GOP senate candidate: pregnancy from rape is "something God intended"

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#1 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30656 posts) -

WASHINGTON -- Indiana GOP U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock declared Tuesday night he opposes aborting pregnancies conceived in rape because "it is something that God intended to happen."

Debating Rep. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) in their final Senate race showdown, a questioner asked them and Libertarian candidate Andrew Horning to explain their views on abortion.

All three said they were anti-abortion. But Mourdock went further, putting himself in territory near Missouri GOP Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin, the anti-abortion congressman who infamously asserted that women don't get pregnant from "legitimate rape."

"The only exception I have to have an abortion is in the case of the life of the mother," said Mourdock, the Tea Party-backed state treasurer. "I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

Mourdock unseated veteran Republican Sen. Richard Lugar in the May primary, and has battled Donnelly for the longtime senator's supporters since. Abortion has been a touchy issue for the candidates, with Mourdock accusing Donnelly of lacking strength on the issue because Donnelly backed the health care reform law. Donnelly has criticized a requirement that ensures women can get birth control, even when their employer objects to contraception.

"I believe in pro-life," Donnelly said, carving out somewhat more moderate anti-abortion stance. "I believe that life begins at conception. The only exceptions I believe in are for rape, incest and the life a mother."

Horning argued that the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision was unconstitutional, and that abortion issues should be state matters.

GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who has endorsed Mourdock and cut a campaign ad on his behalf that began running in Indiana on Tuesday,took issue with the abortion commentsTuesday night.

"Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock's comments, and they do not reflect his views," said Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

Mourdock tried to clarify his comments soon after the debate, saying God does not intend sexual assaults.

"God creates life, and that was my point," Mourdock said in a statement. "God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that He does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick."

Nevertheless, Democrats jumped on the comments as further proof that Murdock is an extremist.

"I think rape is a heinous and violent crime in every instance," said Donnelly in his own statement. "The God I believe in and the God I know most Hoosiers believe in, does not intend for rape to happen -- ever. What Mr. Mourdock said is shocking, and it is stunning that he would be so disrespectful to survivors of rape."

"Richard Mourdock's disturbing comment about rape is a window into Mourdock's extreme view of the world, " said Shripal Shah, spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. "Indiana can't afford to send a self-proclaimed 'zealot' and Tea Partier like Richard Mourdock to the Senate."

Mourdock has been trying to soften some of his postions for the general election after running on a platform that described"compromise" as when Democrats came to agree with him.

Horning had argued earlier in the debate that Mourdock should stick with the harder line.

"As I was reading about the extreme stands of Richard Mourdock I was thinking, 'Hey, there's hope for this guy.' A lot of the stuff that he said was correct," Horning said, referring to Mourdock's suggestions thatentitlement programs such as Medicare and Social Securitymay not be constitutional.

"He has repudiated a lot of those statements. Some of it was about the unconstitutionality ... right on," Horning said. "We need somebody who is going to stick with principles."

Video at the link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/richard-mourdock-abortion_n_2007482.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

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#2 Posted by Engrish_Major (17373 posts) -
I think he meant that God intended the Dems to take Indiana.
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#3 Posted by Serraph105 (32240 posts) -

I love it when God gives us precious little rape babies.

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#4 Posted by Omni-Slash (54450 posts) -
I think what he is saying is pretty obvious and not that crazy...as horrible and disgusting as rape is....something good can come of it in the long run...just as this baby could be hell incarnate....is he saying that children from rape are wanted, desired or great....no...but he is saying that it can lead to something good.....horribly put...but not at all crazy.....I know a woman in my own life that were raped and kept their children..I don;t think I could do that..nor do I think my wife could do that....but she loves her child and thinks the world of her...take it as you will....
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#5 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
He's a sh!tbag all right.
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#6 Posted by norm41x (813 posts) -

What Omni said. Rape isn't a God given ability for man to have, its a crime a man decides to commit. What happens to the child is entirely up to the woman. What God has to do with this is beyond me.

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#7 Posted by Sajo7 (14049 posts) -
I think what he is saying is pretty obvious and not that crazy...as horrible and disgusting as rape is....something good can come of it in the long run...just as this baby could be hell incarnate....is he saying that children from rape are wanted, desired or great....no...but he is saying that it can lead to something good.....horribly put...but not at all crazy.....I know a woman in my own life that were raped and kept their children..I don;t think I could do that..nor do I think my wife could do that....but she loves her child and thinks the world of her...take it as you will....Omni-Slash
Except that this candidate is saying it in the context of forcing the victim to have the baby.
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#8 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -
If rape is a 'gift from God' does that make rapists angels?
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#9 Posted by General_X (9137 posts) -
I think what he is saying is pretty obvious and not that crazy...as horrible and disgusting as rape is....something good can come of it in the long run...just as this baby could be hell incarnate....is he saying that children from rape are wanted, desired or great....no...but he is saying that it can lead to something good.....horribly put...but not at all crazy.....I know a woman in my own life that were raped and kept their children..I don;t think I could do that..nor do I think my wife could do that....but she loves her child and thinks the world of her...take it as you will....Omni-Slash
I appreciate that good could potentially come of it, but I feel that it should be up to the woman who got raped to decide if she wants to care for a rapist's child, not the state to decide that for her. Especially if she is not financially able to care for or emotionally ready to care for a child.
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#10 Posted by jimkabrhel (15625 posts) -

And guess which senate candidate Mitt Romney threw his support behind? Murdock. Great timing, don't you think?

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#11 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30656 posts) -

Does that mean murder should be legal but it's something God intended to happen?

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#12 Posted by Omni-Slash (54450 posts) -
[QUOTE="Sajo7"] Except that this candidate is saying it in the context of forcing the victim to have the baby.

Which I disagree with completely nor would I vote for him if he was in my district......but to be fair he is being honest with his beliefs and applying them universally...he thinks it's wrong to kill and "unborn child"....while I disagree with him..it's not a crazy idea to have...at least he's not a hypocrite...
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#13 Posted by Jazz_Fan (29516 posts) -
Well after all, God did rape Mary......
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#14 Posted by JDWolfie (1950 posts) -

Does that mean murder should be legal but it's something God intended to happen?

Aljosa23
Good point.
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#15 Posted by Treflis (13431 posts) -
FYI, "pregnancy through rape is what god intended" , not the current topic title. As far as the statement goes, God intends to have certain women be sexually abused so to get pregnant? Guess God in his eyes is a large douche.
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#16 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
"WASHINGTON -- Indiana GOP U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock declared Tuesday night he opposes aborting pregnancies conceived in rape because "it is something that God intended to happen."" Maybe we shouldn't lock up the rapists anymore either. It's all in God's plan, right Dicky boy?
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#17 Posted by Serraph105 (32240 posts) -
[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Sajo7"] Except that this candidate is saying it in the context of forcing the victim to have the baby.

Which I disagree with completely nor would I vote for him if he was in my district......but to be fair he is being honest with his beliefs and applying them universally...he thinks it's wrong to kill and "unborn child"....while I disagree with him..it's not a crazy idea to have...at least he's not a hypocrite...

I think what he is saying is pretty obvious and not that crazy...as horrible and disgusting as rape is....something good can come of it in the long run...just as this baby could be hell incarnate....is he saying that children from rape are wanted, desired or great....no...but he is saying that it can lead to something good.....horribly put...but not at all crazy.....I know a woman in my own life that were raped and kept their children..I don;t think I could do that..nor do I think my wife could do that....but she loves her child and thinks the world of her...take it as you will....Omni-Slash
your wife still making Halloween costumes for your son Omni? Or is he too old for that now?
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#18 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
He's a sh!tbag all right.ghoklebutter
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#19 Posted by Serraph105 (32240 posts) -

More news, ROmney campaign will stand by Mourdock

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57539436/romney-campaign-stands-by-mourdock/

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#20 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
I think what he is saying is pretty obvious and not that crazy...as horrible and disgusting as rape is....something good can come of it in the long run...just as this baby could be hell incarnate....is he saying that children from rape are wanted, desired or great....no...but he is saying that it can lead to something good.....horribly put...but not at all crazy.....I know a woman in my own life that were raped and kept their children..I don;t think I could do that..nor do I think my wife could do that....but she loves her child and thinks the world of her...take it as you will....Omni-Slash
Anything can lead to good going by that logic.
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#21 Posted by Jebus213 (10014 posts) -

More news, ROmney campaign will stand by Mourdock

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57539436/romney-campaign-stands-by-mourdock/

Serraph105
If it's true, hopefully it will hurt the women vote for him.
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#22 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30656 posts) -

More news, ROmney campaign will stand by Mourdock

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57539436/romney-campaign-stands-by-mourdock/

Serraph105

LOL what a dumbass. smh

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#23 Posted by Omni-Slash (54450 posts) -
[QUOTE="Serraph105"] your wife still making Halloween costumes for your son Omni? Or is he too old for that now?

not too old for it at all..they are only 10 and 7...we are all going as Ninja Turtles this year....(we all worked on them)...
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#24 Posted by Omni-Slash (54450 posts) -
[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Anything can lead to good going by that logic.

No.....
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#25 Posted by CJL13 (19137 posts) -

I don't get it, is there some rapist majority demographic that Republicians are going for?

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#26 Posted by Engrish_Major (17373 posts) -

I don't get it, is there some rapist majority demographic that Republicians are going for?

CJL13

Finally! A candidate who I can relate to that recognizes that I am, after all, a force for good! That is pragmatism that we all can get behind. He's got my vote!

Rapist
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#27 Posted by Serraph105 (32240 posts) -
[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] your wife still making Halloween costumes for your son Omni? Or is he too old for that now?

not too old for it at all..they are only 10 and 7...we are all going as Ninja Turtles this year....(we all worked on them)...

Thought you only had one kid, I remember the pikachu costume.
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#28 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
[QUOTE="CJL13"]

I don't get it, is there some rapist majority demographic that Republicians are going for?

Engrish_Major

Finally! A candidate who I can relate to that recognizes that I am, after all, a force for good! That is pragmatism that we all can get behind. He's got my vote!

Rapist

rofl and hi engrish, long time no see
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#29 Posted by dave123321 (35357 posts) -
Another day, anther dollar
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#30 Posted by jeremiah06 (7215 posts) -

I love it when God gives us precious little rape babies.

Serraph105
What about the rape babies that are alive and enjoy life?
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#31 Posted by jimkabrhel (15625 posts) -

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I love it when God gives us precious little rape babies.

jeremiah06

What about the rape babies that are alive and enjoy life?

What about the mother's who have to deal with a living reminder of the pain and suffering they went through? You can argue it both ways here. There are some women who will see it from the way the GOP usually does, which is every life is sacred and special, despite the circumstances of the conception.

Other women will be constantly reminded of being forcibly hurt and violated, and react negatively.

You may come back at me and say, "Well, the mother can just give the baby up for adoption when he/she is born." A valid point, but it's different when you see how much a toll a pregancy can take on a woman, even when the conception was desired.

I say these things without judgement, I respect both sides, as long as they are politely discussed, not the crap that happens in OT.

For the record, I'm pro-choice.

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#32 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
Starting to see why Christians refer to themselves as God-fearing. I'd be afraid of God too if I believed he did sh*t like that.
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#33 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
It's quite simple to me. 1. You support abortion or 2. You do not support abortion If I'm being completely honest, I think being abortion EXCEPT in cases of rape etc is fairly hypocritical. Especially considering the arguments against abortion usually consist of buzz words like murder and life. How is anything different in the rape case?
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#34 Posted by jeremiah06 (7215 posts) -

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I love it when God gives us precious little rape babies.

jimkabrhel

What about the rape babies that are alive and enjoy life?

What about the mother's who have to deal with a living reminder of the pain and suffering they went through? You can argue it both ways here. There are some women who will see it from the way the GOP usually does, which is every life is sacred and special, despite the circumstances of the conception.

Other women will be constantly reminded of being forcibly hurt and violated, and react negatively.

You may come back at me and say, "Well, the mother can just give the baby up for adoption when he/she is born." A valid point, but it's different when you see how much a toll a pregancy can take on a woman, even when the conception was desired.

I say these things without judgement, I respect both sides, as long as they are politely discussed, not the crap that happens in OT.

For the record, I'm pro-choice.

Pro-life here so you can probably guess my response... This situation sucks deeply regardless but allowing women to abort(I'll skip the tastelessness inferred from the word murder) is no different than letting the victim of a crime seek the death penalty... Higher emphasis should be applied on preserving life...
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#35 Posted by GhoX (6267 posts) -
If rape is a 'gift from God' does that make rapists angels? KC_Hokie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gHr-3P4ClT4#t=562s
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#36 Posted by jimkabrhel (15625 posts) -

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] What about the rape babies that are alive and enjoy life?jeremiah06

What about the mother's who have to deal with a living reminder of the pain and suffering they went through? You can argue it both ways here. There are some women who will see it from the way the GOP usually does, which is every life is sacred and special, despite the circumstances of the conception.

Other women will be constantly reminded of being forcibly hurt and violated, and react negatively.

You may come back at me and say, "Well, the mother can just give the baby up for adoption when he/she is born." A valid point, but it's different when you see how much a toll a pregancy can take on a woman, even when the conception was desired.

I say these things without judgement, I respect both sides, as long as they are politely discussed, not the crap that happens in OT.

For the record, I'm pro-choice.

Pro-life here so you can probably guess my response... This situation sucks deeply regardless but allowing women to abort(I'll skip the tastelessness inferred from the word murder) is no different than letting the victim of a crime seek the death penalty... Higher emphasis should be applied on preserving life...

Do you believe in an exception for the health of the mother?

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#37 Posted by Zensword (4509 posts) -
So is the rape itself ? :lol: There are so many stupid politicians in America
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#39 Posted by cslayer211 (797 posts) -
Stupid comment, but the title is really misleading. He never said that rape was "a gift from God", rather that no matter how life begins, it's a gift from God.
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#40 Posted by comp_atkins (34790 posts) -
god: "sorry about the rape there, katie, but hey, at least i'm giving you a baby out of it" katie: "gee, thanks god, that sure was swell of you!"
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#41 Posted by TopTierHustler (3894 posts) -

Didn't god technically rape mary?

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#42 Posted by comp_atkins (34790 posts) -

Didn't god technically rape mary?

TopTierHustler
does impregnation without permission = rape? so if you implanted a fertilized egg into a woman w/o their consent, is that considered rape?
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#43 Posted by TopTierHustler (3894 posts) -

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Didn't god technically rape mary?

comp_atkins

does impregnation without permission = rape? so if you implanted a fertilized egg into a woman w/o their consent, is that considered rape?

mind =http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vXGMuYJb78&t=2m35s

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#44 Posted by hiphops_savior (8447 posts) -
All life is precious, I get that. No baby that was born is truly an accident, but saying that rape is something God intended to happen is just something that shouldn't be said.
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#45 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (9488 posts) -
Stupid comment, but the title is really misleading. He never said that rape was "a gift from God", rather that no matter how life begins, it's a gift from God.cslayer211
I'm so glad that God includes rape in his grand scheme of things. Such a benevolent being.
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#46 Posted by Zensword (4509 posts) -
[QUOTE="cslayer211"]Stupid comment, but the title is really misleading. He never said that rape was "a gift from God", rather that no matter how life begins, it's a gift from God.HoolaHoopMan
I'm so glad that God includes rape in his grand scheme of things. Such a benevolent being.

:lol:
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#47 Posted by brickdoctor (9746 posts) -

I'm a Christian, but if God condones rape then I may start to question my leadership.

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#48 Posted by chessmaster1989 (30204 posts) -
And to think people voted for this guy over Lugar. What the f*ck...
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#49 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] Anything can lead to good going by that logic.

No.....

Sure, you say that this guy is right in that something good can come out of something bad. Why not also apply that logic to all bad things such as child molestation, genocide, murder, slavery, etc. The answer is because it's fvcking stupid and anyone who believes in that should be mocked and ridiculed.
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#50 Posted by Franklinstein (7017 posts) -
Conservatives have a major problem when it comes to abortion in the cases of rape. A lot of them don't see how that makes it any different.