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#1  Edited By Master_Live
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Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S.

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Donald J. Trump called on Monday for the United States to bar all Muslims from entering the country until the nation’s leaders can “figure out what is going on,” an extraordinary escalation of his harsh rhetoric aimed at members of the Islamic faith in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, Calif.

“Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine,” said Mr. Trump, the leading Republican candidate for his party’s 2016 presidential nomination.

“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” he said.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Trump confirmed the authenticity of the statement. Asked what prompted it, Mr. Trump said, “death,” according to the spokeswoman.

Mr. Trump made his remarks a day after President Obama delivered a national address from the Oval Office urging Americans not to turn against Muslims in the wake of the terrorist attacks. Mr. Trump is expected to say more at a rally at the USS Yorktown in South Carolina on Monday evening to mark the anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.

Mr. Trump has a track record of making surprising and even extreme comments whenever he is overtaken in opinion polls by other Republican candidates – as happened on Monday just hours before he issued his statement about Muslims. A new Monmouth University survey of likely Iowa Republican caucus-goers found that Mr. Trump had slipped from his recent top spot in the state, which holds the first presidential nomination contest on Feb. 1. According to the poll, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas earned 24 percent of support in the poll, while Mr. Trump had 19 percent and Senator Marco Rubio of Florida had 17 percent.

While several of the Republican presidential candidates have called for increased intelligence gathering and more aggressive investigations of suspected terrorists, as well as a halt to Muslim refugees entering the United States from Syria, Mr. Trump’s pointed suspicions about Muslims have been in a category by themselves. At his campaign rallies, he has drawn strong applause from thousands of voters for his calls on the government to monitor mosques, and he has refused to rule out his earlier proposal to enter names of Muslims in America into a database. He has also made a series of ominous comments about President Obama’s leadership in fighting terrorism, suggesting that there was “something going on” with Mr. Obama that Americans were not aware of.

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This is appalling and Republicans risk (further) long term damage to their party brand the longer this clown isn't forcefully rebutted by others GOP candidates in the race.

He is a rabid, dying dog which is losing it as he sees Ted Cruz emerge as the (plausible) conservative alternative in Iowa.

Anyways, share your thoughts.

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#2 Solaryellow
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Right or wrong, sincere or not, he's just echoing the opinions of many out there today.

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Bold move Trump. Bold move.

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#5 comp_atkins
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just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

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@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

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@Aljosa23 said:
@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

is his house in the hampton's white?

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No matter how much "sense" Trump makes, I just can't take the man seriously. A long term democrat (until recently) and known friend with the Clintons, it's obvious this guy is just in the race to ruffle some feathers. The polls are silly and virtually pointless. Anyone here ever get polled? Me neither. So, why should I care what the polls say?

He'll be gone soon enough when Cruz or Rubio surpasses him "in the polls". Then we can start focusing on the issues and how the REAL candidate plans to combat them.

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Maybe Donald Trump is actually a die hard Democrat. Sacrificing his reputation in order to guarantee a Democrat victory, a true American hero.

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Unbelievable, how utterly unbelievable. How in the world does someone who spouts this kind of nonsense get anything but ridicule is beyond me.

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I don't pretend to understand this trend.

http://i.imgur.com/5CN04em.jpg

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#12 Master_Live
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Ha, Nate Silver astutely observed that:

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@Archangel3371 said:

Unbelievable, how utterly unbelievable. How in the world does someone who spouts this kind of nonsense get anything but ridicule is beyond me.

Sad to say that most (not all) of my fellow Americans have lost hope and are victims of Astroturfing! Trump knows it, he's just saying what people want to hear because he know that alot of people are desperate. And when you are desperate, all critical thinking goes out the window! Bottom-line, "IF" and I do mean if he does get into office, he's going to do just like every other President(for the exception of Kennedy) get he's strings pulled! It's sad that most people here don't know where the "REAL" power is.

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Who'd want to enter the US anyway?

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makes sense. islamic terrorism is a huge problem and until that problem is fixed, there should be a halt to immigration from those countries

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#18  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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Trump is definitely a fascist that is all for nationalism.

Whether that is a good or a bad thing, who knows. We've never actually tried it. Japan keeps their kind close and no one calls them out for it. I do think we need better regulations for refugees and put them into cities that aren't suffering economically. Don't shove them in the ghetto.

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Trump is a joke that needs to go away

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@Solaryellow said:

Right or wrong, sincere or not, he's just echoing the opinions of many out there today.

Let's be honest, social conservatives are pretty terrible people.

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@Flubbbs:

You're more likely to be killed by a right wing terrorist than an Islamic terrorist, and you're more likely to be killed by a home-grown terrorist than a foreign terrorist.

Donald Trump is a fascist, plain and simple.

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@Aljosa23 said:
@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

No chance. He's unelectable. More people have stated they will never vote for him than vote for him. He's going to tap out close to where he's at 20-30%. There's a small but signficant portion of the population that is completely vulnerable to fear mongering and he appeals to that group The republican establishment has already harshly condemned his statements - which tells you that he must really be batshit if the republicans are calling you out on xenophobia.

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No chance. He's unelectable. More people have stated they will never vote for him than vote for him. He's going to tap out close to where he's at 20-30%. There's a small but signficant portion of the population that is completely vulnerable to fear mongering and he appeals to that group The republican establishment has already harshly condemned his statements - which tells you that he must really be batshit if the republicans are calling you out on xenophobia.

It's going to be interesting to see how quickly candidates (with significant support) start dropping out and where their support goes.

The 30-some% he's had most recently is enough to win the nomination with 5 candidates splitting the vote. It's not enough to win in a head-to-head matchup.

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Trump is likely to get destroyed if he becomes the Republican candidate, but just you watch how many weird procedural things happen when it comes to Convention time and Trump is leading the polls or has won many primary states.

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@sonicare said:
@Aljosa23 said:
@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

No chance. He's unelectable. More people have stated they will never vote for him than vote for him. He's going to tap out close to where he's at 20-30%. There's a small but signficant portion of the population that is completely vulnerable to fear mongering and he appeals to that group The republican establishment has already harshly condemned his statements - which tells you that he must really be batshit if the republicans are calling you out on xenophobia.

lmao well duh, I was only kidding. Can't believe you thought I was serious. ._.

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Good idea..

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Meanwhile, On the other side of the political spectrum....

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@Aljosa23 said:
@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

Precisely. Denialists of Trump's ability to make it to the White House at this point in the race are detached from an emerging American reality that remains arcane to many. But even if we were to disregard said reality, a cursory appeal to history would still remind us that Hitler started as an outsider to German politics that envisaged his evanescence. Mainstream German politics, just like its contemporary American counterpart, underestimated the power of divisive politics and demagoguery in a democratic polity in its twilight.

There's poetic justice in what's happening in the U.S. It concocted and publicized the concept of Islamic terrorism worldwide - shaming and disgracing a third of the world's population in the process - and contributed to the rise of different insurgencies in the region - destroying and displacing entire peoples in the process - as a part of its military adventurism and imperialism. Now a tyrant is in the making, and he's capitalizing on the same prejudices and fears that the U.S created.

Trump is the natural evolution of the American regime that disregards any conciliatory rhetoric as shameful and pandering. There's infinite irony in Trump's words about the incomprehensible hatred of Muslims.

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Can he come to UK for prim minister?

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#31 skipper847
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This isn't a joke. The other day I was on the bus and there where a couple of OAP on at the front and me at the back with a couple of other people. There where 3 Muslims on also all 3 talking there language. I was thinking they could be talking about anything or doing something. Most 99% of British Muslims say there British but I bet 99% of British Muslims still speak there language and not British first. Think it should be made that if you move to a country and when out side of your home you should speak that country 1st language. Either if your British Muslim or British moving to another country like Spain or Greece etc. I have a friend what moved to Greece and they don't speak it which I think is all wrong. If you move to a country you should go by there language and no that country laws.

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@skipper847 said:

This isn't a joke. The other day I was on the bus and there where a couple of OAP on at the front and me at the back with a couple of other people. There where 3 Muslims on also all 3 talking there language. I was thinking they could be talking about anything or doing something. Most 99% of British Muslims say there British but I bet 99% of British Muslims still speak there language and not British first. Think it should be made that if you move to a country and when out side of your home you should speak that country 1st language. Either if your British Muslim or British moving to another country like Spain or Greece etc. I have a friend what moved to Greece and they don't speak it which I think is all wrong. If you move to a country you should go by there language and no that country laws.

Why do you care what language they're talking in, and why were you listening in on their conversation anyway?

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#33  Edited By TheHighWind
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@skipper847 said:

This isn't a joke. The other day I was on the bus and there where a couple of OAP on at the front and me at the back with a couple of other people. There where 3 Muslims on also all 3 talking there language. I was thinking they could be talking about anything or doing something. Most 99% of British Muslims say there British but I bet 99% of British Muslims still speak there language and not British first. Think it should be made that if you move to a country and when out side of your home you should speak that country 1st language. Either if your British Muslim or British moving to another country like Spain or Greece etc. I have a friend what moved to Greece and they don't speak it which I think is all wrong. If you move to a country you should go by there language and no that country laws.

Guess how many Mexicans in America don't speak English? Guess how many people agree with you that people who move to your country should learn the language?

Edit: The answer to both is a lot.

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@TheHighWind: And those people are idiots, just like trump.

He appeals to the same poor Americans thathim and his 1% friends rip off.

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@jasean79 said:

No matter how much "sense" Trump makes, I just can't take the man seriously. A long term democrat (until recently) and known friend with the Clintons, it's obvious this guy is just in the race to ruffle some feathers. The polls are silly and virtually pointless. Anyone here ever get polled? Me neither. So, why should I care what the polls say?

He'll be gone soon enough when Cruz or Rubio surpasses him "in the polls". Then we can start focusing on the issues and how the REAL candidate plans to combat them.

Well the idea of polls is that the estimations of the sample approximate the true values of the population, even if you're not in the poll... :P

But yeah. These polls are pointless for a number of reasons. We all know that as the primaries get closer people are gonna shift to other candidates with actual political experience and ideas. This popularity wave he's riding is funny, but it's not credible in the long run.

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@Flubbbs said:

makes sense. islamic terrorism is a huge problem and until that problem is fixed, there should be a halt to immigration from those countries

What you said sounds ALOT better than saying muslisms shouldn't enter the country...from anywhere. Your statement is about national safety. Trump's statement is racist.

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@GazaAli said:
@Aljosa23 said:
@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

Precisely. Denialists of Trump's ability to make it to the White House at this point in the race are detached from an emerging American reality that remains arcane to many. But even if we were to disregard said reality, a cursory appeal to history would still remind us that Hitler started as an outsider to German politics that envisaged his evanescence. Mainstream German politics, just like its contemporary American counterpart, underestimated the power of divisive politics and demagoguery in a democratic polity in its twilight.

There's poetic justice in what's happening in the U.S. It concocted and publicized the concept of Islamic terrorism worldwide - shaming and disgracing a third of the world's population in the process - and contributed to the rise of different insurgencies in the region - destroying and displacing entire peoples in the process - as a part of its military adventurism and imperialism. Now a tyrant is in the making, and he's capitalizing on the same prejudices and fears that the U.S created.

Trump is the natural evolution of the American regime that disregards any conciliatory rhetoric as shameful and pandering. There's infinite irony in Trump's words about the incomprehensible hatred of Muslims.

Why do you think every jacka$$ politician with a microphone represents America? And then connect an idiot statement to the entire legacy of the U.S.? There's nothing poetic about a [now] public racist and bigot gaining votes. This is America after all. Want to find a racist here...throw a rock. He will not get into the White House but I must say how I am surprises that his candidacy continues to gain steam the more ludicrous his views become.

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@sayyy-gaa said:

Why do you think every jacka$$ politician with a microphone represents America? And then connect an idiot statement to the entire legacy of the U.S.? There's nothing poetic about a [now] public racist and bigot gaining votes. This is America after all. Want to find a racist here...throw a rock. He will not get into the White House but I must say how I am surprises that his candidacy continues to gain steam the more ludicrous his views become.

Dude he's a known hater of the US.....don't ever take him seriously.

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So tired of this ridiculous man and the media's obsession with him. The point in the race in which serious candidates get the momentum cannot come soon enough.

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@sayyy-gaa said:
@Flubbbs said:

makes sense. islamic terrorism is a huge problem and until that problem is fixed, there should be a halt to immigration from those countries

What you said sounds ALOT better than saying muslisms shouldn't enter the country...from anywhere. Your statement is about national safety. Trump's statement is racist.

The end result is the same though, regardless of how it was said. Trump just didn't sugar coat it. This straight forwardness is what's causing him to surge in the polls.

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@GazaAli said:
@Aljosa23 said:
@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

There's poetic justice in what's happening in the U.S. It concocted and publicized the concept of Islamic terrorism worldwide - shaming and disgracing a third of the world's population in the process - and contributed to the rise of different insurgencies in the region - destroying and displacing entire peoples in the process - as a part of its military adventurism and imperialism. Now a tyrant is in the making, and he's capitalizing on the same prejudices and fears that the U.S created.


Muslims created that perception themselves by not taking out their trash.

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#42 comp_atkins
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the man will not gain the nomination, let alone the white house

my suggestion: just enjoy the show while it lasts

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#43  Edited By servomaster
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I saw my Muslim friend today who was really upset about this.

Kinda sucks that this affects actual people.

He was pissed as ****, and he's a pretty rational person.

It's easy to see how somebody who isn't a hyper rational engineer would react violently.

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@Solaryellow said:

Right or wrong, sincere or not, he's just echoing the opinions of many out there today.

Which is exactly what the Republican party shouldn't want. Its painting a huge part of their electorate as racist and irrationally xenophobic (which they are).

At least he's helping cast away this facade that our country has over come racism and bigotry.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Solaryellow said:

Right or wrong, sincere or not, he's just echoing the opinions of many out there today.

Which is exactly what the Republican party shouldn't want. Its painting a huge part of their electorate as racist and irrationally xenophobic (which they are).

At least he's helping cast away this facade that our country has over come racism and bigotry.

THIS x1000. We can no longer say we have moved past these issues.

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#46  Edited By Skelly34
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@GreySeal9 said:

So tired of this ridiculous man and the media's obsession with him. The point in the race in which serious candidates get the momentum cannot come soon enough.

His running pretty much guarantees that a democrat will be elected 2016.

He's absorbing so much attention and stealing so much thunder away from the republican side, yet there is no way in hell that this man could actually be elected in the long run.

He's still up in the polls currently, but I'm pretty sure people are starting to see him for what he actually is. Everyone's already heard all of his shtick and his strategy revolves around saying ridiculous shit to get more attention.

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@GazaAli said:
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@comp_atkins said:

just ignore the clown jumping up and down in the corner folks

he'll be gone soon enough

Gone to the White House?

There's poetic justice in what's happening in the U.S. It concocted and publicized the concept of Islamic terrorism worldwide - shaming and disgracing a third of the world's population in the process - and contributed to the rise of different insurgencies in the region - destroying and displacing entire peoples in the process - as a part of its military adventurism and imperialism. Now a tyrant is in the making, and he's capitalizing on the same prejudices and fears that the U.S created.

Muslims created that perception themselves by not taking out their trash.

Well, back then when Muslims could take out this 'trash', this trash used to come in the form of US' proxies in this region used to ward off the Soviet invaders. So, we couldn't really do anything about it. Then it developed into something we couldn't take out, and so the US left us alone too. Now, going by your logic, you should suffer exactly as we did.

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A recent poll said that 46% of Americans who never attended college support Trump, while those with any kind of college education show that he's currently in 5th place in the GOP lineup at 16%. It makes a great case for the value of a good education.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

Which is exactly what the Republican party shouldn't want. Its painting a huge part of their electorate as racist and irrationally xenophobic (which they are).

At least he's helping cast away this facade that our country has over come racism and bigotry.

The opinions of "many" out there is not strictly reserved for Republicans. I'd bet a dollar to donuts a portion Democrats (non liberal) also feel this way.

In my opinion, the bigger problem needing addressing is why people feel a negativity towards people of the Islamic faith. The answers will not be well received which is why it is generally ignored.