How do you see God and how strong is your faith?

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#151 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Asim90"]

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]I see God as a force we as humans can't even be near of. I believe Jesus was God in the flesh and he left with humanity the Holy Spirit. It's based on faith. I pray but I'm the worst of sinners too. People don't believe in God because they don't want to follow his rules. So if they go on and pretend he doesn't exist then well they can live a happy worldly life.GrayF0X786

Do you think Jesus would be happy to see you displaying images of a half naked woman? :lol:

What the bible says - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17

What Christians beleive -"Do not think that I have come to fulfill Law or the Prophets; I have not come to fulfill them but to destroy them. oh and pork is allowed now, i was just kidding before"

Pork is pretty fantastic, I can see why they'd be fine ignoring something like that.
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#152 Serraph105
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I see God as a loving and forgiving being who created the universe, and has had a guiding hand in it's process throughout time.

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#153 The_Lipscomb
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I haven't seen anyhing. So I believe I don't know.

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#154 LazySloth718
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I'm not religious, I'm spiritual.

I believe there is "something" out there, forces or entities that aren't really understood, that interact with our world in different ways. It would not be wrong to call it God, Allah, the Universe, or what have you.

In that sense you can consider me a "believer." I find the very fact that we're all alive to be rather wonderous and incredible. I've always been in awe of this life and the world and universe, it seems rather preposterous to me to look at my life and say "nope, nothing extraordinary there."

Often I feel like life itself is like being in a shared dream with billions of others.

While I have no problem identifying myself as a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist (I have gone thru ALL these stages) or anything else, to me religion is mostly traditional CEREMONY for weddings and funerals. I don't think universal forces care if you are in a church or mosque or buddhist temple, they don't care if you got a blowjob, drank whiskey or even if you beat someone up, as these are normal natural parts of life. Where spirituality comes into play is how you regard your fellow humans, if you truly want good for others, if you care about your fellow human beings, or if you are just an evil sob who takes pleasure in hurting people with no pity. I consider myself a hard drinking, hard working, aggressive, domineering guy who's not afraid of giving someone a knuckle-sandwich, but I have never wanted bad for my fellow humans, or to just hurt someone for no reason. If I see someone weak, hungry or needing guidance, I help them. For this reason I sleep real good and feel like I have always been blessed.

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#155 Angie7F
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God is non-existant to me and I dont have any faith in god.

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#156 caseypayne69
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[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]I see God as a force we as humans can't even be near of. I believe Jesus was God in the flesh and he left with humanity the Holy Spirit. It's based on faith. I pray but I'm the worst of sinners too. People don't believe in God because they don't want to follow his rules. So if they go on and pretend he doesn't exist then well they can live a happy worldly life.Asim90

Do you think Jesus would be happy to see you displaying images of a half naked woman? :lol:

Because we are all perfect right? I admit my faults. What do you gain by pointing fingers?
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#157 caseypayne69
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

Do you think Jesus would be happy to see you displaying images of a half naked woman? :lol:

Ace6301

What the bible says - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17

What Christians beleive -"Do not think that I have come to fulfill Law or the Prophets; I have not come to fulfill them but to destroy them. oh and pork is allowed now, i was just kidding before"

Pork is pretty fantastic, I can see why they'd be fine ignoring something like that.

 

Pork was banned because back then pigs ate their own crap which at the time had (can't rememver thing).  Once a human ate the pig that ate the (thing??) it caused boils in the skin.  So that was a health based law.

 

Today we don't have that issue hence pork is ok.

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#158 Necrifer
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I don't.

But that's cool if you do.

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#159 chaoscougar1
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I know God is there but for some reason I dun feel any kind of fear in my prayers .... I should be able to sense his present, sometimes I do but most of the time, just silence and this is a big turn off for me :?

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How exactly do you pray? D:

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#160 EagleEyedOne
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God is a number.

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#161 CptJSparrow
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God sees you, you don't see him
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#162 chaoscougar1
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God sees you, you don't see himCptJSparrow
That sounds illegal
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#163 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]God sees you, you don't see himchaoscougar1
That sounds illegal

it is
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#164 WilliamRLBaker
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God, Belief, Faith are very personal things that should only be shared with others on an idea basis alone, not a religious structure system.
My faith is quite weak but I hope and try and work to strengthen my faith every day, I believe in A god... 

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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] u cant see heat, air, etc we cant see your brain

Infrared camera. Wind. Crack open a skull.
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I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

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I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

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lol Intelligent Design. What a crock of shit, the last death throws of the creationist movement.
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#169 foxhound_fox
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The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design [...]Whiteblade999
Such as...?
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#171 Jag85
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[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design [...]foxhound_fox
Such as...?

Cosmological argument, ontological argument, teleological argument, clockmaker analogy, etc.

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#172 Jag85
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[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

HoolaHoopMan

lol Intelligent Design. What a crock of shit, the last death throws of the creationist movement.

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

Jag85

lol Intelligent Design. What a crock of shit, the last death throws of the creationist movement.

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

I'm not sure if he exists or not because of lack of proof. The way things are designed there is a hint of intelligent design, but there is nothing concrete. For all I know God could not be how we percieve it at all, and instead a force of nature or something of that sort. 

Jag85

lol Intelligent Design. What a crock of shit, the last death throws of the creationist movement.

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

Except that no theory is suggesting that. Dumb ass.
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Nope. Magicarp status.
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#176 helwa1988
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I see God( Allah) as the sole creator of everything in this universe. I consider my faith moderate. It use to be stronger But I've been so busy with life I haven't had much time for praying.
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#177 Jag85
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[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] lol Intelligent Design. What a crock of shit, the last death throws of the creationist movement. Ace6301

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

Except that no theory is suggesting that. Dumb ass.

That's what leading atheist thinkers like Richard Dawkins have proposed. Nice trolling attempt though.

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[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] lol Intelligent Design. What a crock of shit, the last death throws of the creationist movement. Ace6301

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

Jag85

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.
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#181 Jag85
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[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.

Ace6301

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

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#182 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

Jag85

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

Material was a bad word to use for that but "thing" doesn't really sound right for this. So at this point you're not really arguing anything. You've admitted what I've said about the universe possibly being infinite and instead seem hung up that I mean the universe as we observe and know it, that is NOT what I'm saying. I'm referring to the universe as an all encompassing entity of everything ever. It has more of a chance of being infinite than a creator being and not just on the sole reason that a creator being is incredibly unlikely to exist and has no evidence. Also string theory is pretty lame.
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#183 Jag85
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[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

Ace6301

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

Material was a bad word to use for that but "thing" doesn't really sound right for this. So at this point you're not really arguing anything. You've admitted what I've said about the universe possibly being infinite and instead seem hung up that I mean the universe as we observe and know it, that is NOT what I'm saying. I'm referring to the universe as an all encompassing entity of everything ever. It has more of a chance of being infinite than a creator being and not just on the sole reason that a creator being is incredibly unlikely to exist and has no evidence.

Also string theory is pretty lame.

Not sure what you're trying to argue here, but the only "universe" I know is our own finite observable universe... To avoid confusion, maybe "space-time" might be a better term for what you're referring to?

As for string theory, you might find it "lame", but that doesn't change the fact that it's widely accepted by most leading physicists today, theist and atheist alike.

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I'm not religous. I still identify as a Catholic but that's more because of my culture.

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As for string theory, you might find it "lame", but that doesn't change the fact that it's widely accepted by most leading physicists today, theist and atheist alike.

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Err no it's not, actually.
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#186 coolkid93
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I believe in God and my faith is veeery strong in him.
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#187 Hakumen21
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someone who is possible fake.

What kind of God is this hypocritical?

Also, the fact that in the Bible it mentions that all other religions are fake and their worshipps something something. is a dead giveaway.

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i see god as fake. no such thing as a god.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

Jag85

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

E=MC^2

Einstein had it as a dimension long before string theory
And string theory is a little...meh

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I believe something of a higher power started the world and revolved it around physical laws. 

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[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]

The universe as we know it had a beginning. We're not sure if there was stuff before that, nor is it really possible to. To say that the materials required for the Big Bang couldn't exist without a beginning as we know it but God could is quite the double standard. Why say that something can be eternal but another can't? If I had to look at the universe and the God presented in various holy books and state which one is more likely to be an eternal entity I would say the universe. The god presented in those texts seems extremely finite.

chaoscougar1

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

E=MC^2

Einstein had it as a dimension long before string theory
And string theory is a little...meh

In other words, you're suggesting the Big Bang may have been some kind of nuclear explosion that converted mass into energy?

And fine, I'll re-word that part to: "Also, according to the general theory of relativity, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time."

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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

According to the current cosmological model, the universe was initially just pure energy, before particles began to form from that energy. There isn't anything to suggest that the necessary "material" existed before the "Big Bang" if there isn't known to be any particles when the universe began.

We know scientifically that the universe is finite, with a finite size and a finite length of time. There is no contradiction in agreeing that the universe is finite and had a beginning while at the same time believing that its hypothetical creator is infinite and eternal.

Also, according to string theory, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time.

And lastly, I am only referring to the general concept of a creator, not the more specific interpretations from various religions.

Jag85

E=MC^2

Einstein had it as a dimension long before string theory
And string theory is a little...meh

In other words, you're suggesting the Big Bang may have been some kind of nuclear explosion that converted mass into energy?

And fine, I'll re-word that part to: "Also, according to the general theory of relativity, time itself is just a dimension. We know our observable universe is bound by time, but there isn't any reason to believe that whatever may exist beyond the observable universe is also bound by time."

hahahahaha That is almost exactly what it was, except it converted energy into mass If you are going by the theory of relativity now That means time and space are one and the same So how could anything exist outside the universe without time or space?
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#193 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

And the idea that something comes from nothing is not irrational? 

Jag85

But religious people hold the belief that something came from nothing in that God existed before everything so where did God come from? To say that he was just always there means that you can't disagree with the idea that the things that caused the big bang weren't also always there or possibly came from a prior universe.

I believe what most religious people believe is that God is eternal, not that God came from nothing. One cannot make the same argument about the universe, however, since we know that it did indeed have a beginning, so it therefore must have come from something. 

and your god came from nothing....and make the universe from...*gasp* nothing.  There goes that useless argument

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#194 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

I don't have any sympathy for power-hungry mass-murderers who abuse their power to get away with crimes against humanity without having to face any consequences for it on Earth. I think it's more comforting to believe that there will be an ultimate justice for people like that rather than no justice at all.

Jag85

So eternal burning is justice? I'm not trying to defend what people like him did. They deserve punishment, but hell is way too extreme.

Even in the bible it says that death is the debt that all men pay and that when they do so their slate is wiped clean. I'd say death is good enough.

I don't see how death is justice if that's something all of us will eventually face...

Besides, what about mass-murderers who get away without facing any punishment in their lifetime, like Genghis Khan, Josef Stalin, George Bush, etc.? 

So you think these people need to be tortured and punished, do you? And that's fair? I wouldn't mind punching Hitler in the face while he was still around, but to wish he was burning for eternity is...I dunno...slightly overdoing it?
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#195 foxhound_fox
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Cosmological argument, ontological argument, teleological argument, clockmaker analogy, etc.Jag85
So nothing substantial or remotely objective. And things that have been repeatedly refuted for centuries.
That's what leading atheist thinkers like Richard Dawkins have proposed. Nice trolling attempt though.Jag85
Lol, strawman. Richard Dawkins is a scientist who agrees with the current majority that the big bang is the beginning point of the universe and it is not known what caused it (but it wasn't nothing, and it also wasn't a "God" entity). There are some scientists who believe that nothing became something (vacuum fluctuations in quantum physics) but their case isn't as strong yet.
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#196 WilliamRLBaker
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how come god was jonny-involvement back in the day but no so much anymore?comp_atkins
I like think because back in the day satan wasn't nearly such an influential figure and it was god whom was dealing out punishment and tests along with rewards...etc But the christian church started pushing forth a view of god that as long as you believed in christ good things would come to you because god never punished anyone that didn't deserve it and only satan would harras you. One must remember that the Hebrew god was basically a mountain god, and the Hebrew religious system wasn't monotheistic they actually recognized the gods of other peoples.
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#198 chaoscougar1
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LOL scientist.

what are his invention? other than stupidity,SNIPER4321

hahahahahahahaha
That was amazing

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#200 indzman
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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]LOL scientist.

what are his invention? other than stupidity,SNIPER4321

hahahahahahahaha
That was amazing

tell me what did he invent??? He is either comedian, or mentally ill. please dont insult intelligent scientists by calling him a scientist.. He is Joker

Rofl.

Who is the comedian, mentally ill and a joker here ?