He's whatever he needs to be in order to exploit and destroy the gullible masses. I grew up in churches, and I know the magician's patter, and I know the speech of a con man. He's like a character from A Pardoner's Tale. "You saps keep the faith, we'll keep all the money." Rightly are the simple called so...........
Republicans: "We need a principled conservative Republican who can bring decency to the White House"
*Overwhelmingly supports Trump*
???
Profit!
Donald Trump is the worst type of populism that appeals to the racism and ignorance of Republicans. The Republicans don't want a principled conservative or even a libertarian, they want a candidate that is a pseudo fascist who won't bring more freedom to them but less. Except for guns because that's what matters the most.
Seriously, **** the Republicans. The Democrats may have their hypocritical moments but they're not as bad.
Just because Drumpf doesnt fall under the US right wing policies like a glove doesnt mean he is more right leaning than left leaning.
On a side note, I seriously dislike the conservative-liberal spectrum
First and foremost, it is an incredibly simplistic way to measure political ideology. Second left and right wing scales depend on the country. Donald Trump would definately be a liberal in Saudi Arabia, but would be kinda conservative in a country such as Norway. Third, it brings in the whole identity politics nonsense.
Trump may not be strictly conservative ideologically. but he's not a liberal. At RedState.com, they're calling him a liberal, and I just have to roll my eyes. Conservatives are always trying to dump their garbage on liberals.
So there is a group of conservatives, and liberals that identify as "Never Trump". They are currently looking for someone, anyone, who can stop Donald Trump, and they are running out of choices. I wonder how long it will be before they only have Hillary to look to.
So there is a group of conservatives, and liberals that identify as "Never Trump". They are currently looking for someone, anyone, who can stop Donald Trump, and they are running out of choices. I wonder how long it will be before they only have Hillary to look to.
Open borders but strict gun control? How do you think that's going to work out?
Pandering to hate groups such as BLM?
Full blown socialism ?
No thanks!
No liberals running are calling for open borders. They just aren't chanting build a wall and pretending that it is even possible to deport 11 million undocumented people. Obama has deported more than any president in history. Trump is drawing on his supporters hatred for illegal immigrants but wont do anything different than a liberal would. As far as gun control, did Obama take your guns? You are being fed paranoia by people who make money selling guns.
Trump is pandering to the white supremacists, you don't think that's better do you?
Full blown Socialism? Democratic socialism in Bernie's case and full blown capitalism in Hillary's case.
It's clear that your mind is closed on this. Open it up to all the ideas around you, look at them objectively and quit letting AM radio influence you so much.
He's liberal how? Because there's racist liberals that support support a border wall makes him liberal? Weak sauce argument. His platform would never fly with a liberal base. His hatred for Muslims would never fly with a liberal base. It's his hatred of Mexicans and Muslims that has Republican yokels riding his dick. He's totally appealing to the racist, xenophobic base of conservatives. His platform for economic growth is to simply say we're going to be great and tremendous again. That it's gonna be so great so fast your heads will explode. You'll cum so hard it'll skeet like a double barreled sawed off. You want the deets of how he'll accomplish this? Sorry, but he can't go into detail or that will give the enemies of America an advantage to combat his agenda.
@lamprey263: Trump understands no ideology whatsoever. And he can't be bothered to learn. His racist comments has the right wing all excited. Nothing about him really gets the left excited but he has supported single payer health care, progressive income tax, gay rights and is in favor of a ban on assault weapons. Red neck right wingers don't understand ideology either. They understand "build a wall" get those Mexicans out of Murica! Conservatives hate him too and vote for Cruz. Talk show radio hosts are conmen just like him and love him, good for ratings.
@mark1974: Really? Because last time I checked they want to allow millions of Syrian refugees over with absolutely no background checks. They also wanted to legalize every illegal immigrant... as Obama stated in his state of the Union address. Has Obama took our guns? No because he has a Senate that constantly shoots him down when he tries. He has called for the ban of assault rifles which would be just the beginning. Bernie has said he wants to ban every gun unless it's for hunting. So no it's not paranoia it's the fact they have conservatives standing in there way everytime they try.
You want to talk about opening your mind? The liberal media has painted Donald Trump as a Nazi.
He has said nothing that's racist. He said Mexico is sending rapist and murders to the United States. Somehow the media has twisted that around to say he said all Mexicans are criminals. Those statements are not one and the same and the sad thing is what he said was true. Look up Los Zetas and MS13 and ask yourself how the **** are they in the US now? Do we send all our criminals to Canada? No.. so why should we take Mexico's? It has nothing to do with racism but the left can't wait to put that shirt on someone. And his hatred for Muslim's that everybody claims? I'm sorry but anyone who's not a blind idiot can look at what's happened in Europe and see its not working to well. I ask you to get off your white guilt trip and open your eyes.
Open borders but strict gun control? How do you think that's going to work out?
Pandering to hate groups such as BLM?
Full blown socialism ?
No thanks!
Tell me, what is socialism, to you? What are it's hallmarks? How are many on the left in power calling for socialist policies? Please, explain anything. And while you are at it, explain to me how Syrian refugees have no background checks, when has he said he wants to "legalize" all illegal immigrants?
And Donald Trump said Mexico is sending us the filth from their side, he then added a caveat that maybe some of them are good people. Notice the language, he is of course insisting that the majority of people from Mexico are criminals. And it's hilarious how you mention The Zetas and MS13, two gangs from countries our country destroyed economically, leading to mass levels of crime in those countries. I agree with you obliquely on the Muslim issue, but Trump's view is absurd as it is bigoted. Islam is the reason Islamic terrorism happens, and no amount of side stepping the issue can assuage the fact that it is. However, banning all the people of a religion is absurd as it is morally reprehensible.
We don't need a war against Muslims, which will be waged with weapons. We need a war of ideas, against Islam or any other religion that would try to drag us back into the past. fought with better ideas.
Or we could ignore all nuance like Trump, and make ourselves to sound like buffoons.......
The democrats are far worse. They actually play the race card.
Here's what Hilary said in Texas:
"“And we have a responsibility to say clearly and directly what’s really going on in our country—because what is happening is a sweeping effort to dis empower and disenfranchise people of color…. Now some of you may have heard me or my husband say one of our favorite sayings from Arkansas, of course I learned it from him. “You find a turtle on a fence post, it did not get there on its own.” Well, all of these problems with voting did not just happen by accident…. So today, Republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop millions of American citizens from voting. What part of democracy are they afraid of?"
The democrats are far worse. They actually play the race card.
Here's what Hilary said in Texas:
"“And we have a responsibility to say clearly and directly what’s really going on in our country—because what is happening is a sweeping effort to dis empower and disenfranchise people of color…. Now some of you may have heard me or my husband say one of our favorite sayings from Arkansas, of course I learned it from him. “You find a turtle on a fence post, it did not get there on its own.” Well, all of these problems with voting did not just happen by accident…. So today, Republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop millions of American citizens from voting. What part of democracy are they afraid of?"
Okkkk
What she's saying there is completely true. But I guess naive people like you think Republicans are all sunshine and rainbows and would never do that. Never mind the fact that the electoral map looks the way it does because Republicans pursued a racist strategy back in the day called "The Southern Strategy."
The democrats are far worse. They actually play the race card.
Here's what Hilary said in Texas:
"“And we have a responsibility to say clearly and directly what’s really going on in our country—because what is happening is a sweeping effort to dis empower and disenfranchise people of color…. Now some of you may have heard me or my husband say one of our favorite sayings from Arkansas, of course I learned it from him. “You find a turtle on a fence post, it did not get there on its own.” Well, all of these problems with voting did not just happen by accident…. So today, Republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop millions of American citizens from voting. What part of democracy are they afraid of?"
Okkkk
What she's saying there is completely true. But I guess naive people like you think Republicans are all sunshine and rainbows and would never do that.
Yeah, those two statements are accurate. Statements by Republican operatives have indicated as such.
The democrats are far worse. They actually play the race card.
Here's what Hilary said in Texas:
"“And we have a responsibility to say clearly and directly what’s really going on in our country—because what is happening is a sweeping effort to dis empower and disenfranchise people of color…. Now some of you may have heard me or my husband say one of our favorite sayings from Arkansas, of course I learned it from him. “You find a turtle on a fence post, it did not get there on its own.” Well, all of these problems with voting did not just happen by accident…. So today, Republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop millions of American citizens from voting. What part of democracy are they afraid of?"
Okkkk
What she's saying there is completely true. But I guess naive people like you think Republicans are all sunshine and rainbows and would never do that.
Hilary was referring to the voter ID law.. which 51% of black voters SUPPORT.
@hillelslovak: What is socialism to me? It's the responsibility to pay for programs and services that have no benefit to me. I'm sorry but I graduated from college I have no desire to pay for the rest of the country's education or the year long vacation for a mother to spend with her newborn. Yes, those may be noble causes but it shouldn't be the responsibility of the tax payers. You want to pay for people's education? Give tax breaks to corporations in exchange for scholarships. You want child leave for new mothers? Let the company's they work for pay for it. Health insurance for everyone? No, sorry health insurance isn't a right it's a privilege. And Obamacare is broken from the core. A government paid healthcare system with no regulations on the medical industry( which is one of the biggest scams in corporate America). Take a look at a hospital bill and you will understand. They should have focused on a complete reform of the medical industry before trying to pass Obamacare. Who in power has socialist tendencies? Obama, Hillary and Bernie would be the first three that come to mind.
As for his comments on Mexico he was speaking of those who come over here illegally not the Mexican people as a whole. I mention Los Zetas and MS13 and the first thing you do is blame it on the US. I'm sorry but it's not our fault they can't come up with a better product to ship outside of cocaine and Heroine. That's a simple solution from the left .. blame America or better yet white America. Mexico is just as responsible for wrecking our country if not more so.. so blaming the US doesn't cut it.
As for Muslim's should we ban all of them from the US? No .. but I do feel any from hostile countries should be banned.. such as those from Pakistan, Iraq , Iran and Syria. Any people caught visiting those countries of the Muslim faith should also be banned. That may sound extreme but those who support ISIS don't want a reasonable discussion they want Sharia law across the world. It's time for people to realize that.
@hillelslovak: What is socialism to me? It's the responsibility to pay for programs and services that have no benefit to me. I'm sorry but I graduated from college I have no desire to pay for the rest of the country's education or the year long vacation for a mother to spend with her newborn. Yes, those may be noble causes but it shouldn't be the responsibility of the tax payers. You want to pay for people's education? Give tax breaks to corporations in exchange for scholarships. You want child leave for new mothers? Let the company's they work for pay for it. Health insurance for everyone? No, sorry health insurance isn't a right it's a privilege. And Obamacare is broken from the core. A government paid healthcare system with no regulations on the medical industry( which is one of the biggest scams in corporate America). Take a look at a hospital bill and you will understand. They should have focused on a complete reform of the medical industry before trying to pass Obamacare. Who in power has socialist tendencies? Obama, Hillary and Bernie would be the first three that come to mind.
As for his comments on Mexico he was speaking of those who come over here illegally not the Mexican people as a whole. I mention Los Zetas and MS13 and the first thing you do is blame it on the US. I'm sorry but it's not our fault they can't come up with a better product to ship outside of cocaine and Heroine. That's a simple solution from the left .. blame America or better yet white America. Mexico is just as responsible for wrecking our country if not more so.. so blaming the US doesn't cut it.
As for Muslim's should we ban all of them from the US? No .. but I do feel any from hostile countries should be banned.. such as those from Pakistan, Iraq , Iran and Syria. Any people caught visiting those countries of the Muslim faith should also be banned. That may sound extreme but those who support ISIS don't want a reasonable discussion they want Sharia law across the world. It's time for people to realize that.
Everyone's taxes go towards things they themselves might not like. You seem to just want free reign to be an asshole and watch everyone else who can slip through the cracks do just that. Your trust in the benevolent nature of corporations is naive and makes you sound like a moron to be honest. And yeah, since the Affordable Care Act went into effect, prices for my meds have gone down considerably. You seem to like being spoon fed an idea of what socialism is, and how it works. You seem to want corporations to have the power to dictate anything and everything involved money. We have been doing this since the days of Ronald Reagan, and it has not worked.
The US government, and US corporations went country by country in central and south america, and through hook or crook, privatized any product that these countries made, and offshored all the profits, the fruits of the labor these people themselves went through. US banks forced massive loans along with absurd refinancing to these countries, and threatened them if they did not sign onto these economic rape policies. We killed quite a few democratically elected leaders in southern and central america. We promised them unified standards of infrastructure, water, electricity, etc from our corporations, who then provided little to nothing. That is why these countries. Me made them poor. Do you honestly not see a line of reasoning here?
And yeah, your lack of empathy is startling. You know who is hurt most by Islam? Muslims. So if Isis is killing people in Iraq, and non militants then flee from Iraq, your answer is "No, they are from Iraq, we cant let people from Iraq come here!"
Jesus Christ, stop being so me centered. You do realize its feasible to pay for everyone's education, healthcare, maternity leave etc? But the leaders who echo sentiments like yours refuse to cut the absurd amount of fat from their precious defense programs (much of which goes into PRIVATE paramilitary contractor's pockets), and taxing the super rich and corporations at the levels before Ronald Reagan.
What's a nom? Omg I was thinking omnom and was thinking about things biting him or him eating something. Maybe eating the dust? But you mean nomination. -__-;
@hillelslovak: let me break it down for you since you seem to have a hard time understanding. I don't have a trust in the corporations I'm simply saying the government can give these corporations incentives to support these programs. You seem like a poor bum begging for a handout and it's pitiful. I don't want to rely on the government for anything. I also don't feel like paying for millienials under water basket weaving degrees and whatever other worthless bullshit they want to study.
And we didn't make these countries poor.. they have been shitholes for all eternity and have continued to fail. Is it our job to build there infrastructure? Really? Do you know much money we sink into these countries only to find its never enough? When a druglord is the second richest man in the country next to a oil tycoon that should tell you something. Are we stopping them from creating anything of value? No they just never do it.
And yes most crime is like for like and Muslim's are no exception. But are you honestly naive enough to want to allow all of them over here? What would be your solution then? As opposed to just saying I'm selfish what would you do?
@hillelslovak Well said, I agree with everything you said, in both your posts.
Especially the bit with the war of ideas instead of wars with weapons. Bombing the families of ISIS, what Trump supports, will only prove ISIS right with their Crusader Rethoric. We dont need self fulfilling prophecies. Instead challenging the ideologies, especially the Salafi and Wahhabi movements that are polluting Islam would do them and us much greater favors.
@AM-Gamer said:
@drunk_pi: There not as bad?
There far worse.
Open borders but strict gun control? How do you think that's going to work out?
Pandering to hate groups such as BLM?
Full blown socialism ?
No thanks!
First of all, you are using socialism as a snarl word. Perhaps you should know what socialism is before accusing either Hillary or Sanders of doing it (because neither are doing it).
@AM-Gamer said:
@hillelslovak: What is socialism to me? It's the responsibility to pay for programs and services that have no benefit to me. I'm sorry but I graduated from college I have no desire to pay for the rest of the country's education or the year long vacation for a mother to spend with her newborn. Yes, those may be noble causes but it shouldn't be the responsibility of the tax payers. You want to pay for people's education? Give tax breaks to corporations in exchange for scholarships. You want child leave for new mothers? Let the company's they work for pay for it. Health insurance for everyone? No, sorry health insurance isn't a right it's a privilege. And Obamacare is broken from the core. A government paid healthcare system with no regulations on the medical industry( which is one of the biggest scams in corporate America). Take a look at a hospital bill and you will understand. They should have focused on a complete reform of the medical industry before trying to pass Obamacare. Who in power has socialist tendencies? Obama, Hillary and Bernie would be the first three that come to mind.
As for his comments on Mexico he was speaking of those who come over here illegally not the Mexican people as a whole. I mention Los Zetas and MS13 and the first thing you do is blame it on the US. I'm sorry but it's not our fault they can't come up with a better product to ship outside of cocaine and Heroine. That's a simple solution from the left .. blame America or better yet white America. Mexico is just as responsible for wrecking our country if not more so.. so blaming the US doesn't cut it.
As for Muslim's should we ban all of them from the US? No .. but I do feel any from hostile countries should be banned.. such as those from Pakistan, Iraq , Iran and Syria. Any people caught visiting those countries of the Muslim faith should also be banned. That may sound extreme but those who support ISIS don't want a reasonable discussion they want Sharia law across the world. It's time for people to realize that.
So what you are in favor of is things that have no evidence going for them that they would work.
Whether you like it or not, taxes will always be spent on stuff you dont support. I dont support 2 pointless wars, yet (if I was american) my tax money would have gone there. I dont support corporate welfare for corporations whose pollution from fracking and other methods contribute with result in the death of 100k americans every year, yet my money goes there. I dont support abstinance programs, yet that is where money goes as well. When spending money on things that is in fact cheaper for the country in the long run, that is money well invested.
Why would anyone be willing to pay more for less?
A full single payer tax system is signfiicantly cheaper for the country in the long run, allowing US citizens to get treatment when they fall ill, as opposed to when they can get through all the obstacles (be it the insurance companies). But dont take my workd for it, the US system is incredibly inefficient, spending more than most other countries, yet falling behind on health.
Our bans targetting people of the Muslim faith would be playing right into ISIS's hands, this is exactly what they want us to do.
I'll just say this, Donald Trump isn't ruining the Republican party, he's exposing it. I can't see you being a good person if you lean right in any manner. Especially if you're a full blown conservative.
I support single payer but maybe if Americans ate like Japanese people and didn't shoot each other up, then they'd have a Japanese level life expectancy. Medical system be damned.
@Maroxad: I know exactly what socialism is. Obamacare and paid education for everyone are socialist ideas plain and simple. You can sit there and ignore it and be under the delusion that tax dollars won't go up to pay for it.
Second of all a single payer tax system doesn't work for us. One we have far more people in our country then any country on that list. Many of those people don't pay into that system ( example illegal immigrants) but would take full advantage of the system. As I said before we have other issues that must be dealt with first.
No, allowing anyone of the Muslim faith over is exactly what they would like us to do. At least two of the terrorist from the Paris attack were Syrian refugees. The others were homegrown but had a history of traveling to countries such as Pakistan. We can't be naive and allow everyone over. I'm not saying ban all Muslim's but if they have a history of visiting those countries they shouldn't be here.
@HoolaHoopMan: Bernie and Hillary's are far worse.
lol no. Your typical Trump supporter whines about national debt but doesn't understand their candidate's tax proposals will balloon it the most. That's how dumb the typical Trump supporter is. He's not a serious candidate because he doesn't have any serious proposals or stances, they're merely latching onto his rhetoric.
@HoolaHoopMan: That's exactly how a typical Bernie supporter is. Free education for everyone..? With what he calls a incremental increase? Sure Bern the problem is leading economist say it will fail. He has proposals all of which would lead the country into further debt.
@Maroxad: I know exactly what socialism is. Obamacare and paid education for everyone are socialist ideas plain and simple. You can sit there and ignore it and be under the delusion that tax dollars won't go up to pay for it.
Second of all a single payer tax system doesn't work for us. One we have far more people in our country then any country on that list. Many of those people don't pay into that system ( example illegal immigrants) but would take full advantage of the system. As I said before we have other issues that must be dealt with first.
No, allowing anyone of the Muslim faith over is exactly what they would like us to do. At least two of the terrorist from the Paris attack were Syrian refugees. The others were homegrown but had a history of traveling to countries such as Pakistan. We can't be naive and allow everyone over. I'm not saying ban all Muslim's but if they have a history of visiting those countries they shouldn't be here.
You clearly dont, because what you described is not what socialism is.
Lol if you think that excuse you brought up is even worhty of being called a rebuttal. The quality of Universal healthcare doesnt seem to have any correlation with population. Seeing as Japan has the leads, despite having a population of over 100 million. That excuse is just thrown out by people who want to ignore reality.
No, once again you are wrong. The fact is, ISIS feeds of the 'us vs them' mentality. This quote is pretty good From the US secretary of defense himself, "anything that creates tensions and creates the notion that the United States is at odds with the Muslim faith and Islam would be counterproductive to our efforts right now" (in regards to combating ISIS).
Though I will say that we should have better quality control of who gets in. Instead of letting everyone in, we should prioritize people of merit instead of letting in total opportunists.
And while I am at it, are you even aware of how much Trump (and Cruz) would increase the debt?
Trump would increase the debt by 12 trillion. Cruz by 10 trillion
I support single payer but maybe if Americans ate like Japanese people and didn't shoot each other up, then they'd have a Japanese level life expectancy. Medical system be damned.
Lol at hte picture. :P
Anyways, while you are correct, in saying that there are more factors (especially the eating habits). It would be tragic if they could only reach the same results as Japan does. Considering how much more is spent on healthcare. Right now the current health system leads to more spending for worse results. That is why I am so heavily pro-universal healthcare. The current system in the US is a complete mess. Taking the worst aspects of both.
He has said that he does yet none of the hypocrites on this forum have ever called him a socialist. Healthcare is not their issue though, deporting Mexicans is. They think White people will rule the country again if their man Trump gets in. That's my guess.
@HoolaHoopMan: That's exactly how a typical Bernie supporter is. Free education for everyone..? With what he calls a incremental increase? Sure Bern the problem is leading economist say it will fail. He has proposals all of which would lead the country into further debt.
Nice deflection, not a Bernie supporter. But I can't imagine a low information voter like yourself can actually debate Trump's policy proposals. There's plenty I disagree with on Bernie but his proposals aren't nearly the fantasy land bullshit that Trump and the rest of the GOP put out there. Massive tax cuts with no way to pay for them, just vague 'close loop holes' rhetoric.
Your typical Bernie supporter is somewhat of an idealist, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to spend the tax dollars we already bring in on something like education, rather than keeping the bloated monster of a military industrial we have running. God forbid people want to help subsidize education for our work force rather than spend it all on bombing brown people half way across the world. But then again if we started pumping more into education and sending people to college we wouldn't have as many Trump supporters.
Whoa, 1 sec. Are you saying he's liberal because he's a liar?
But back to the article, Red Elephant Society? So a republican based source posting about liberals? I didn't have to read the article to know there's bias there. There's just skip that for the sake of argument. Let's say liberals wanted the wall, why are so many Republicans backing the wall? Because everything liberal in republicans eyes is a bad idea.
@HoolaHoopMan: Except I didn't vote for trump.. and if you did your research the least educated (those who lack even a highschool degree) are overwhelmingly democrats. Not only do I have the information but unlike you I don't fail to acknowledge it.
It's not that I love Donald Trump but the stand Bernie and Hillary have taken will cause me to vote for anyone who's against them.. if it's Trump then so be it.
To pay for everyone's African American study degrees isn't exactly what I would call improving our situation. Liberals have been the most misinformed voters this election as always as they easily latch onto race bait and base there entire belief system based off an imaginary agenda. And bombing brown people across the world? It's Hillary who wants to overthrow Assad while Trump would rather let Putin deal with them. Overthrowing regimes while a terrorist organization is at there door sounds like such a brilliant idea doesn't it?
@HoolaHoopMan: Except I didn't vote for trump.. and if you did your research the least educated (those who lack even a highschool degree) are overwhelmingly democrats.
And this is the magic of picking one data point and ignoring the other relevant points. Overall, the more education you have the more likely you are to lean Democratic (independent to be precise, but we're comparing the two parties here):
...Free education for everyone..? With what he calls a incremental increase? Sure Bern the problem is leading economist say it will fail. He has proposals all of which would lead the country into further debt.
What's wrong with free education?
The college system has been going unchecked for years. Each year colleges raises the cost of tuition, because they know they will get the government fund, and student will get a grant/loan. And let's talk about the books, the books there is standardized and required for the course, yet not included in the tuition. The book that releases a new volume every 1 or 2 years, changing only a few words. Yes students can illegally download the book, but not all the time. Because most courses now require a course/lab code that only comes with new books. This is like a CoD game with multiplayer code.
Free education starts with putting checks on colleges. First making them affordable, then with government funds make them free. So yeah, this is a several year plan, things don't magically become free.
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