George Lucas criticizes Disney and The Force Awakens

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#1  Edited By indzman
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George Lucas has criticized the latest installment of “Star Wars,” the series he created, in an interview with Charlie Rose, describing the film as too “retro” for his taste and jokingly comparing the Walt Disney Company, which bought the rights to the franchise in 2012, to “white slavers” who had bought his children.

Mr. Lucas appeared particularly unhappy with the direction the “Star Wars” franchise has taken since he sold the rights to it, along with Lucasfilm, his company, to Disney for $4 billion. He compared the sale to a breakup and a divorce.

“These are my kids. All the Star Wars films,” he said. “I love them, I created them, I’m very intimately involved in them.”

He added, trailing off with a laugh: “And I sold them to the white slavers that take these things and. …”

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Didn't he sell the rights to the property when he did so that he could avoid a marginally higher capital gains rate that he would have incurred if he'd sold them later?

He must have cared deeply.

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Lol white slavers.

What does he mean by that? Was it too PC for him?

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People are making way too big a deal about this. Yes, the joke was in bad taste. But that's what it was: a joke. And it was actually a self-deprecating one, rather than a slam against Disney. The gist of it, as I understand it, is "Star Wars was my baby, and I got rid of it for money." That seems to me a jab against HIMSELF for selling out.

And even then, it doesn't seem to be that harsh. He pretty much admits, "they wanted to do something else, so fine." And he was laughing during the white slavers remark, so it's pretty clear that it was just a bad joke.

But let's not make it out as if he's actually crying over Disney's treatment or anything like that. He might not be happy with Disney's take, but he's not asking for a pity party. He agreed to sell it, that's what he wanted. And if anything's clear after the prequels, it's that George Lucas does what he wants, because he can. Doesn't mean we have to demonize the guy for feeling a little bittersweet about it. After all, the fucking FANS act like Star Wars is their goddamn baby. And they had nothing to do with the shit. If ANYONE has a right to feel like Star Wars is his baby, it's George Lucas. That is like, THE defining achievement of his professional life, and he sold it for money. His sentiments are an understandable reaction, but it's not like he's asking for pity after recieving a check for FOUR BILLION DOLLARS.

There's no reason to make this out as anything more than a poorly worded self-deprecating joke. Context, people. Just because we hate the man and hope he burns in hell for the few times he made some bad Star Wars movies doesn't mean we have to twist everything he says to fit into that narrative.

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#5 Legend002
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4 billion is really nothing compared to what Disney is going to make. lol

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#6  Edited By CommandoAgent
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Well thats a lesson for him not to be Self Greedy. I have a feeling Disney might try to milk the Star Wars franchise.

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He has a point, Disney does hold a lot of IP slaves.

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#8 indzman
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Was Lucas broke or mad? Why did he sold off SW franchise ???

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@Legend002 said:

4 billion is really nothing compared to what Disney is going to make. lol

Don't forget Disney has Marvel in it so that doubles the amount Disney will make. Disney on a world domination.

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He's just whining that the film is getting great reviews and considered far better than the prequels. He didn't have to sell it but I think it is safe to say many are glad he did

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Hardly his baby. He certainly conceived the child and was there for the first few years of its life, but then hedisappeared and only sent alimony checks while raking in the huge success the child became, returning once in a while to punch the kid in the face, before making a final return when the kid was all grown up, to kidnap it and torture it for years in his basement. Finally, he sold his child into slavery to pay his own bills, but it turns out it was not slavers but liberators. There is now hope of Star Wars.

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#12  Edited By sayyy-gaa
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To paraphrase Balrog (U.S.): George Lucas got paid.

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He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

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**** him.

He sold the franchise and all rights to it for $4 billion.

He has no right to complain about what the new owners are doing with it.

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#15  Edited By deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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I wonder what the clauses werein regards to episodes 1through 6. I know that there was some kind of "no tampering" in the agreement.

Lucas is saddened because the nature and themes of the series have been altered.

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He also later recanted the "white slavers" comment. Anyway he just said that he wouldn't have done the whole retro feeling thing with the movie had he done it. Personally I don't really see what the big deal is with how he expressed his feelings on the movie.

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@davillain-:

They also own ESPN, which was news to me. And yet apparently, that isn't working out so well for them right now...

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@Heirren said:

I wonder what the clauses werein regards to episodes 1through 6. I know that there was some kind of "no tampering" in the agreement.

Lucas is saddened because the nature and themes of the series have been altered.

It was so nice back when the morality wasn't this giant black-vs-white billboard.

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@Heirren said:

I wonder what the clauses werein regards to episodes 1through 6. I know that there was some kind of "no tampering" in the agreement.

Lucas is saddened because the nature and themes of the series have been altered.

It's somewhat complicated. Even though Disney now owns the IP and characters, 20th Century Fox still owns the theatrical, home video, and distribution rights to the prequel trilogy and episodes 5 & 6 through May 2020. The real complication comes with episode 4, which fox owns "in perpetuity", in all media, worldwide. In other words, Fox permanently owns episode 4 forever, and until they hammer out some sort of deal with Disney, I wouldn't hold your breath on a proper complete collection anytime soon.

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Episode 7 has turned it into an elementary "believe in yourself" shtick. People couldn't seem to grasp the midichlorian concept, which truly goes hand in hand with episode 4 through 6.

"The force is an energy field...penetrates us...binds the galaxy together.. " there was always a physicality to the force.

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#21  Edited By coonana
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He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

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@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

I really liked the movie. However, the similarities with A New Hope did bother me. It would have been okay if they took a few things from it, but damn near the entire plot was lifted from A New Hope and that's ridiculous. I actually smiled at parts that were supposed to be serious simply due to the fact that they used the same damn plot device. Abrams isn't directing the other 2 so here's to hoping they will be more of their own movies.

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@Toxic-Seahorse said:
@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

I really liked the movie. However, the similarities with A New Hope did bother me. It would have been okay if they took a few things from it, but damn near the entire plot was lifted from A New Hope and that's ridiculous. I actually smiled at parts that were supposed to be serious simply due to the fact that they used the same damn plot device. Abrams isn't directing the other 2 so here's to hoping they will be more of their own movies.

I can understand people liking it in spite of the way it badly rehashes events mainly from Episode 4 but also from other parts of the trilogy.

He still damaged that universe and how an old character said goodbye to the series was completely rushed.

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#24  Edited By LostProphetFLCL
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@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

So being one of the best selling movies of all-time breaking all sorts of records and being second-best rated movie of the series is new lows now?

LOL!

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@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

Any Star Wars film is a superficial package.

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@LostProphetFLCL said:
@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

So being one of the best selling movies of all-time breaking all sorts of records and being second-best rated movie of the series is new lows now?

LOL!

Metacritic and box office literally have nothing to do with the quality of a film. They could have used sock puppets as the main characters as long as they emulated the original trilogy's look and Star Wars fans/casual fans would have ate it up.

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#27  Edited By coonana
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@GreySeal9: The original trilogy was not a superficial package. Maybe everything after that was.

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@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:
@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

So being one of the best selling movies of all-time breaking all sorts of records and being second-best rated movie of the series is new lows now?

LOL!

Metacritic and box office literally have nothing to do with the quality of a film. They could have used sock puppets as the main characters as long as they emulated the original trilogy's look and Star Wars fans/casual fans would have ate it up.

They mean a hell of a lot more than your opinion does!

Also, this ENTIRE SERIES has been EXTREMELY safe. You do realize that Lucas came up with Star Wars by trying to just piece together different elements of different successful movies, right? The whole story of "A New Hope" is nothing more than a copy paste of "the Hero's Journey" and the whole reason the lightsabers even came to be is because he was trying to copy/remake the movie "Seven Samurai" and that's not even getting into the fact that A New Hope actually was supposed to be a freaking "Flash Gordon" movie until they screwed up on getting the rights to that series.

It is actually really fitting that the reboot of the series would take a lot of elements from the original movies seeing as this entire series was never about being original in the first place, but putting together elements of successful movies and putting the space twist on it to make a buck.

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@Heirren said:

@foxhound_fox:

Episode 7 has turned it into an elementary "believe in yourself" shtick. People couldn't seem to grasp the midichlorian concept, which truly goes hand in hand with episode 4 through 6.

"The force is an energy field...penetrates us...binds the galaxy together.. " there was always a physicality to the force.

Your paraphrase falsely.

Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us.Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.

I'm not a mega-nerd and I haven't read anything Lucas wrote about the Force before he made the prequel trilogy, so I only have the canon to work on here... and Yoda clearly says the Force is an energy field unrelated to anything physical. That might have been changed in the Special Edition to cover up the retcon of course.

But with the prequel trilogy, and the new canon it brings in, obviously the Force is physical and there is nothing I can do to change that.

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George should shut up and put his money where his mouth is. He's certainly got enough money to make any movie he wants so until then he'll be known as the guy who made 3 groundbreaking movies and decades later 3 that nearly killed a franchise loved worldwide.

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@fenriz275: " and decades later 3 that nearly killed a franchise loved worldwide."

Why the other 3 failed?

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#32  Edited By AFBrat77
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@PSP107:

poor pacing, poorly written, and Jar Jar Binks. So many times you could fall asleep in those movies before something interesting happens.

Really the only thing I remember from Episode 2 was the fight between Yoda and Dooku.

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#33  Edited By ShadowsDemon
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I think he's just jealous.

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He shouldn't have sold the rights then. It's not his anymore.

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@foxhound_fox:

That's obi wan from episode4. Yodas coincides with it. He's referring moreso to the mind-- the human spirit.

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he's just butthurt he made three shitty prequels and some young blood swooped in and made him look like a chump, you'd think considering he only wrote and direct Episode IV prior while he handed off Empire and Jedi to other writers and directors that he'd be use to it, but I guess not

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@lamprey263:

The prequels are brilliant. Force Awakens is just fan service. There's no character. It could be Transformers if it wasn't called Star Wars.

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#38  Edited By AFBrat77
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@Heirren:

The prequels were particularly lame....even Revenge of the Sith had some bad pacing.

The Force Awakens wasn't very original but it was well-paced and enjoyable. Hopefully Disney gives Rian Johnson some creative freedom in the next movie, he's capable.

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I can understand where GL is coming from, he wasn't happy when he saw the screening cause of certain elements (I won't spoil it) copied from the EU, which we all know Disney has made Star Wars EU none canon. Then you have Abrams, before TFA I thought he was a decent director but after TFA his movies are becoming predictable, everything I predicted that would happen in TFA happened and it annoyed the hell out of me. It didn't help that Disney vomited Star Wars commercials left and right, hell even one of them spoiled something about Rey (it was a duracell battery commercial) that happens in the movie, seriously chill out on the commercials for the next movie.

As for the prequels, yes ep 1 was garbage, ep 2 was meh and ep 3 was actually pretty good except Padme and her "death by giving child birth" scene which was so horribly done and Christensen was a horrible Anakin (Obi was such a BAMF in ep 3).

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#40  Edited By Pe4chy96
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well he has corrected himself and said that its all fine... im sure he realized that after his words he could lose a million or two lol

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#42 supa_badman
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@LostProphetFLCL said:
@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

So being one of the best selling movies of all-time breaking all sorts of records and being second-best rated movie of the series is new lows now?

LOL!

>i still believe numbers and ratings equal quality in a product! lol! XD

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#43 comp_atkins
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i can't find any reason to care about this :P

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#44 Allicrombie
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Lucas is just mad because now he won't get to do Episode VIII: Yoda Files Tax Returns.

Luke: Where's all my stuff?1

Yoda: repossessed, they were. To the dark side, compound interest leads!

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#45 deactivated-59d151f079814
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@hallenbeck77 said:
@Heirren said:

I wonder what the clauses werein regards to episodes 1through 6. I know that there was some kind of "no tampering" in the agreement.

Lucas is saddened because the nature and themes of the series have been altered.

It's somewhat complicated. Even though Disney now owns the IP and characters, 20th Century Fox still owns the theatrical, home video, and distribution rights to the prequel trilogy and episodes 5 & 6 through May 2020. The real complication comes with episode 4, which fox owns "in perpetuity", in all media, worldwide. In other words, Fox permanently owns episode 4 forever, and until they hammer out some sort of deal with Disney, I wouldn't hold your breath on a proper complete collection anytime soon.

Don't forget that they DESPISE each other.. Quicksilver was put on Xmen Days of Future Past (it was originally planned to be Juggernaut but they caught wind of Quicksilver being in the Avengers movie) just to spite Disney in being the first to have Quicksilver show up in the movies before Avengers 2.

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#46 Drunk_PI
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I want to respect George Lucas for his work on the original trilogy (even though others deserve the credit more), his opinion is irrelevant since A.) He sold Star Wars for billions and B.) his work on the prequels is horrible and his additions to the sequels were just as bad. Seriously, if there's any movie(s) that deserve a remake/reboot, it's the prequels.

The funny thing is that the politics in Force Awakens is much more interesting than whatever happened in I, II, and III, mostly because it's not in your face and it's much more realistic.

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#47 coonana
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@LostProphetFLCL said:
@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:
@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

So being one of the best selling movies of all-time breaking all sorts of records and being second-best rated movie of the series is new lows now?

LOL!

Metacritic and box office literally have nothing to do with the quality of a film. They could have used sock puppets as the main characters as long as they emulated the original trilogy's look and Star Wars fans/casual fans would have ate it up.

They mean a hell of a lot more than your opinion does!

Also, this ENTIRE SERIES has been EXTREMELY safe. You do realize that Lucas came up with Star Wars by trying to just piece together different elements of different successful movies, right? The whole story of "A New Hope" is nothing more than a copy paste of "the Hero's Journey" and the whole reason the lightsabers even came to be is because he was trying to copy/remake the movie "Seven Samurai" and that's not even getting into the fact that A New Hope actually was supposed to be a freaking "Flash Gordon" movie until they screwed up on getting the rights to that series.

It is actually really fitting that the reboot of the series would take a lot of elements from the original movies seeing as this entire series was never about being original in the first place, but putting together elements of successful movies and putting the space twist on it to make a buck.

I am well aware that Star Wars retreads the path of a story that has been repeating itself since before the Old Testament. That doesn't mean I want it to repeat the cycle so closely that I can start to predict exactly what happens. At a certain point why don't we have Abrams just remaster the OG trilogy as there is zero interest in even having these characters do anything but follow what exactly has been done before.

I am not going to entertain the illogical conversation as to why using metacritic as "proof" that this movie is good or bad. At the end of the day I am glad you guys enjoyed it. At the same time I am sad that Abrams continues to dupe millions of fans of various fictions.

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#48 Jag85
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@LostProphetFLCL said:
@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:
@coonana said:
@LostProphetFLCL said:

He's just jelly that the series is being taken to new heights without him.

Actually new lows would be a more appropriate way to describe Episode 7.

A Star Wars movie is not inherently good if it properly emulates the style of the original trilogy. This movie showed great actors spewing out bad lines directed by Abrams who is the most overrated director in Hollywood. This movie showed us that the corporate influence on Star Wars is more prevalent than ever.

They gave this movie the Jurassic World treatment of a reboot. It works for the Jurassic series, but that level of meta cynicism is so damaging to the world of Star Wars. Abrams instead of making a good villain out of Adam Driver (great actor), used him as a symbolism for angry Star Wars purists. I am a fan of film, never been a Star Wars guy on a specific level and this movie even failed me.

Abrams does not have to worry about Star Wars fans hating this movie like they did the prequels. He gave them what they wanted, a superficial package. Most Star Wars fans seem to be happy with these movies tactlessly pulling lines and nods from the OG trilogy.

So being one of the best selling movies of all-time breaking all sorts of records and being second-best rated movie of the series is new lows now?

LOL!

Metacritic and box office literally have nothing to do with the quality of a film. They could have used sock puppets as the main characters as long as they emulated the original trilogy's look and Star Wars fans/casual fans would have ate it up.

They mean a hell of a lot more than your opinion does!

Also, this ENTIRE SERIES has been EXTREMELY safe. You do realize that Lucas came up with Star Wars by trying to just piece together different elements of different successful movies, right? The whole story of "A New Hope" is nothing more than a copy paste of "the Hero's Journey" and the whole reason the lightsabers even came to be is because he was trying to copy/remake the movie "Seven Samurai" and that's not even getting into the fact that A New Hope actually was supposed to be a freaking "Flash Gordon" movie until they screwed up on getting the rights to that series.

It is actually really fitting that the reboot of the series would take a lot of elements from the original movies seeing as this entire series was never about being original in the first place, but putting together elements of successful movies and putting the space twist on it to make a buck.

A New Hope was definitely not original. The original script was basically just a sci-fi version of Akira Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress, before Lucas re-wrote it into a pastiche of Kurosawa, Dune, and Flash Gordon. But it doesn't really matter, because the series became a lot more original with Empire Strikes Back, which was when the series came into its own. "I am your father" is still one of the most famous twists in movie history.

Also, Metacritic is less reliable than Rotten Tomatoes, where The Force Awakens has a lower average rating (8.2) than A New Hope (8.5) and Empire Strikes Back (8.9).

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#49 coonana
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A New Hope derives its work from tons of other fictions but does so in a way that showcases a very compelling story.TFA retreads its own previous stories.

Can you understand the dilution going on here?