Dude pulls into wrong driveway by mistake, home owner shoots and kills him

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#51 Posted by TheTolemac (94 posts) -
Religon of pe... oh wait.... ban guns!ujjval16
Assuming all americans are Christian?
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#52 Posted by LJS9502_basic (163251 posts) -

Since I don't want to make a new thread for this question but why do gun owners defend their property if it actually was a home invasion? By property I mean stuff like TV, video game systems, jewelery, etc. Stuff that you (should) have insurance on and are easily replaced. Is it worth risking you and your loved one's lives in danger?

Aljosa23
They consider that they are also protecting the family....some home invasions end in death.
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#53 Posted by LJS9502_basic (163251 posts) -
[QUOTE="ujjval16"]Religon of pe... oh wait.... ban guns!TheTolemac
Assuming all americans are Christian?

You are lost....:lol:
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#54 Posted by sonicare (56017 posts) -

The majority of gun related deaths deal with domestic or gang related crime. These cases while sad and sensational, don't really deal with the bigger problem.

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#55 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Since I don't want to make a new thread for this question but why do gun owners defend their property if it actually was a home invasion? By property I mean stuff like TV, video game systems, jewelery, etc. Stuff that you (should) have insurance on and are easily replaced. Is it worth risking you and your loved one's lives in danger?

LJS9502_basic

They consider that they are also protecting the family....some home invasions end in death.

I guess that's true. But if it was me I'd be hiding somewhere and calling 911 lol.

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#56 Posted by whipassmt (15375 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Since I don't want to make a new thread for this question but why do gun owners defend their property if it actually was a home invasion? By property I mean stuff like TV, video game systems, jewelery, etc. Stuff that you (should) have insurance on and are easily replaced. Is it worth risking you and your loved one's lives in danger?

Aljosa23

They consider that they are also protecting the family....some home invasions end in death.

I guess that's true. But if it was me I'd be hiding somewhere and calling 911 lol.

But then again, it might take the cops a while to get to your crib.

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#57 Posted by killyou060606 (27091 posts) -
rip dude
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#58 Posted by Nuck81 (6983 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They consider that they are also protecting the family....some home invasions end in death.whipassmt

I guess that's true. But if it was me I'd be hiding somewhere and calling 911 lol.

But then again, it might take the cops a while to get to your crib.

The only answer is obviously more guns. If all the people in the car had guns to protect themselves than maybe the shooter would be dead too. The Right to Bear Arms!!
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#59 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They consider that they are also protecting the family....some home invasions end in death.whipassmt

I guess that's true. But if it was me I'd be hiding somewhere and calling 911 lol.

But then again, it might take the cops a while to get to your crib.

Sure but I'll still be safe in the closet. I don't care if they steal material objects enough to risk my life.

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#60 Posted by shellcase86 (3734 posts) -

Why does this always happen with old people in the south? Are they that parinoid?

Wasdie

They just are, bro.

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#61 Posted by Namgis (3592 posts) -

]Sure but I'll still be safe in the closet. I don't care if they steal material objects enough to risk my life.

Aljosa23

And if they have a taste for murder?

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#62 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

]Sure but I'll still be safe in the closet. I don't care if they steal material objects enough to risk my life.

Namgis

And if they have a taste for murder?

That would be an extraordinary circumstance. No burgular is dumb enough to try and commit murder AFTER they got what they wanted.

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#63 Posted by Namgis (3592 posts) -

[QUOTE="Namgis"]

And if they have a taste for murder?

Aljosa23

That would be an extraordinary circumstance. No burgular is dumb enough to try and commit murder AFTER they got what they wanted.

And no burglar is dumb enough to break into an occupied home.

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#64 Posted by tocool340 (21205 posts) -
Almost wish it was a close relative he shot so he can really feel bad about his actions like one trigger happy old dude shot and killed his own son...
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#65 Posted by comp_atkins (34789 posts) -

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I highly doubt a man pulling into the wrong driveway would have died if this idiot didnt have a gun on him. What would he do, throw a knife through the windshield?

double_decker

If he had... you probably would blame the knife and then I'd have to cut my steak with a damn fork :|

don't be stupid. you'd use a spoon

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#66 Posted by double_decker (146040 posts) -

don't be stupid. you'd use a spoon

comp_atkins
Maybe I'd be spiteful and use a spork :P
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#67 Posted by comp_atkins (34789 posts) -

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

don't be stupid. you'd use a spoon

double_decker

Maybe I'd be spiteful and use a spork :P

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#68 Posted by double_decker (146040 posts) -

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You sir... have an awesome mustache :|
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#69 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="double_decker"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I highly doubt a man pulling into the wrong driveway would have died if this idiot didnt have a gun on him. What would he do, throw a knife through the windshield?

comp_atkins

If he had... you probably would blame the knife and then I'd have to cut my steak with a damn fork :|

don't be stupid. you'd use a spoon

Hey now, this is getting kinky in here

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#70 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
So he shot him as he was driving away. Wow. If I'm ever in the south I will think twice about using someones drive way to turn around in.
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#71 Posted by Rich3232 (2628 posts) -
moar guns!
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#72 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
So what happens if I have to knock on someone's door to call the police because I my car broke down the road? People sure are getting antsy quite easily now-uh-days.
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#73 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

moar guns! Rich3232

We need to legalize missile defense systems.

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#74 Posted by Legend002 (13386 posts) -

RIP Diaz

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#75 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30643 posts) -

So what happens if I have to knock on someone's door to call the police because I my car broke down the road? People sure are getting antsy quite easily now-uh-days.Fightingfan
Seems like fear is a central aspect of gun culture. Whether it be fear of the government, fear of strangers, etc.

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#76 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So what happens if I have to knock on someone's door to call the police because I my car broke down the road? People sure are getting antsy quite easily now-uh-days.Aljosa23

Seems like fear is a central aspect of gun culture. Whether it be fear of the government, fear of strangers, etc.

*doorbell rings*

*door doesn't open*

*door carved open by hail of bullets*

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#77 Posted by BossPerson (9177 posts) -
old people whattayagonnado?
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#78 Posted by the_bi99man (11244 posts) -

There are plenty of responsbile people who are fine with owning guns. This isn't one of them.

wis3boi

Boom.

And home defense is one of the perfectly reasonable and responsible uses for a gun. But, in this case, assuming it actually happened the way it was described here, the guy was clearly paranoid and crazy, and waaaaaaaaaaay overreacted. I mean, at this point, even coming out of the house with the gun was already an overreaction. Shooting into the air? Even more of an overreaction. Shooting AT THE CAR, as they STARTED TO DRIVE AWAY? Guy's batsh!t insane, and is one of the people who SHOULDN'T have a gun.

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#79 Posted by GhettoBlastin92 (1231 posts) -
Trigger happy people, got to love them. WTF is wrong with people.
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#80 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

There are plenty of responsbile people who are fine with owning guns. This isn't one of them.

the_bi99man

Boom.

And home defense is one of the perfectly reasonable and responsible uses for a gun. But, in this case, assuming it actually happened the way it was described here, the guy was clearly paranoid and crazy, and waaaaaaaaaaay overreacted. I mean, at this point, even coming out of the house with the gun was already an overreaction. Shooting into the air? Even more of an overreaction. Shooting AT THE CAR, as they STARTED TO DRIVE AWAY? Guy's batsh!t insane, and is one of the people who SHOULDN'T have a gun.

Same goes for old folks and cars. They should be checked and re-checked and evaluated more often past a certain age, perhaps.

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#81 Posted by the_bi99man (11244 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So what happens if I have to knock on someone's door to call the police because I my car broke down the road? People sure are getting antsy quite easily now-uh-days.Aljosa23

Seems like fear is a central aspect of gun culture. Whether it be fear of the government, fear of strangers, etc.

Some people just go way overboard with it. I used to live in a really nasty, ghetto part of town, and I had a loaded gun in the house at all times. I still wasn't shooting the door every time there was an unexpected knock. Worst case scenario, like if there was a knock, and no one aswered when I yelled "who is it?", I'd take a peek out the window, if it was someone shady looking (or no one at all), I'd just make sure my gun was within reach, and wait. The only time it ever went any farther than that, this guy knocked extremely hard like 10 times, then started trying to turn the knob (it was locked), then he started tapping on the window by the door. So I opened the door, with my .45 colt revolver in my hand, but out of view of the doorway. The guy started saying something incoherently (he was a meth addict. I've seen more than enough to recognize it), so I told him he had 5 seconds to get out my sight. He started saying something else, so I brought out the gun, cocked it, and started counting down from 5. He was gone by the time I hit 2.

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#82 Posted by the_bi99man (11244 posts) -

[QUOTE="Namgis"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

]Sure but I'll still be safe in the closet. I don't care if they steal material objects enough to risk my life.

Aljosa23

And if they have a taste for murder?

That would be an extraordinary circumstance. No burgular is dumb enough to try and commit murder AFTER they got what they wanted.

that actually happens alot. Burglars break into a house they thought was empty, take a bunch of sh!t, then, on their way out, they hear someone. Fearing the idea of witnesses, they go on a hunt.

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#83 Posted by lowkey254 (5965 posts) -

That's a terrible situation. I hope they charge him the maximum amount of charges possible.

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#84 Posted by Laihendi (5876 posts) -
That guy is an idiot and a murderer but that still doesn't invalidate my right to defend myself.
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#85 Posted by Optical_Order (5100 posts) -

Well, he's going to be even more paranoid in jail now.

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#86 Posted by Bucked20 (6651 posts) -

[QUOTE="Namgis"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

]Sure but I'll still be safe in the closet. I don't care if they steal material objects enough to risk my life.

Aljosa23

And if they have a taste for murder?

That would be an extraordinary circumstance. No burgular is dumb enough to try and commit murder AFTER they got what they wanted.

I remember 1st day of 06 someone did exactly what you said,robbed the house and killed the whole family,then they did the same thing to another family a few days later
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#87 Posted by Primordialous (1313 posts) -

Obviously race-related.

Necrifer

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#88 Posted by Goyoshi12 (9687 posts) -

[QUOTE="Namgis"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

]Sure but I'll still be safe in the closet. I don't care if they steal material objects enough to risk my life.

Aljosa23

And if they have a taste for murder?

That would be an extraordinary circumstance. No burgular is dumb enough to try and commit murder AFTER they got what they wanted.

Have you SEEN America, lately?

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#89 Posted by thegerg (18425 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So what happens if I have to knock on someone's door to call the police because I my car broke down the road? People sure are getting antsy quite easily now-uh-days.Aljosa23

Seems like fear is a central aspect of gun culture. Whether it be fear of the government, fear of strangers, etc.

Hmm, I don't know anyone that owns a gun out of fear. I'm not sure that is accurate.
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#90 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So what happens if I have to knock on someone's door to call the police because I my car broke down the road? People sure are getting antsy quite easily now-uh-days.thegerg

Seems like fear is a central aspect of gun culture. Whether it be fear of the government, fear of strangers, etc.

Hmm, I don't know anyone that owns a gun out of fear. I'm not sure that is accurate.

That's a cool anedcote, please tell me more.

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#91 Posted by thegerg (18425 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Seems like fear is a central aspect of gun culture. Whether it be fear of the government, fear of strangers, etc.

Aljosa23

Hmm, I don't know anyone that owns a gun out of fear. I'm not sure that is accurate.

That's a cool anedcote, please tell me more.

It's cooler than your's.
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#92 Posted by PernicioEnigma (5895 posts) -
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Another life needlessly lost.

Why are trigger happy people allowed to use weapons again?

double_decker
Because if not they'd just find other ways to kill, people have been doing that since the beginning of time.

Perhaps, but why make it easier for them?
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#93 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Hmm, I don't know anyone that owns a gun out of fear. I'm not sure that is accurate.thegerg

That's a cool anedcote, please tell me more.

It's cooler than your's.

I never said it was I said it seems like it. From all the news reports and media trying to stir up fear to Alex Jones saying guns are needed to protect from the tyranny of the government and so on.

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#94 Posted by thegerg (18425 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]That's a cool anedcote, please tell me more.

Aljosa23

It's cooler than your's.

I never said it was I said it seems like it. From all the news reports and media trying to stir up fear to Alex Jones saying guns are needed to protect from the tyranny of the government and so on.

I never said that you said it was. Owning a gun for protection (be it from a break-in or from the state) is about preparedness, not fear.
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#95 Posted by the_bi99man (11244 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]That's a cool anedcote, please tell me more.

Aljosa23

It's cooler than your's.

I never said it was I said it seems like it. From all the news reports and media trying to stir up fear to Alex Jones saying guns are needed to protect from the tyranny of the government and so on.

You're not going to get an objective view of any subject if all you know of it is what the media portrays. As someone else just said, it's preparedness, not fear. Although there certainly are some who do it out of fear, and they're doing it wrong.

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#96 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] It's cooler than your's.thegerg

I never said it was I said it seems like it. From all the news reports and media trying to stir up fear to Alex Jones saying guns are needed to protect from the tyranny of the government and so on.

I never said that you said it was. Owning a gun for protection (be it from a break-in or from the state) is about preparedness, not fear.

What do you mean "from the state"?

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#97 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] It's cooler than your's.the_bi99man

I never said it was I said it seems like it. From all the news reports and media trying to stir up fear to Alex Jones saying guns are needed to protect from the tyranny of the government and so on.

You're not going to get an objective view of any subject if all you know of it is what the media portrays. As someone else just said, it's preparedness, not fear. Although there certainly are some who do it out of fear, and they're doing it wrong.

Yeah, I know. I live in Canada and we have no gun culture so it's hard to get an idea on how it really is.

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#98 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] It's cooler than your's.the_bi99man

I never said it was I said it seems like it. From all the news reports and media trying to stir up fear to Alex Jones saying guns are needed to protect from the tyranny of the government and so on.

You're not going to get an objective view of any subject if all you know of it is what the media portrays. As someone else just said, it's preparedness, not fear. Although there certainly are some who do it out of fear, and they're doing it wrong.

Why do they feel the need to be prepared? People prepare out of fear of the uncertain and fear has always been the emotion to drive preparedness. Fear isn't a bad thing as being prepared isn't bad but to say fear is not an aspect of this is a clear misunderstanding of motive.
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#99 Posted by thegerg (18425 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]I never said it was I said it seems like it. From all the news reports and media trying to stir up fear to Alex Jones saying guns are needed to protect from the tyranny of the government and so on.

Aljosa23

I never said that you said it was. Owning a gun for protection (be it from a break-in or from the state) is about preparedness, not fear.

What do you mean "from the state"?

I'm referencing the reason for gun ownership you mentioned in your post.
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#100 Posted by kingkong0124 (8329 posts) -

kk.