How do you see God and how strong is your faith?

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[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]I see God as a force we as humans can't even be near of. I believe Jesus was God in the flesh and he left with humanity the Holy Spirit. It's based on faith. I pray but I'm the worst of sinners too. People don't believe in God because they don't want to follow his rules. So if they go on and pretend he doesn't exist then well they can live a happy worldly life.GrayF0X786

Do you think Jesus would be happy to see you displaying images of a half naked woman? :lol:

What Christians beleive -"Do not think that I have come to fulfill Law or the Prophets; I have not come to fulfill them but to destroy them. oh and pork is allowed now, i was just kidding before"

I see God as a loving and forgiving being who created the universe, and has had a guiding hand in it's process throughout time.

I haven't seen anyhing. So I believe I don't know.

I'm not religious, I'm spiritual.

I believe there is "something" out there, forces or entities that aren't really understood, that interact with our world in different ways. It would not be wrong to call it God, Allah, the Universe, or what have you.

In that sense you can consider me a "believer." I find the very fact that we're all alive to be rather wonderous and incredible. I've always been in awe of this life and the world and universe, it seems rather preposterous to me to look at my life and say "nope, nothing extraordinary there."

Often I feel like life itself is like being in a shared dream with billions of others.

While I have no problem identifying myself as a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist (I have gone thru ALL these stages) or anything else, to me religion is mostly traditional CEREMONY for weddings and funerals. I don't think universal forces care if you are in a church or mosque or buddhist temple, they don't care if you got a blowjob, drank whiskey or even if you beat someone up, as these are normal natural parts of life. Where spirituality comes into play is how you regard your fellow humans, if you truly want good for others, if you care about your fellow human beings, or if you are just an evil sob who takes pleasure in hurting people with no pity. I consider myself a hard drinking, hard working, aggressive, domineering guy who's not afraid of giving someone a knuckle-sandwich, but I have never wanted bad for my fellow humans, or to just hurt someone for no reason. If I see someone weak, hungry or needing guidance, I help them. For this reason I sleep real good and feel like I have always been blessed.

God is non-existant to me and I dont have any faith in god.

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]I see God as a force we as humans can't even be near of. I believe Jesus was God in the flesh and he left with humanity the Holy Spirit. It's based on faith. I pray but I'm the worst of sinners too. People don't believe in God because they don't want to follow his rules. So if they go on and pretend he doesn't exist then well they can live a happy worldly life.Asim90

Do you think Jesus would be happy to see you displaying images of a half naked woman? :lol:

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[QUOTE="Asim90"]

Do you think Jesus would be happy to see you displaying images of a half naked woman? :lol:

Ace6301

What Christians beleive -"Do not think that I have come to fulfill Law or the Prophets; I have not come to fulfill them but to destroy them. oh and pork is allowed now, i was just kidding before"

Pork was banned because back then pigs ate their own crap which at the time had (can't rememver thing).  Once a human ate the pig that ate the (thing??) it caused boils in the skin.  So that was a health based law.

Today we don't have that issue hence pork is ok.

I don't.

But that's cool if you do.

I know God is there but for some reason I dun feel any kind of fear in my prayers .... I should be able to sense his present, sometimes I do but most of the time, just silence and this is a big turn off for me :?

omho88

How exactly do you pray? D:

God is a number.

God sees you, you don't see himCptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]God sees you, you don't see himchaoscougar1

God, Belief, Faith are very personal things that should only be shared with others on an idea basis alone, not a religious structure system.
My faith is quite weak but I hope and try and work to strengthen my faith every day, I believe in A god... 

I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

Whiteblade999

The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design [...]Whiteblade999

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design [...]foxhound_fox

Cosmological argument, ontological argument, teleological argument, clockmaker analogy, etc.

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I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

HoolaHoopMan

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

Jag85

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

Jag85

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] lol Intelligent Design. What a crock of shit, the last death throws of the creationist movement. Ace6301

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

That's what leading atheist thinkers like Richard Dawkins have proposed. Nice trolling attempt though.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] lol Intelligent Design. What a crock of shit, the last death throws of the creationist movement. Ace6301

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

Jag85

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.

Ace6301

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

Jag85

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

Ace6301

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

Also string theory is pretty lame.

Not sure what you're trying to argue here, but the only "universe" I know is our own finite observable universe... To avoid confusion, maybe "space-time" might be a better term for what you're referring to?

As for string theory, you might find it "lame", but that doesn't change the fact that it's widely accepted by most leading physicists today, theist and atheist alike.

I'm not religous. I still identify as a Catholic but that's more because of my culture.

As for string theory, you might find it "lame", but that doesn't change the fact that it's widely accepted by most leading physicists today, theist and atheist alike.

Jag85

someone who is possible fake.

What kind of God is this hypocritical?

Also, the fact that in the Bible it mentions that all other religions are fake and their worshipps something something. is a dead giveaway.

i see god as fake. no such thing as a god.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

Jag85

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

E=MC^2

Einstein had it as a dimension long before string theory
And string theory is a little...meh

I believe something of a higher power started the world and revolved it around physical laws. 

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

chaoscougar1

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

E=MC^2

Einstein had it as a dimension long before string theory
And string theory is a little...meh

In other words, you're suggesting the Big Bang may have been some kind of nuclear explosion that converted mass into energy?

And fine, I'll re-word that part to: "Also, according to the general theory of relativity, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time."

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[QUOTE="Jag85"]

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

Jag85

E=MC^2

Einstein had it as a dimension long before string theory
And string theory is a little...meh

In other words, you're suggesting the Big Bang may have been some kind of nuclear explosion that converted mass into energy?

And fine, I'll re-word that part to: "Also, according to the general theory of relativity, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time."

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

Jag85

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

and your god came from nothing....and make the universe from...*gasp* nothing.  There goes that useless argument

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

I don't have any sympathy for power-hungry mass-murderers who abuse their power to get away with crimes against humanity without having to face any consequences for it on Earth. I think it's more comforting to believe that there will be an ultimate justice for people like that rather than no justice at all.

Jag85

Even in the bible it says that death is the debt that all men pay and that when they do so their slate is wiped clean. I'd say death is good enough.

I don't see how death is justice if that's something all of us will eventually face...

Besides, what about mass-murderers who get away without facing any punishment in their lifetime, like Genghis Khan, Josef Stalin, George Bush, etc.? 

Cosmological argument, ontological argument, teleological argument, clockmaker analogy, etc.Jag85

That's what leading atheist thinkers like Richard Dawkins have proposed. Nice trolling attempt though.Jag85

how come god was jonny-involvement back in the day but no so much anymore?comp_atkins

LOL scientist.

what are his invention? other than stupidity,SNIPER4321

hahahahahahahaha
That was amazing

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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]LOL scientist.

what are his invention? other than stupidity,SNIPER4321

hahahahahahahaha
That was amazing

Rofl.

Who is the comedian, mentally ill and a joker here ?