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A cache of 2.5 million files has cracked open the secrets of more than 120,000 offshore companies and trusts, exposing hidden dealings of politicians, con men and the mega-rich the world over. The secret records obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists lay bare the names behind covert companies and private trusts in the British Virgin Islands, the Cook Islands and other offshore hideaways. They include American doctors and dentists and middle-class Greek villagers as well as families and associates of long-time despots, Wall Street swindlers, Eastern European and Indonesian billionaires, Russian corporate executives, international arms dealers and a sham-director-fronted company that the European Union has labeled as a cog in Irans nuclear-development program. The leaked files provide facts and figures cash transfers, incorporation dates, links between companies and individuals that illustrate how offshore financial secrecy has spread aggressively around the globe, allowing the wealthy and the well-connected to dodge taxes and fueling corruption and economic woes in rich and poor nations alike. The records detail the offshore holdings of people and companies in more than 170 countries and territories. The hoard of documents represents the biggest stockpile of inside information about the offshore system ever obtained by a media organization. The total size of the files, measured in gigabytes, is more than 160 times larger than the leak of U.S. State Department documents by Wikileaks in 2010. To analyze the documents, ICIJ collaborated with reporters from The Guardian and the BBC in the U.K., Le Monde in France, Süddeutsche Zeitung and Norddeutscher Rundfunk in Germany, The Washington Post, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) and 31 other media partners around the world. Eighty-six journalists from 46 countries used high-tech data crunching and shoe-leather reporting to sift through emails, account ledgers and other files covering nearly 30 years. ... Offshore patrons identified in the documents include: Individuals and companies linked to Russias Magnitsky Affair, a tax fraud scandal that has strained U.S.-Russia relations and led to a ban on Americans adopting Russian orphans. A Venezuelan deal maker accused of using offshore entities to bankroll a U.S.-based Ponzi scheme and funneling millions of dollars in bribes to a Venezuelan government official. A corporate mogul who won billions of dollars in contracts amid Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyevs massive construction boom even as he served as a director of secrecy-shrouded offshore companies owned by the presidents daughters. Indonesian billionaires with ties to the late dictator Suharto, who enriched a circle of elites during his decades in power. The anonymity of the offshore world makes it difficult to track the flow of money. A study by James S. Henry, former chief economist at McKinsey & Company, estimates that wealthy individuals have $21 trillion to $32 trillion in private financial wealth tucked away in offshore havens roughly equivalent to the size of the U.S. and Japanese economies combined.

Should these people be arrested?
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link?

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Should these people be arrested?

Lonelynight

Probably.

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link?

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opps forgot to put it in sos
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Gonna play with fire...you'll eventually get burned.
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Arrested for keeping their money?  Maybe they can arrest the people who were apart of the ponzi scheme, but I don't see why the other people should be put in a cage for trying to keep their money away from the government.  

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#7 Lonelynight
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Arrested for keeping their money?  Maybe they can arrest the people who were apart of the ponzie scheme, but I don't see why the other people should be put in a cage for trying to keep their money away from the government.  

hoola
they could've chose to migrate elsewhere with lower taxes. But I only really want those who got their money through corrupt means to go to prison.
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What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.
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What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.General_X
maybe they just like the smell of money
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What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.General_X

I have to agree.  If i made enough money that storing it in an offshore account would save me a little bit, I probably wouldn't do it just because of the hassle of moving it and the risk that I did something wrong.  

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What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.General_X
Because greed is powerful. And it's about retaining wealth within the family. Even though personally you may never be able to spend that kind of money, it ensures your family can live in opulence for many, many generations following you.
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Arrested for keeping their money?  Maybe they can arrest the people who were apart of the ponzi scheme, but I don't see why the other people should be put in a cage for trying to keep their money away from the government.  

hoola

Lying to the IRS is a crime. If you don't want to pay taxes, move to some tax haven place like Monaco.

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What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.General_X
Because the guy who dies with the most money wins.
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[QUOTE="hoola"]

Arrested for keeping their money?  Maybe they can arrest the people who were apart of the ponzi scheme, but I don't see why the other people should be put in a cage for trying to keep their money away from the government.  

Aljosa23

Lying to the IRS is a crime. If you don't want to pay taxes, move to some tax haven place like Monaco.

Is all of this illegal or are they finding loopholes and exceptions in the tax law to allow them to do this legally?

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What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.General_X

You always want more money

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What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.General_X
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[QUOTE="General_X"]What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.-Sun_Tzu-
Because the guy who dies with the most money wins.

Monopoly taught us this.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="General_X"]What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.3eyedrazorback
Because the guy who dies with the most money wins.

Monopoly taught us this.

I thought Monopoly taught us to always be the banker

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Arrested for keeping their money?  Maybe they can arrest the people who were apart of the ponzi scheme, but I don't see why the other people should be put in a cage for trying to keep their money away from the government.  

hoola

Lying to the IRS is a crime. If you don't want to pay taxes, move to some tax haven place like Monaco.

Is all of this illegal or are they finding loopholes and exceptions in the tax law to allow them to do this legally?

I don't think what they are doing is illegal, I can't say the same for the people who obtained the money illegally though. The bottom line is when you make money you want more, and its called human desires, nothing is ever enough.
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[QUOTE="3eyedrazorback"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Because the guy who dies with the most money wins. lostrib

Monopoly taught us this.

I thought Monopoly taught us to always be the banker

Crap, you're right. Also, it taught me that in life, rolling doubles is good (until the third time). Not really pertinent, but it's always good to know.
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Arrested for keeping their money?  Maybe they can arrest the people who were apart of the ponzi scheme, but I don't see why the other people should be put in a cage for trying to keep their money away from the government.  

hoola

pure selfishness.

They deserve to be jailed.

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[QUOTE="hoola"]

Arrested for keeping their money?  Maybe they can arrest the people who were apart of the ponzi scheme, but I don't see why the other people should be put in a cage for trying to keep their money away from the government.  

MakeMeaSammitch

pure selfishness.

They deserve to be jailed.

for being selfish?

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capitalists once again prove how disgusting they are. Marx was right about all this happening.

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[QUOTE="3eyedrazorback"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Because the guy who dies with the most money wins. lostrib

Monopoly taught us this.

I thought Monopoly taught us to always be the banker

deep
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capitalists once again prove how disgusting they are. Marx was right about all this happening.

osirisx3

But communism sucks

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capitalists once again prove how disgusting they are. Marx was right about all this happening.

osirisx3

 

History has proven that planned economies work flawlessly. 

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Arrested for keeping their money?  Maybe they can arrest the people who were apart of the ponzi scheme, but I don't see why the other people should be put in a cage for trying to keep their money away from the government.  

lostrib

pure selfishness.

They deserve to be jailed.

for being selfish?

yes.

raped in the a$$ too.

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[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

capitalists once again prove how disgusting they are. Marx was right about all this happening.

Jebus213

 

History has proven that planned economies work flawlessly. 

Singapore seems to be doing pretty good.
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]pure selfishness.

They deserve to be jailed.

MakeMeaSammitch

for being selfish?

yes.

raped in the a$$ too.

You're a moron

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#30 Jebus213
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

capitalists once again prove how disgusting they are. Marx was right about all this happening.

Lonelynight

 

History has proven that planned economies work flawlessly. 

Singapore seems to be doing pretty good.

 

Singapore has a mixed economy.

 You could probably find a European country that has a more socialized economy.

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

for being selfish?

lostrib

yes.

raped in the a$$ too.

You're a moron

With a wine bottle.

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Is any of this actually illegal though?
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What a bunch of bronze league noobs. Everyone knows hoarding money isn't the way to win, you gotta spend that sh*t.
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Is any of this actually illegal though? HoolaHoopMan

The act of putting into an offshore account isn't the problem. The problem comes when people place their money in off-shore accounts, invest it, make a good amount of money off of that, then bring it back into their native country without paying the taxes on that money.

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There is nothing wrong with avoiding taxes. They should not be arrested for that.
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There is nothing wrong with avoiding taxes. They should not be arrested for that.Laihendi

well they should if they've broken the law

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There is nothing wrong with avoiding taxes. They should not be arrested for that.Laihendi
To you maybe, but to the US government and laws it is (no matter what your view on it) if laws were broken.

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What I don't understand is, what's the point? Why hoard the money when you're so rich that you already have a bigger home than you need, more cars than you can drive, more TV's than you can watch, etc. etc. I guess I just don't get it.General_X
Greed.....
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Any government that says it has a right to take what you produce simply because you produced it is a thief and its laws are not legitimate. Right and wrong are objective concepts and they are not matters of perspective.
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Any government that says it has a right to take what you produce simply because you produced it is a thief and its laws are not legitimate. Right and wrong are objective concepts and they are not matters of perspective.Laihendi
I don't see any lawsuits being filed.
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Any government that says it has a right to take what you produce simply because you produced it is a thief and its laws are not legitimate. Right and wrong are objective concepts and they are not matters of perspective.Laihendi
And yet I'm sure you are happy to have a military to defend the country so no one can come in and take away your property and enslave you, you probably use roads every day to get around, etc etc. You seem greed Lai....
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Any government that says it has a right to take what you produce simply because you produced it is a thief and its laws are not legitimate. Right and wrong are objective concepts and they are not matters of perspective.Laihendi

If they broke the law, then they should be charged with a crime.  They decided to do business and live in America, so they should obey the laws

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Any government that says it has a right to take what you produce simply because you produced it is a thief and its laws are not legitimate. Right and wrong are objective concepts and they are not matters of perspective.lostrib

If they broke the law, then they should be charged with a crime.  They decided to do business and live in America, so they should obey the laws

No they should not. Looters do not have a right to establish a legal monopoly over an entire country. Looter government are not legitimate. And LJ, how is a government that says I do not have a right to property or wealth, that says it can take whatever it wants from me because I live on its land by its charity, how can such a government protect me from others who would enslave me? How does a slaver protect me from slavery?
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There is nothing wrong with avoiding taxes. They should not be arrested for that.Laihendi

:roll:  Yes they should.. They are more or less leaching off the system.. Taking for all it's worth, while not paying into it..  I can't believe people actually can defend this behavior what so ever..  No one cares about their money.. It's the fact it is having a negative impact on the system which affects us all.. When you have people like this taking advantage of the system, while not paying to it.. We are leading to a system that will eventually collapse.. 

  And people wonder why we are losing American jobs.. Because we have a environment in which corporations can and will off shore everything they can with out any reprecautions, all while reaping the benefits of being within the US including the consumer base..  This should not be allowed.. If businesses still want to off shore for instance, well they can feel free to leave the United States, or pay a heavy penalty for doing so.. 

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Any government that says it has a right to take what you produce simply because you produced it is a thief and its laws are not legitimate. Right and wrong are objective concepts and they are not matters of perspective.Laihendi

If they broke the law, then they should be charged with a crime.  They decided to do business and live in America, so they should obey the laws

No they should not. Looters do not have a right to establish a legal monopoly over an entire country. Looter government are not legitimate. And LJ, how is a government that says I do not have a right to property or wealth, that says it can take whatever it wants from me because I live on its land by its charity, how can such a government protect me from others who would enslave me? How does a slaver protect me from slavery?

WTF are you talking about?
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Any government that says it has a right to take what you produce simply because you produced it is a thief and its laws are not legitimate. Right and wrong are objective concepts and they are not matters of perspective.Laihendi

If they broke the law, then they should be charged with a crime.  They decided to do business and live in America, so they should obey the laws

No they should not. Looters do not have a right to establish a legal monopoly over an entire country. Looter government are not legitimate. And LJ, how is a government that says I do not have a right to property or wealth, that says it can take whatever it wants from me because I live on its land by its charity, how can such a government protect me from others who would enslave me? How does a slaver protect me from slavery?

  Says the guy living off his parents.. Says the guy going to a public  university.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]There is nothing wrong with avoiding taxes. They should not be arrested for that.sSubZerOo

:roll:  Yes they should.. They are more or less leaching off the system.. Taking for all it's worth, while not paying into it..  I can't believe people actually can defend this behavior what so ever..  No one cares about their money.. It's the fact it is having a negative impact on the system which affects us all.. When you have people like this taking advantage of the system, while not paying to it.. We are leading to a system that will eventually collapse.. 

  And people wonder why we are losing American jobs.. Because we have a environment in which corporations can and will off shore everything they can with out any reprecautions, all while reaping the benefits of being within the US including the consumer base..  This should not be allowed.. If businesses still want to off shore for instance, well they can feel free to leave the United States, or pay a heavy penalty for doing so.. 

Agreed.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

If they broke the law, then they should be charged with a crime.  They decided to do business and live in America, so they should obey the laws

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No they should not. Looters do not have a right to establish a legal monopoly over an entire country. Looter government are not legitimate. And LJ, how is a government that says I do not have a right to property or wealth, that says it can take whatever it wants from me because I live on its land by its charity, how can such a government protect me from others who would enslave me? How does a slaver protect me from slavery?

WTF are you talking about?

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#49 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Any government that says it has a right to take what you produce simply because you produced it is a thief and its laws are not legitimate. Right and wrong are objective concepts and they are not matters of perspective.Laihendi

If they broke the law, then they should be charged with a crime.  They decided to do business and live in America, so they should obey the laws

No they should not. Looters do not have a right to establish a legal monopoly over an entire country. Looter government are not legitimate. And LJ, how is a government that says I do not have a right to property or wealth, that says it can take whatever it wants from me because I live on its land by its charity, how can such a government protect me from others who would enslave me? How does a slaver protect me from slavery?

They knowingly broke the laws that they tacitly agreed to follow by being citizens of the United States.  If they don't want to pay taxes or deal with the government, they can go live somewhere else.  Or perhaps they can go start their own country , FreeTopia where they can all be libertarian dumbasses together.  And they can all higher their own private armies and claim their own territory. And then perhaps some poor people can come work on their land, and they'll call them serfs or something like that.  

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]There is nothing wrong with avoiding taxes. They should not be arrested for that.sSubZerOo

:roll:  Yes they should.. They are more or less leaching off the system.. Taking for all it's worth, while not paying into it..  I can't believe people actually can defend this behavior what so ever..  No one cares about their money.. It's the fact it is having a negative impact on the system which affects us all.. When you have people like this taking advantage of the system, while not paying to it.. We are leading to a system that will eventually collapse.. 

  And people wonder why we are losing American jobs.. Because we have a environment in which corporations can and will off shore everything they can with out any reprecautions, all while reaping the benefits of being within the US including the consumer base..  This should not be allowed.. If businesses still want to off shore for instance, well they can feel free to leave the United States, or pay a heavy penalty for doing so.. 

The wealthy are not leaches. That is an unfounded and ridiculous claim. The wealthy do not need food stamps, housing projects, medicare, medicaid, social security, public education, or almost any other government service. Those things make no difference to them because they are rich. They do not need government services and so they do not use them. They should not have to pay for those services so that other people can use them.