. You can hate people for opinions btw. Are you saying we shouldn't hate hitler because he thought the jews were demons?

You're either a troll or just really not in touch with reality. She made political agendas that had NOTHING to do with gaming. Game reviewers and the press represent us in the media. When people do shit like that, it makes us look stupid. Reviews are supposed based on an objective framework with taste peppered in. They're not meant for your political agenda or vendetta against the world.

Seriously, lets cut the bullshit and call it what it was. A complete joke. I'm glad they canned her ass, and I hope she stays out of the gaming industry. I play games to get away from politics, not to create it.

Are you seriously comparing someone sharing their opinions on a game to Hitler? Are you completely insane?

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#127 Posted by EJ902 (14471 posts) -

@dave123321 said:

@EJ902: she was laid off about two weeks ago along with Tom Mcshea, ryan macdonald, justin calvert , maxwell McGee and

Damn, what a kick in the teeth, those are some of their biggest names. Poor guys, I wonder what they're going to do now. I looked at Carolyn's twitter and it seems she's a bit lost because working for gamespot was her big goal, she didn't contemplate what to do afterward. Still, all of them have a lot of experience and a major name in the industry on their CVs, there'll hopefully be more good opportunities for them.

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#128 Posted by soulless4now (41388 posts) -

Everything has been going downhill since 2006. I still remember when people decided to rage quit that year over Gerstmann's firing.

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#129 Posted by PurpleLabel (314 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@purplelabel said:

@toast_burner said:

@purplelabel said:

@toast_burner said:

@N30F3N1X said:

@toast_burner said:

So someone deserve death threats for writing a review you disagree with? Seriously?!

^A prime example of what it means to read something and not understand a word of it.

Well what did you mean? BranKetra points out the horrible comments Carolyn received and you say "she had it coming"

It seems you're the one who reads something but doesn't understand it.

She did have it coming. She had a political agenda that had nothing to do with video games. I don't think death threats were warranted and people that gave them need mental help. She was toxic to this site though, and i'm glad they canned her ass.

So whats the "it" you speak of? I assume you mean losing her job, well that isn't what's being discussed.

Why would a person deserve any kind of hate at all for writing a review you disagree with? You do realise that reviews aren't supposed to be objective. they're just opinions. You are hating a person for having an opinion.

The firing was justified and people being upset. You can hate people for opinions btw. Are you saying we shouldn't hate hitler because he thought the jews were demons?

You're either a troll or just really not in touch with reality. She made political agendas that had NOTHING to do with gaming. Game reviewers and the press represent us in the media. When people do shit like that, it makes us look stupid. Reviews are supposed based on an objective framework with taste peppered in. They're not meant for your political agenda or vendetta against the world.

Seriously, lets cut the bullshit and call it what it was. A complete joke. I'm glad they canned her ass, and I hope she stays out of the gaming industry. I play games to get away from politics, not to create it.

Are you seriously comparing someone sharing their opinions on a game to Hitler? Are you completely insane?

If you don't see the point of the analogy, i'm surprised you can make it out of the front door. It was meant to show that opinions can be wrong, and people can hate other people's opinions. Nowhere in any of the shit I said did I compare video game opinions to Hitler.

I'm pretty much chalking you up to be a troll, because nobody could be that stupid.

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#130 Edited by EJ902 (14471 posts) -

@soulless4now said:

Everything has been going downhill since 2006. I still remember when people decided to rage quit that year over Gerstmann's firing.

I remember joining up to N4G with a large number of other GSers and relocating there with the intention of it being for good. Most of us came crawling back after a week. Heh

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#131 Posted by PurpleLabel (314 posts) -

@EJ902 said:

@soulless4now said:

Everything has been going downhill since 2006. I still remember when people decided to rage quit that year over Gerstmann's firing.

I remember joining up to N4G with a large number of other GSers and relocating there with the intention of it being for good. Most of us came crawling back after a week. Heh

The leniency on trolling was a big help to killing this site. A large portion of posters are here just to spew dumb shit and mess with people.

There needs to be IP bans.

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#132 Posted by TAMKFan (33244 posts) -

There is some things I missed from the site before the big change, such as the unions (they have partially returned, but not like before) and the levels, and I preferred the overall design the site had before. Although, I do understand that they rewrote the site coding, due to how glitchy things were before.

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#133 Posted by Crazyguy105 (9513 posts) -

I can tell you that it was most definitely the site redesign that killed a lot of the fun GS used to offer. It's slow, clunky and doesn't seem to be getting any better at all. I visit OT/SW just about once a week now, never posting anymore because of how slow everything is.

Getting rid of levels was a blessing and a curse as well. Those who were desperate for attention made constant posts in order to level up quicker (along with increasing their post count), which drove down a lot of quality threads or discussions.

The fiasco between the banned users and mods regarding the ToS was definitely a hand in lowering GS' forums quality, there were truly a lot of entertaining and smart individuals that left posts that I'd find myself always reading, in fact waiting for them to make a post.

They're gone now, and between the total bullshit that is most of Gamespot's articles, their clickbait, their "feedbackula" and various other "news" videos, GS is a shadow of what it used to be.

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#134 Posted by Leejjohno (14090 posts) -

The way I see it you can't point to one single thing...

I do remember a lot of people were asking for TOU change now that LJ mentions it. You couldn't argue or debate after that without constant trolling taking place if I remember right. It was always entertaining to have a heated debate before that.

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#135 Posted by The_Last_Ride (76371 posts) -

@drekula2: you forgot Tom McShea and Carolyn Petit