Ex-LAPD Cop's Alleged Serial Shootings - $1 Million Bounty if Found!

[QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]

[QUOTE="SilentFireX"] Age is an indicator of immaturity. "Justice" wasn't being measured, maturity was.

Also, did you know that most officers never fire a shot (much, much less kill anyone) while in the line of duty? I suppose not, because you've never even bothered to research that. Shake off your "anti-establishment" preconceptions and accept the fact you are supporting a violent murderer simply because he's acting against authority.

SilentFireX

Except for that the fact that age is not a sufficient indicator of immaturity when dealing with people ages 16+. When did I say justice was being measured? I simply stated that it doesn't matter what age you are as long as you support justice.

Don't be so shortsighted. I'm talking about the cop's who have "killed" people, in which I stated that they're no different than serial killers or other murders who are currently incarcerated murderers, except for the fact that they have a shiny piece of metal encased in leather(Their badge).

If you think I'm anti establishment/authority then you're severely mistaken. I simply support justice.

I advocate this man's actions in which his said actions represent justice in It's purest form. The death of the corrupt cop's families are collateral as far as I'm concerned, and even if they aren't, the family holds some of the blame for supporting a corrupt cop. If I found out my girlfriend or boyfriend was a corrupt authority figure, I would probably(Depends on the circumstances) be calling for his or her death. 

Just think about it for a second, you're an ex cop who is fighting corruption so who do you kill/target? You go after their loved one's for ransom or to send a message, and you go after cop's themselves since they knowingly serve a corrupted organisation.

I'm sorry if you don't see the logic in this.

When you can't get to the main source you kill the next best thing... Bucked20

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"] You're not arguing this dude is right in his actions are you? I honestly don't remember. You don't jump out at me like a couple others users do.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="SilentFireX"][QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]

Except for that the fact that age is not a sufficient indicator of immaturity when dealing with people ages 16+. When did I say justice was being measured? I simply stated that it doesn't matter what age you are as long as you support justice.

Don't be so shortsighted. I'm talking about the cop's who have "killed" people, in which I stated that they're no different than serial killers or other murders who are currently incarcerated murderers, except for the fact that they have a shiny piece of metal encased in leather(Their badge).

 

If you think I'm anti establishment/authority then you're severely mistaken. I simply support justice.

QuebecNationale

I advocate this man's actions in which his said actions represent justice in It's purest form. The death of the corrupt cop's families are collateral as far as I'm concerned, and even if they aren't, the family holds some of the blame for supporting a corrupt cop. If I found out my girlfriend or boyfriend was a corrupt authority figure, I would probably(Depends on the circumstances) be calling for his or her death. 

Just think about it for a second, you're an ex cop who is fighting corruption so who do you kill/target? You go after their loved one's for ransom or to send a message, and you go after cop's themselves since they knowingly serve a corrupted organisation.

I'm sorry if you don't see the logic in this.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"] I've said that I agree with his sentiments (i.e. the hatred he has for the LAPD's corruption and abuse of power), but that I don't agree with how he's acting upon them by targeting the family members of police officers and random police officers he doesn't know are corrupt or not. I've also said that targeting police officers he knows are corrupt is understandable.

BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="SilentFireX"][QUOTE="JJ_Productions"] Let me ask you something, if a so called good officer see another officer doing something corrupt and doesn't report him, what does that make the good officer?JJ_Productions

Answer me this. If an officer supposedly sees another officer kick a suspect, fails to initially report it, reports it later, then has his testimony contradicted by civilians, is fired for giving false testimony, and four years later decides to go on a rampage killing officers and their families' because they didn't believe his tale... does that make if a good officer?

[QUOTE="JJ_Productions"][QUOTE="SilentFireX"] No, it doesn't. Contrary to your belief, most officers cannot stand corruption. It makes them all look bad, and they know they are already hated enough. What you fail to realize is that none of the facts corroborate this murderer's story. In reality, all of them serve as reasons why he was rightfully terminated. A man like this has no business in any police department. SilentFireX

Answer me this. If an officer supposedly sees another officer kick a suspect, fails to initially report it, reports it later, then has his testimony contradicted by civilians, is fired for giving false testimony, and four years later decides to go on a rampage killing officers and their families' because they didn't believe his tale... does that make if a good officer?

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]When you can't get to the main source you kill the next best thing... Pirate700

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. It's not understandable for any individual to set themselves up as judge, jury, and executioner.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]When you can't get to the main source you kill the next best thing... Bucked20

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]When you can't get to the main source you kill the next best thing... Bucked20

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Is there a law that says crime must be reported?JJ_Productions

[QUOTE="SilentFireX"]

[QUOTE="JJ_Productions"] Great. Now actually answer my question this time. If a good officer sees a another officer in criminal activity and doesn't report him, what does that make the "good" officer? Would he not be in violation of the law he swore to uphold?JJ_Productions

Answer me this. If an officer supposedly sees another officer kick a suspect, fails to initially report it, reports it later, then has his testimony contradicted by civilians, is fired for giving false testimony, and four years later decides to go on a rampage killing officers and their families' because they didn't believe his tale... does that make if a good officer?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"] Just to be clear, when I say "understandable," I don't mean "worthy of empathy or sympathy." I simply mean that's it's rational/ logical. To target cops who are known to be corrupt and/ or were involved in him being fired for telling the truth is logical/ rational. They are his enemies. I'm not saying that I condone doing so (there are alternate, peaceful ways of getting back at his enemies), but neither am I saying it's wrong. However, I do think it's wrong to target their families and cops he does not know are corrupt or not.

BluRayHiDef

So why did the victim also complain that he was kicked? Why did the victims father report that his son was indeed kicked.LJS9502_basic

Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned home on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy" and his son responded that he was kicked twice by a police officer.

[QUOTE="SilentFireX"]

[QUOTE="JJ_Productions"] Great. Now actually answer my question this time. If a good officer sees a another officer in criminal activity and doesn't report him, what does that make the "good" officer? Would he not be in violation of the law he swore to uphold?JJ_Productions

Answer me this. If an officer supposedly sees another officer kick a suspect, fails to initially report it, reports it later, then has his testimony contradicted by civilians, is fired for giving false testimony, and four years later decides to go on a rampage killing officers and their families' because they didn't believe his tale... does that make if a good officer?

Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned home on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy" and his son responded that he was kicked twice by a police officer.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="JJ_Productions"][QUOTE="SilentFireX"] You keep failing to acknowledge the most important part of the story. ALL THE FACTS POINT TOWARDS HIS FALSE TESTIMONY. He was lying, and civilian eye-witnesses refuted his delayed testimony.

Answer me this. If an officer supposedly sees another officer kick a suspect, fails to initially report it, reports it later, then has his testimony contradicted by civilians, is fired for giving false testimony, and four years later decides to go on a rampage killing officers and their families' because they didn't believe his tale... does that make if a good officer?

SilentFireX

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Please elaborate on how Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence were "harboring a criminal."PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Just putting it out there.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]

[QUOTE="SilentFireX"] No, you don't. You advocate this man's actions, and he has clearly stated that he seeks to murder the families of officers, as well as officers who had nothing to do with the corruption he claimed... which he has since followed through with. They had nothing to do with any of it, and yet, you deem their murders "justice"? You cannot honestly tell me that you believe that.LJS9502_basic

I advocate this man's actions in which his said actions represent justice in It's purest form. The death of the corrupt cop's families are collateral as far as I'm concerned, and even if they aren't, the family holds some of the blame for supporting a corrupt cop. If I found out my girlfriend or boyfriend was a corrupt authority figure, I would probably(Depends on the circumstances) be calling for his or her death. 

Just think about it for a second, you're an ex cop who is fighting corruption so who do you kill/target? You go after their loved one's for ransom or to send a message, and you go after cop's themselves since they knowingly serve a corrupted organisation.

I'm sorry if you don't see the logic in this.

It's not my fault you lack the necessary skills to comprehend logic and common sense. You're basically trying to combine morality, ethics and governing law into one broad statement. Ok, so if the ex cop doesn't have the right to bring justice to corrupt cop's then why do judges have the right to sentence a person and take their life? Because they have a piece of paper or a shiny badge with them? :lol:

It's not psychopathy if you support justice.

Wouldn't surprsie me if he kills himself

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]

I advocate this man's actions in which his said actions represent justice in It's purest form. The death of the corrupt cop's families are collateral as far as I'm concerned, and even if they aren't, the family holds some of the blame for supporting a corrupt cop. If I found out my girlfriend or boyfriend was a corrupt authority figure, I would probably(Depends on the circumstances) be calling for his or her death. 

Just think about it for a second, you're an ex cop who is fighting corruption so who do you kill/target? You go after their loved one's for ransom or to send a message, and you go after cop's themselves since they knowingly serve a corrupted organisation.

 

I'm sorry if you don't see the logic in this.

QuebecNationale

It's not my fault you lack the necessary skills to comprehend logic and common sense. You're basically trying to combine morality, ethics and governing law into one broad statement. Ok, so if the ex cop doesn't have the right to bring justice to corrupt cop's then why do judges have the right to sentence a person and take their life? Because they have a piece of paper or a shiny badge with them? :lol:

It's not psychopathy if you support justice.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned home on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy" and his son responded that he was kicked twice by a police officer.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned home on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy" and his son responded that he was kicked twice by a police officer.Nibroc420

:lol:

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Just putting it out there.LJS9502_basic

No. This is actually about the law. So unless you can show me a law that allows individuals to judge and execute people....you're talking out of your ass. So...where is this law in your make believe world?LJS9502_basic

Welcome to the real world...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-newspaper-carrier-icu-shot-by-police.html

The officers riddled the women's blue pickup with bullets in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue. Carranza was also hit, according to attorney Glen T. Jonas, and received stitches to a finger.

"The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man," Jonas said.

Jonas said the women's vehicle was also "the wrong color and the wrong model" compared to Dorner's.

So LJS, WHERE IS that law that states someone can determine guilt and execute someone on the spot?

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No. It's not right for any individual to decide to take the laws into their hands. If he has so much evidence of corruption....there are many NON VIOLENT means to bring it to light. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Logic? There is no logic in this. No one person has the right to decides who is guilty. No one person has the right to take another life. It's disgusting that you think this is fine. It smacks of psychopathy.....LJS9502_basic

It's not my fault you lack the necessary skills to comprehend logic and common sense. You're basically trying to combine morality, ethics and governing law into one broad statement. Ok, so if the ex cop doesn't have the right to bring justice to corrupt cop's then why do judges have the right to sentence a person and take their life? Because they have a piece of paper or a shiny badge with them? :lol:

It's not psychopathy if you support justice.

Again, you ignore blatant facts that are right infront of your eyes. Judges are sworn in by law which allows them to sentence(Decide who is guilty) and kill people, so in essence, the law grants these judges the ability to kill and determine guilt without following proper trials and procedures.

Nice try LJ but you can't argue against facts and common sense.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]You are never going to answer this, are you?PannicAtack

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]

 

It's not my fault you lack the necessary skills to comprehend logic and common sense. You're basically trying to combine morality, ethics and governing law into one broad statement. Ok, so if the ex cop doesn't have the right to bring justice to corrupt cop's then why do judges have the right to sentence a person and take their life? Because they have a piece of paper or a shiny badge with them? :lol:

It's not psychopathy if you support justice.

QuebecNationale

Again, you ignore blatant facts that are right infront of your eyes. Judges are sworn in by law which allows them to sentence(Decide who is guilty) and kill people, so in essence, the law grants these judges the ability to kill and determine guilt without following proper trials and procedures.

Nice try LJ but you can't argue against facts and common sense.

But you just like a moron.LJS9502_basic

You've failed to understand. I never said that law wasn't based on morality; in fact, I said the two were related (though not identical). There can be cases in which the law is immoral (consider the sexist and racist laws of the past). There can also be cases in which the law is inadequate in exacting true justice, which is the case of the story we're discussing now; Dorner tried to expose the corruption in the LAPD using legal means, but they failed him, hence his war against the LAPD. In other words, the law failed to coincide with morality in this case, so Dorner has taken morality (not the law) into his own hands. Yes, it is illegal to murder, but it is not necessarily immoral to do so. I argue that murdering those who abuse power, commit injustice, and silence the truth is not immoral (though illegal). 

BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] But you just like a moron.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No. This is actually about the law. So unless you can show me a law that allows individuals to judge and execute people....you're talking out of your ass. So...where is this law in your make believe world?LJS9502_basic

Again, you ignore blatant facts that are right infront of your eyes. Judges are sworn in by law which allows them to sentence(Decide who is guilty) and kill people, so in essence, the law grants these judges the ability to kill and determine guilt without following proper trials and procedures.

Nice try LJ but you can't argue against facts and common sense.

Except the Judge doesn't actually have to pay attention to the trial and they alone determine if the person is guilty; hardly a fair system if you support justice. Actually, I can compare a normal person to a judge because as I stated before, the ONLY difference is one of them has a paper signed by a corrupt organisation while the other person does not, they're both normal people in essence but a piece of paper somehow grants one person immunity.

What about the US sentencing US citizens to death without a trial? Did you forget about that whole incident? Of course not, you simply ignore facts that don't suit your agenda.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

You've failed to understand. I never said that law wasn't based on morality; in fact, I said the two were related (though not identical). There can be cases in which the law is immoral (consider the sexist and racist laws of the past). There can also be cases in which the law is inadequate in exacting true justice, which is the case of the story we're discussing now; Dorner tried to expose the corruption in the LAPD using legal means, but they failed him, hence his war against the LAPD. In other words, the law failed to coincide with morality in this case, so Dorner has taken morality (not the law) into his own hands. Yes, it is illegal to murder, but it is not necessarily immoral to do so. I argue that murdering those who abuse power, commit injustice, and silence the truth is not immoral (though illegal). 

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]

Again, you ignore blatant facts that are right infront of your eyes. Judges are sworn in by law which allows them to sentence(Decide who is guilty) and kill people, so in essence, the law grants these judges the ability to kill and determine guilt without following proper trials and procedures.

Nice try LJ but you can't argue against facts and common sense.

QuebecNationale

Except the Judge doesn't actually have to pay attention to the trial and they alone determine if the person is guilty; hardly a fair system if you support justice. Actually, I can compare a normal person to a judge because as I stated before, the ONLY difference is one of them has a paper signed by a corrupt organisation while the other person does not, they're both normal people in essence but a piece of paper somehow grants one person immunity.

What about the US sentencing US citizens to death without a trial? Did you forget about that whole incident? Of course not, you simply ignore facts that don't suit your agenda.

They are convinced that all officers are dirty and deserve death SilentFireX