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#1 princeofshapeir
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The growth of this "fat acceptance" culture in America leaves me legitimately confused. Not only are we expected to treat obese people with respect and never urge them to lose weight, but somehow we should welcome fat people into our standards of what's socially acceptable and beautiful. What kind of idiot believes people should reform standard sof beauty to accept obese or fat people? Humans inherently view slimness as ideal--it's a sign of health, hygiene, and to some extent intelligence. Obesity is an abnormal lifestyle that exists due to excess; it's not natural and never should be treated as such.

That whole debacle over that fat news reporter getting infuriated over some guy telling her to lose weight in the most kind, gentle terms really brought this all full circle. Link here. This guy never called the reporter "fat", "obese", or "overweight" directly; he never attacked her for her weight; he never made his comments public (they were in a private f*cking e-mail, and she CHOSE to make his comment public in an attempt to garner sympathy). All he did was encourage and try to motivate her to lose weight to promote a healthy lifestyle, a lifestyle EVERYONE should aspire to adopt. What we saw was this woman berate him like some sort of bully, mirepresent what he said in the crudest of fashions, and then cry crocodile tears as the public and media rallied behind her. It was pathetic.

I just wish fat people would realize their lifestyle isn't healthy, isn't sustainable, isn't ideal, and isn't admirable; there is no reason to respect an obese lifestyle when it's immoral and dangerous.

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#2 CreasianDevaili
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Gonna use the silly counter point used in other.... social aspects. You a closet chubby chaser?
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Not accepting someone because of their looks is hilarious coming from an Obama supporter...

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#4 Wilfred_Owen
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I feel you man. I just can't accept a person until they start bench pressing trucks left and right.
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*rubs butter on body*
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#6 princeofshapeir
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Not accepting someone because of their looks is hilarious coming from an Obama supporter...

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Obesity is more than aesthetics. It's an indicator of a dangerous and disgusting lifestyle. It tells a person that you let immediate gratification dictate your life choices.
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#7 jman1553
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TC is just mad because he's too poor to buy food.

[spoiler] If people want to be fat, let them. So long as they're adults, old enough to buy/make food for themselves, as well as old enough to make decisions for themselves, why care? There were other times in history where fat people were considered beautiful, so if that happens again, big deal. [/spoiler]

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#8 Bucked20
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Its funny how yall hate fat people on here
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#9 princeofshapeir
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I feel you man. I just can't accept a person until they start bench pressing trucks left and right.Wilfred_Owen
Cute. Losing weight is easy. There's nothing self-righteous or egotistical about wanting people to either get in shape or realize they have a problem and stop lobbying for society to accept their laziness.
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#10 Lotus-Edge
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...somehow we should welcome fat people into our standards of what's socially acceptable and beautiful.

princeofshapeir
They generally were for centuries. Symbols of fertility and such. Just look at any piece of art featuring a woman pre-1800.
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#11 sune_Gem
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I just find them ugly and I can't help but see them as a little greedy. I wouldn't ever say that to them though. That's just mean.

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#12 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Not accepting someone because of their looks is hilarious coming from an Obama supporter...

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Came in to say this lol.

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#13 Kurushio
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Being overweight is usually a choice. Considering that it is almost always based on their diet, it shows that they do not care what they eat or how much. Now it certainly isnt easy to lose a significant amount of weight but neither is it all that complicated. It need not even be any more expensive and it usually comes down to just limiting your total calories per day. There are healthy overweight people and very unhealthy thin people. So weight sometimes is not the overall factor, but generally the BMI range is fairly accurate for most except for bodybuilders. It probably would be better if more people took charge of their weight and could control it better, but then the same goes for smokers, drinkers, and druggies. As much as you may want to help someone get better, it simply is not up to you and sometimes even trying can make things worse.
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I see nothing wrong with being fat, as long as you're not one of those fat people in the electronic walmart carts, they piss me of sooo bad.
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TC is just mad because he's too poor to buy food.

[spoiler] If people want to be fat, let them. So long as they're adults, old enough to buy/make food for themselves, as well as old enough to make decisions for themselves, why care? There were other times in history where fat people were considered beautiful, so if that happens again, big deal. [/spoiler]

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So you're saying you're fine with fatasses becoming the majority and dictating the ideal lifestyle, regardless of it being a lifestyle that is unsustainable, toxic, and guaranteed to lead you to reduced life expectancy? Brilliant. What a brilliant proposition for advancing society. I am stunned by how incredibly ingenious it is to say "f*ck it" and sit by the wayside while obesity skyrockets in the U.S.
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Why someone else is fat is none of my business unless s/he wants me to help him/her with weight loss.
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#17 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Not accepting someone because of their looks is hilarious coming from an Obama supporter...

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Came in to say this lol.

I think this is one of those great minds think alike deals. :P

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I see nothing wrong with being fat, as long as you're not one of those fat people in the electronic walmart carts, they piss me of sooo bad.Fightingfan
They are also the ones that have to park in the closest handicap space to the stores. Makes me laugh really especially after watching the south park episode that dealt with it.
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The growth of this "fat acceptance" culture in America leaves me legitimately confused. Not only are we expected to treat obese people with respect and never urge them to lose weight, but somehow we should welcome fat people into our standards of what's socially acceptable and beautiful.

You can urge them to lose weight, but you should still show them respect. They are still people afterall. Also beauty does not come from the outside, hotness does however and you are not obligated to find them attractive or pretend to find them attractive.

What kind of idiot believes people should reform standards of beauty to accept obese or fat people? Humans inherently view slimness as ideal--it's a sign of health, hygiene, and to some extent intelligence.

Again beauty is not the same as attractiveness, and frankly society deams what is and what is not beautiful. It wasn't overly long ago when being chubby was a way to show a sign of wealth and prosperity.

Obesity is an abnormal lifestyle that exists due to excess; it's not natural and never should be treated as such.

That whole debacle over that fat news reporter getting infuriated over some guy telling her to lose weight in the most kind, gentle terms really brought this all full circle. Link here. This guy never called the reporter "fat", "obese", or "overweight" directly; he never attacked her for her weight; he never made his comments public (they were in a private f*cking e-mail, and she CHOSE to make his comment public in an attempt to garner sympathy). All he did was encourage and try to motivate her to lose weight to promote a healthy lifestyle, a lifestyle EVERYONE should aspire to adopt. What we saw was this woman berate him like some sort of bully, mirepresent what he said in the crudest of fashions, and then cry crocodile tears as the public and media rallied behind her. It was pathetic.

I just wish fat people would realize their lifestyle isn't healthy, isn't sustainable, isn't ideal, and isn't admirable; there is no reason to respect an obese lifestyle when it's immoral and dangerous.

princeofshapeir

I'm pretty much done. I'm not going to go through this whole thing and point out how you are wrong point by point since you don't intend to listen anyways.

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#20 Fightingfan
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Why someone else is fat is none of my business unless s/he wants me to help him/her with weight loss.ghoklebutter
You can debate that it increases healthcare costs, so it does effect you somewhat(so it could be your business).

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#21 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

...somehow we should welcome fat people into our standards of what's socially acceptable and beautiful.

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They generally were for centuries. Symbols of fertility and such. Just look at any piece of art featuring a woman pre-1800.

This is such a stupid argument. Standards of wealth and lifestyle were far more different pre-1800 compared to today. Plumpness was a sign of indulgence, wealth, status, and a rich lifestyle. It was rare and therefore unique. That is not the case in society today, with the rise of a middle class since the Industrial age and the gap between rich and poor significantly less than pre-1800.

And I challenge to you to present a piece of art worshippng women with bodies like this:

Obese-woman-460x276.jpg

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Here's the thing; I simply do not give a fvck.
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[QUOTE="jman1553"]

TC is just mad because he's too poor to buy food.

[spoiler] If people want to be fat, let them. So long as they're adults, old enough to buy/make food for themselves, as well as old enough to make decisions for themselves, why care? There were other times in history where fat people were considered beautiful, so if that happens again, big deal. [/spoiler]

princeofshapeir
So you're saying you're fine with fatasses becoming the majority and dictating the ideal lifestyle, regardless of it being a lifestyle that is unsustainable, toxic, and guaranteed to lead you to reduced life expectancy? Brilliant. What a brilliant proposition for advancing society. I am stunned by how incredibly ingenious it is to say "f*ck it" and sit by the wayside while obesity skyrockets in the U.S.

Yeah bro, lets ban trucks, dangerous sports, smoking, drinking, tanning and sugar too.
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#24 coolbeans90
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the gap between rich and poor significantly less than pre-1800.

princeofshapeir

Perhaps in terms of living standards, but not income or wealth, really.

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#25 KiIIyou
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Here's the thing; I simply do not give a fvck. l4dak47
Why not?
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[QUOTE="Lotus-Edge"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

...somehow we should welcome fat people into our standards of what's socially acceptable and beautiful.

princeofshapeir

They generally were for centuries. Symbols of fertility and such. Just look at any piece of art featuring a woman pre-1800.

This is such a stupid argument. Standards of wealth and lifestyle were far more different pre-1800 compared to today. Plumpness was a sign of indulgence, wealth, status, and a rich lifestyle. It was rare and therefore unique. That is not the case in society today, with the rise of a middle class since the Industrial age and the gap between rich and poor significantly less than pre-1800.

And I challenge to you to present a piece of art worshippng women with bodies like this:

Obese-woman-460x276.jpg

Sadly, it's all over deviantART...

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I understand where TC is coming from and even agree to a point. It would be nice if we lived in a utopian society where no one were ever fat. Part of it is that it is more expensive to eat properly and people grossly underestimate how many calories they are eating or need to eat. Not to mention depression or medication can have a huge effect on appetite and weight gain.
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Here's the thing; I simply do not give a fvck. KiIIyou
Why not?

Because many of the arguments used against obesity is also used against drug use.
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#29 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Hey TC, tell your hero Obama to stop corn subsidies so garbage food isn't so cheap.

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Hey TC, tell your hero Obama to stop corn subsidies so garbage food isn't so cheap.

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[QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"]I feel you man. I just can't accept a person until they start bench pressing trucks left and right.princeofshapeir
Cute. Losing weight is easy. There's nothing self-righteous or egotistical about wanting people to either get in shape or realize they have a problem and stop lobbying for society to accept their laziness.

Losing weight is easy? You're being disingenuous. Maybe for some people it can be easy, but others can have diseases that make it harder. Things like thyroide disorder can make it near impossible to lose weight.
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We have this problem in the UK. Its all about fat slags to put it blunt. If you are not slightly overweight, blonde hair, refuse to speak correctly and adopt whatever the cool slang is, then you are not a proper woman. We have a thing in our media where women constantly attack those in shape even if they are not in the pictures. Its like a tabloid will cover a slightly overweight woman and the comments will be "this is a REAL WOMAN not those fake women blahh blah blah", its like, ah take your frustration out and go to the gym.

Thats another thing that winds me up. People want to lose weight but do nothing, so bring in the eat less diets, honestly its a joke.

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This is such a stupid argument. Standards of wealth and lifestyle were far more different pre-1800 compared to today. Plumpness was a sign of indulgence, wealth, status, and a rich lifestyle. It was rare and therefore unique. That is not the case in society today, with the rise of a middle class since the Industrial age and the gap between rich and poor significantly less than pre-1800.

princeofshapeir
You're arguing against yourself now. Being large was okay then because "society" thought it so, but not now? Who's to say it won't change back, or move on to something else that seems even stranger to us now. Even besides all that, you're talking absolutes about a subject that's nebulous at best.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Hey TC, tell your hero Obama to stop corn subsidies so garbage food isn't so cheap.

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#35 jman1553
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TC is just mad because he's too poor to buy food.

[spoiler] If people want to be fat, let them. So long as they're adults, old enough to buy/make food for themselves, as well as old enough to make decisions for themselves, why care? There were other times in history where fat people were considered beautiful, so if that happens again, big deal. [/spoiler]

princeofshapeir

So you're saying you're fine with fatasses becoming the majority and dictating the ideal lifestyle, regardless of it being a lifestyle that is unsustainable, toxic, and guaranteed to lead you to reduced life expectancy? Brilliant. What a brilliant proposition for advancing society. I am stunned by how incredibly ingenious it is to say "f*ck it" and sit by the wayside while obesity skyrockets in the U.S.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying.

[spoiler] But seriously, I do think something should be done. At least some sort of TV campaign that illustrates the risks of obesity, just as there are commercials to inform people of the risks of smoking. But really, let's not limit a person's freedom to choose their lifestyle. We don't have the authority to dictate a person's free will. [/spoiler]

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Not accepting someone because of their looks is hilarious coming from an Obama supporter...

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Yeah it is kind of weird an Obama supporter of all people would say this.
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"]I feel you man. I just can't accept a person until they start bench pressing trucks left and right.cslayer211
Cute. Losing weight is easy. There's nothing self-righteous or egotistical about wanting people to either get in shape or realize they have a problem and stop lobbying for society to accept their laziness.

Losing weight is easy? You're being disingenuous. Maybe for some people it can be easy, but others can have diseases that make it harder. Things like thyroide disorder can make it near impossible to lose weight.

The people who have a legitimate medical excuse for being overweight are actually pretty slim (hehe). The vast majority of overweight people may not be able to ever be thin but they could still drop a good deal of weight with a proper diet.
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[QUOTE="Kurushio"][QUOTE="cslayer211"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Cute. Losing weight is easy. There's nothing self-righteous or egotistical about wanting people to either get in shape or realize they have a problem and stop lobbying for society to accept their laziness.

Losing weight is easy? You're being disingenuous. Maybe for some people it can be easy, but others can have diseases that make it harder. Things like thyroide disorder can make it near impossible to lose weight.

The people who have a legitimate medical excuse for being overweight are actually pretty slim (hehe). The vast majority of overweight people may not be able to ever be thin but they could still drop a good deal of weight with a proper diet.

That's true, but you can't group them into a big category like TC did. Some are also poor and eat junk food that is cheaper.
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[QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"]I feel you man. I just can't accept a person until they start bench pressing trucks left and right.princeofshapeir
Cute. Losing weight is easy. There's nothing self-righteous or egotistical about wanting people to either get in shape or realize they have a problem and stop lobbying for society to accept their laziness.

Not for everyone. If you think it's so easy, get about 50 overweight men and women to follow your lifestyle and see if they lose weight.

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[QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"]I feel you man. I just can't accept a person until they start bench pressing trucks left and right.princeofshapeir
Cute. Losing weight is easy.

TC is clearly a skinny b*tch.
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"]I feel you man. I just can't accept a person until they start bench pressing trucks left and right.darkspineslayer
Cute. Losing weight is easy.

TC is clearly a skinny b*tch.

Most likely.

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#43 Dogswithguns
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If they ask me to give them a ride somewhere.. I would just say no.
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Or TC is a self-loathing fata**.

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I just wish fat people would realize their lifestyle isn't healthy, isn't sustainable, isn't ideal, and isn't admirable; there is no reason to respect an obese lifestyle when it's immoral and dangerous.princeofshapeir
I wish people would realize that other people's weight is none of their ****ing business.
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#46 suz437
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Losing weight is one of the most simple ideas out there. Less calories than what you burn during the day. Hell even siting on your ass you burn calories. For someone who's never worked out, they probably burn about 1500 - 1600 cal doing fvck all. Hypothyroidism isn't exactly too common of a disease either. If you do have it, there is medication that does help. It's just that the North American way is too lazy to walk, cook or even do simple exercise to keep healthy. 45 min a day is not asking too much, less than 1\24 of a day.

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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

...somehow we should welcome fat people into our standards of what's socially acceptable and beautiful.

Lotus-Edge
They generally were for centuries. Symbols of fertility and such. Just look at any piece of art featuring a woman pre-1800.

Yeah, but then we realised that they were actually symbols of poor health and an early death
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#48 Slashless
Member since 2011 • 9534 Posts
I see nothing wrong with being fat, as long as you're not one of those fat people in the electronic walmart carts, they piss me of sooo bad.Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Lotus-Edge"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

...somehow we should welcome fat people into our standards of what's socially acceptable and beautiful.

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They generally were for centuries. Symbols of fertility and such. Just look at any piece of art featuring a woman pre-1800.

Yeah, but then we realised that they were actually symbols of poor health and an early death

You make it sound like if you're 20 pounds overweight you instantly die the second you turn 40
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#50 Laihendi
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If the government didn't force me to pay obese people's medical bills I wouldn't mind them being fat.