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#1 kingkong0124
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http://nation.foxnews.com/war-religion/2013/05/03/school-track-team-disqualified-making-religious-gesture

 

seriously? i mean seriously?.......

How did the "W" so quickly become "DQ"? Well. when the anchor of the relay team crossed the finish line, he won the race, raised his finger to the sky and that gesture caused the winning regional's relay team to be disqualified.

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#2 worlock77
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lol

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#3 kingkong0124
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lol

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can you empathize with the student athlete? put yourself in his shoes. 

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#4 Riverwolf007
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legit.

you are not allowed to rub it in that god hates the other team.

it's unsportsmanlike conduct.

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#5 lostrib
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That's pretty stupid

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#6 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

lol

kingkong0124

can you empathize with the student athlete? put yourself in his shoes. 

No.

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#7 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

lol

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can you empathize with the student athlete? put yourself in his shoes. 

No.

he worked hard during the cold winter months preparing for this race. he wins it all for his team in dramatic fashion. points his finger up at God in appreciation. then it's all taken away.
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They weren't DQ'ed for making a religious gesture. They were DQ'ed for raising his hand in a perceived celebratory manner, which happened to be a religious gesture. From the main story (which your link omits): ""It's a harsh consequence for what some people may deem a small gesture. The rule states no celebratory gestures including raising your arms," explains Columbus I.S.D. Superintendent Robert O'Connor. According to the UIL the relay team was disqualified for "unsporting conduct". The UIL also points out, it does not have a rule prohibiting religious expression. "You can do whatever you want to in terms of prayer, kneeling or whatever you want to once you get out of the competition area. You just can't do it in the competition area. It goes back to the taunting rule. I can't taunt my opponent," O'Connor explains."
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#10 Oleg_Huzwog
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Correction:  High school track team disqualified for excessive celebration.  Link.

Still a silly reason, but less attention-grabbing than "for making religious gesture".

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#11 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

can you empathize with the student athlete? put yourself in his shoes. 

kingkong0124

No.

he worked hard during the cold winter months preparing for this race. he wins it all for his team in dramatic fashion. points his finger up at God in appreciation. then it's all taken away.

Sucks for him, but rules are rules, and if he's competing in something he should be aware of and abide by the rules.

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They weren't DQ'ed for making a religious gesture. They were DQ'ed for raising his hand in a perceived celebratory manner, which happened to be a religious gesture. From the main story (which your link omits): ""It's a harsh consequence for what some people may deem a small gesture. The rule states no celebratory gestures including raising your arms," explains Columbus I.S.D. Superintendent Robert O'Connor. According to the UIL the relay team was disqualified for "unsporting conduct". The UIL also points out, it does not have a rule prohibiting religious expression. "You can do whatever you want to in terms of prayer, kneeling or whatever you want to once you get out of the competition area. You just can't do it in the competition area. It goes back to the taunting rule. I can't taunt my opponent," O'Connor explains."Ring_of_fire

That kind of sucks for the team

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That's pretty stupid but being disqualified for religious or political gestures at sporting events isn't anything new.

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Still, the gesture he made was harmless.

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#14 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

can you empathize with the student athlete? put yourself in his shoes. 

kingkong0124

No.

he worked hard during the cold winter months preparing for this race. he wins it all for his team in dramatic fashion. points his finger up at God in appreciation. then it's all taken away.

the lord giveth and he also taketh away.

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#15 lostrib
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Correction:  High school track team disqualified for excessive celebration.  Link.

Still a silly reason, but less attention-grabbing than "for making religious gesture".

Oleg_Huzwog

well it was fox news 

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They weren't DQ'ed for making a religious gesture. They were DQ'ed for raising his hand in a perceived celebratory manner, which happened to be a religious gesture. From the main story (which your link omits): ""It's a harsh consequence for what some people may deem a small gesture. The rule states no celebratory gestures including raising your arms," explains Columbus I.S.D. Superintendent Robert O'Connor. According to the UIL the relay team was disqualified for "unsporting conduct". The UIL also points out, it does not have a rule prohibiting religious expression. "You can do whatever you want to in terms of prayer, kneeling or whatever you want to once you get out of the competition area. You just can't do it in the competition area. It goes back to the taunting rule. I can't taunt my opponent," O'Connor explains."Ring_of_fire

Hmm very misleading title then

Stupid rule but thats how she goes sometimes

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#17 Riverwolf007
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i will never understand you guys.

by the tennents of your own belief system the origin of everything is from the lord.

so if this happened the lord did it to teach this  dude a lesson about humility or whatever.

now you want to complain and make a big deal about it?

flying in the face of gods own wishes?

so now you know better than god his damn self how to run this shyt?

brave choice to question the will of god i must say.

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#18 Slow_Show
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Correction:  High school track team disqualified for excessive celebration.  Link.

Still a silly reason, but less attention-grabbing than "for making religious gesture".

Oleg_Huzwog

Fox Nation taking an event out of context in order to turn it into a white/christian/conservative persecution story? Well I never.

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#19 Canuck3000
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They got DQed for showboating. Not a religious gesture
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i will never understand you guys.

by the tennents of your own belief system the origin of everything is from the lord.

so if this happened the lord did it to teach this  dude a lesson about humility or whatever.

now you want to complain and make a big deal about it?

flying in the face of gods own wishes?

so now you know better than god his damn self how to run this shyt?

brave choice to question the will of god i must say.

Riverwolf007

4 year-old dies of cancer - "it's the Lord's will".

High school ahtelete violates the rules he agreed to compete by and get stripped of his win - "this is an outrage!"

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#21 RadecSupreme
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legit.

you are not allowed to rub it in that god hates the other team.

it's unsportsmanlike conduct.

Riverwolf007

I don't understand why the OP ignored this poster's comment. It makes a lot of sense. I'm no religious man, but I'd assume that for "God" to favor one team, then he dislikes the other team. Pretty insulting especially if the other team are also religious.

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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]They weren't DQ'ed for making a religious gesture. They were DQ'ed for raising his hand in a perceived celebratory manner, which happened to be a religious gesture. From the main story (which your link omits): ""It's a harsh consequence for what some people may deem a small gesture. The rule states no celebratory gestures including raising your arms," explains Columbus I.S.D. Superintendent Robert O'Connor. According to the UIL the relay team was disqualified for "unsporting conduct". The UIL also points out, it does not have a rule prohibiting religious expression. "You can do whatever you want to in terms of prayer, kneeling or whatever you want to once you get out of the competition area. You just can't do it in the competition area. It goes back to the taunting rule. I can't taunt my opponent," O'Connor explains."lostrib

That kind of sucks for the team

yeah, and it is a bit silly. But it is a rule and should be enforced equally, religious gesture or not.
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I got reprimanded in college for writing a paper using biological traits to show of "white genes" are inferior to black "genes" - the main premise being blacks are evolutionary more advanced than whites if you compared them to each other.

I guess you can't do anything in n academic setting if it offends someone.

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Absolutely ridiculous. Some of the people we have running our public schools is truly terrifying.

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Absolutely ridiculous. Some of the people we have running our public schools is truly terrifying.

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it was gods will because if it was not it would not have happened.

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#26 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

legit.

you are not allowed to rub it in that god hates the other team.

it's unsportsmanlike conduct.

RadecSupreme

I don't understand why the OP ignored this poster's comment. It makes a lot of sense. I'm no religious man, but I'd assume that for "God" to favor one team, then he dislikes the other team. Pretty insulting especially if the other team are also religious.

Oh give me a break. Anyone who would honestly be offended by that needs to get a fvcking life. And how do you know they weren't thanking God for allowing them to make it through the event with no injuries or just for the ability to be able to complete?

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you should update the OP KK

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#28 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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Big surprise. Fox News calling "war on religion" when it's excess celebration.

Classy as always.

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#29 Ring_of_fire
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[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

legit.

you are not allowed to rub it in that god hates the other team.

it's unsportsmanlike conduct.

Pirate700

I don't understand why the OP ignored this poster's comment. It makes a lot of sense. I'm no religious man, but I'd assume that for "God" to favor one team, then he dislikes the other team. Pretty insulting especially if the other team are also religious.

Oh give me a break. Anyone who would honestly be offended by that needs to get a fvcking life. And how do you know they weren't thinking God for allowing them to make it through the event with no injuries or just for the ability to be able to complete?

why should there be a "religious exemption" from the "no celebratory gesture" rule?
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#30 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

I don't understand why the OP ignored this poster's comment. It makes a lot of sense. I'm no religious man, but I'd assume that for "God" to favor one team, then he dislikes the other team. Pretty insulting especially if the other team are also religious.

Ring_of_fire

Oh give me a break. Anyone who would honestly be offended by that needs to get a fvcking life. And how do you know they weren't thinking God for allowing them to make it through the event with no injuries or just for the ability to be able to complete?

why should there be a "religious exemption" from the "no celebratory gesture" rule?

I never said it should be exempt. The no celebration rule is just as retarded though. Our public school system is turning today's kids into a bunch of weenies that can't handle anything and it's because of shit like this.

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#31 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Oh give me a break. Anyone who would honestly be offended by that needs to get a fvcking life. And how do you know they weren't thinking God for allowing them to make it through the event with no injuries or just for the ability to be able to complete?

Pirate700

why should there be a "religious exemption" from the "no celebratory gesture" rule?

I never said it should be exempt. The no celebration rule is just as retarded though. Our public school system is turning today's kids into a bunch of weenies that can't handle anything and it's because of shit like this.

Yeah pretty much.  Gotta make a rule so people's feelings don't get hurt.  If they don't want to feel bad, perhaps they should win

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no, they were disqualified for unsporting conduct a finger in the sky is official "we're number 1" taunting gesture, it's like the sports world euphemism of one team's fans giving the other team's fans the finger it most likely wasn't a religious gesture, it was just called on afterwards to fight the penalty and get social conservative trolls to ally with their cause
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no, they were disqualified for unsporting conduct a finger in the sky is official "we're number 1" taunting gesture, it's like the sports world euphemism of one team's fans giving the other team's fans the finger it most likely wasn't a religious gesture, it was just called on afterwards to fight the penalty and get social conservative trolls to ally with their causelamprey263
OMG, no it's not. Thanks for proving my point though...

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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]no, they were disqualified for unsporting conduct a finger in the sky is official "we're number 1" taunting gesture, it's like the sports world euphemism of one team's fans giving the other team's fans the finger it most likely wasn't a religious gesture, it was just called on afterwards to fight the penalty and get social conservative trolls to ally with their causePirate700

OMG, no it's not. Thanks for proving my point though...

I'm not arguing it wasn't a over-reaction on part to disqualify them, I'm just arguing it likely wasn't a religious gesture. It's just another reason for FoxNews to make it look like an evil secular anti-religion world is punishing success. If you ask me kids these days gotta learn the value of showmanship.
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]no, they were disqualified for unsporting conduct a finger in the sky is official "we're number 1" taunting gesture, it's like the sports world euphemism of one team's fans giving the other team's fans the finger it most likely wasn't a religious gesture, it was just called on afterwards to fight the penalty and get social conservative trolls to ally with their cause

There's a difference between taunting the opponents loss and celebrating your win. I think this was a fairly harmless gesture and may have had no religous signficance. I wouldnt think raising your hand in victory should be something that gets you DQ'd. That's just stupid and is a failure on the part of that district. There are certainly ways to taunt opponents, and that can be banned, but banning an enthusiastic response to a win is just plain stupid.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]no, they were disqualified for unsporting conduct a finger in the sky is official "we're number 1" taunting gesture, it's like the sports world euphemism of one team's fans giving the other team's fans the finger it most likely wasn't a religious gesture, it was just called on afterwards to fight the penalty and get social conservative trolls to ally with their cause

There's a difference between taunting the opponents loss and celebrating your win. I think this was a fairly harmless gesture and may have had no religous signficance. I wouldnt think raising your hand in victory should be something that gets you DQ'd. That's just stupid and is a failure on the part of that district. There are certainly ways to taunt opponents, and that can be banned, but banning an enthusiastic response to a win is just plain stupid.

What's wrong with taunting?
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How ridiculous. Banning celebratory gestures all together? Stupid as hell. "Okay, you won, but don't make any physical movements indicating that you did".
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how is it religious?
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How ridiculous. Banning celebratory gestures all together? Stupid as hell. "Okay, you won, but don't make any physical movements indicating that you did".XilePrincess
I guess when a team wins, they're just supposed to quietly walk back to the bleachers and sit down. I wonder if high fiving  will get you busted now also.

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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]How ridiculous. Banning celebratory gestures all together? Stupid as hell. "Okay, you won, but don't make any physical movements indicating that you did".Pirate700

I guess when a team wins, they're just supposed to quietly walk back to the bleachers and sit down. I wonder if high fiving  will get you busted now also.

If you raise your hand while giving the high five, that's 3 months in jail.
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#41 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i will never understand you guys.

by the tennents of your own belief system the origin of everything is from the lord.

so if this happened the lord did it to teach this  dude a lesson about humility or whatever.

now you want to complain and make a big deal about it?

flying in the face of gods own wishes?

so now you know better than god his damn self how to run this shyt?

brave choice to question the will of god i must say.

worlock77

4 year-old dies of cancer - "it's the Lord's will".

High school ahtelete violates the rules he agreed to compete by and get stripped of his win - "this is an outrage!"

i don't think anyone liked my argument of how this happening is exactly what the almighty wanted to happen.

apparently only life and death fall under gods department and regulating sporting events falls under satan's  and the dirty secular liberals jurisdiction.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]How ridiculous. Banning celebratory gestures all together? Stupid as hell. "Okay, you won, but don't make any physical movements indicating that you did".sonicare

I guess when a team wins, they're just supposed to quietly walk back to the bleachers and sit down. I wonder if high fiving  will get you busted now also.

If you raise your hand while giving the high five, that's 3 months in jail.

Jail time probably isn't far off. You offended that poor kid! :roll:

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Absolutely ridiculous. Some of the people we have running our public schools is truly terrifying.

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first world problems

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The title of this thread is pretty misleading. They were disqualified for the gesture regardless of the affiliation. What they did was against the rules. It must suck to get disqualified but I can understand why the rule is there
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The title of this thread is pretty misleading. They were disqualified for the gesture regardless of the affiliation. What they did was against the rules. It must suck to get disqualified but I can understand why the rule is thereNEWMAHAY
You can understand not being able to celebrate winning? Why even bother to compete at that point?

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[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]The title of this thread is pretty misleading. They were disqualified for the gesture regardless of the affiliation. What they did was against the rules. It must suck to get disqualified but I can understand why the rule is therePirate700

You can understand not being able to celebrate winning? Why even bother to compete at that point?

Read what the rule is... its against taunting and unsportmanlike conduct... They aren't prohibiting celebration after you get off the competition area.

 

If they wanted the rule out, then petition to get it removed. They did the race, the race had rules, the rule was broke.

 

lol@Why even bother to compete at that point?

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They can't even get the info right on their "pic of the day" so not holding my breath as to the accuracy of their stories for some reason....

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#48 NEWMAHAY
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They weren't DQ'ed for making a religious gesture. They were DQ'ed for raising his hand in a perceived celebratory manner, which happened to be a religious gesture. From the main story (which your link omits): ""It's a harsh consequence for what some people may deem a small gesture. The rule states no celebratory gestures including raising your arms," explains Columbus I.S.D. Superintendent Robert O'Connor. According to the UIL the relay team was disqualified for "unsporting conduct". The UIL also points out, it does not have a rule prohibiting religious expression. "You can do whatever you want to in terms of prayer, kneeling or whatever you want to once you get out of the competition area. You just can't do it in the competition area. It goes back to the taunting rule. I can't taunt my opponent," O'Connor explains."Ring_of_fire
Media wants hits to their site and make controversy
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#49 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"]The title of this thread is pretty misleading. They were disqualified for the gesture regardless of the affiliation. What they did was against the rules. It must suck to get disqualified but I can understand why the rule is thereNEWMAHAY

You can understand not being able to celebrate winning? Why even bother to compete at that point?

Read what the rule is, its against taunting and unsportmanlike conduct... They aren't prohibiting celebration after you get off the competition area. If they wanted the rule out, then petition to get it removed. They did the race, the race had rules, the rule was broke.

There was no taunting or unsportsmanlike conduct...This is exactly my point. The public school system is raising a bunch of weenies. Kids need to learn if they don't like the other team celebrating a win, then don't lose. That's the point of youth sports. It teaches life skills and much if it is learning to deal with losing. If a finger in the air is unsportsmanlike or offensive now, today's kids and our future are doomed. I wonder how long till a sports loss makes a kid kill himself and sports are banned in schools all together.

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#50 tagyhag
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Rule says you can't overly celebrate. It's a stupid rule but a rule nonetheless. Don't play the game if you won't follow the rules.