Do you feel guilty for being born white?

"You seem to be very confused". You say that in every other post you make. It's annoying.

Anyway...

A person of European descent is white, and anyone who is of European descent is universally considered to be white. And I'm not mixing up race and ethnicity. An ethnic Turk can be considered European if they have German citizenship, for example. But in this case, the word refers to people of European background. When I say, "ethnic European", I mean people who are ethnically English, German, French, Dutch, etc.

Being of European descent means having ancestors who were of ethnic European background, so all people who have ancestors who were either all or mostly of European ethnic background are indeed white. The word "European" in this case refers to people of ethnic European background. In the census definition of "White", the part where it says "European" is strictly referring to those descended from English, German, French, and other European groups.

Middle East is Caucasian......for the most. There really is only three "races". And no....you can't convert into an ethnicity.

Ok, so I decided to check this thread out after all...

No, I don't feel guilty for my caucasian roots, or even the country I was born in. That would be a pretty pointless thing to worry about.

In any case the pic you provided is a very bad example for your case as he does not originate from any of the original peoples of Europe and is thus not European in the sense that gamerguru was implying.

Yes you can.

"Ethnic religion may include officially sanctioned and organized civil religions with an organized clergy, but they are characterized in that adherents generally are defined by their ethnicity, and conversion essentially equates to cultural assimilation to the people in question."

So he's not white and not european in the sense that we are talking about. So what exactly is your point?

I think many people look white race as "angelic" ...

and perception of black race as heavy duty "strongman"

while east asian race as the "brain"

similar to what some RPG games did, generalise race

I feel guilty for being born white and I'm not even white or black or brown.

As for white people having a social advantage in the US/West, it's true they do, and I've done my best to carry on the status quo.

@CleanPlayer: Per capita, I think there are more millionares in Japan.

Oh for fucks sake, gerg. You were getting your panties in a twist just because I said "Middle Easterners and Europeans" instead of "people with origins in any of the original peoples of the Middle East and Europe"? Get off my Internet, sir. Oh, but before you do that, make sure to go masturbate to the article on semantics on Wikipedia; I wouldn't want you getting withdrawals. That would be the end of us all. D:

1 thing people need to remember is that we are all born good, innocent and nondiscriminatory. It's the people who bring you into this world that can shape whether this changes or not.

pff guilty? i enjoy it...i like being the dominant race.

@Crunchy_Nuts: And why do you think white people tend to have more of a social advantage? Do you really think its based on the color of their skin?

As far as whites having a social advantage over blacks (there's different dynamics at play with other races), it has to do with history. Whites, in the US, have not historically faced the same level of discrimination and oppression. And although that discrimination and oppression has decreased to a high degree over the years, its effects are still ingrained in society, especially considering that some of that oppression/discrimination was happening not so long ago.

You can only use the discrimination card for so long though before you finally have to take personal responsiblity. I know plenty of black people who are far more successful than I am. Knowing how to speak proper English really goes a long way. In the real world, you can't talk like a hip hop artist and expect to go anywhere in life. I can't even count how many people I did not hire because they can't leave slang and Ebonics out of a job interview.

And further more, maybe its time black people stopped naming their kids, off the wall ethnic names that come from a country they have never even been to. Some I think are made up even. America is a melting pot and even my Italian ancestors had to Americanize our last name. But wait. Aren't we white racists? According to Spike Lee we are.

I should have known better than to expect an intelligent response from you. It seems pretty clear that you're just using my post as a launchpad to vent about "black culture."

I didn't say one should use the discrimination card to avoid responsibility. I agree that one should not dwell on it. I'm simply acknowledging that discrimination and oppression do have effects on the social positions of races today; it doesn't make sense to think that all that history will not effect the present. To deny the effects of history is straight up ignorant.

I have no idea what Spike Lee has to do with anything and I didn't say anything about whites being racist (why in the world are you asking "aren't we whites racist?"). Furthermore, your bit about what black people name their kids is just you showing that you have a chip on your shoulder that you probably should do something about. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving your kids African names or made up names.

not white :P

@GreySeal9:

Nothing wrong with it to you maybe however you are setting them up for failure on a resume. Hate to say it but a black girl named Jennifer is going to get the job interview over a black girl names Laquanda. Just as a white person named Robert or Michael will get the interview before Buck, Cleatus or Bodean.

As for the Spike Lee thing, I'm talking about Do The Right Thing where he threw every Italian stereotype out there to make them look like ignorant racist assholes.

I think that you're projecting your own views onto everyone else. I've seen plenty of people with exotic/ethnic names in good positions.

Some employers will prejudge based on one's name while others will not.

And really, if Jennifer would get the job interview over Laquanda based solely on their names, that says something more about that employer than about the name.

But what does that have to with our conversation?

@GreySeal9:

It has a lot to do with the conversation because it was racist propaganda, making yet another Caucasian ethnic group look racist in support of the pro black agenda while using every racist stereotype they possibly could against Italians. What's wven worse is the NAACP called the film, "Powerful". I was actually highly offended by the film.

As for the name thing? You can say its a problem with the employer but just like my Italian ancestors having to change our family name years ago, this is life. Even politicians of all races including white have changed their names to make themselves much more appealing on a ballot.

This was my original post:

"As far as whites having a social advantage over blacks (there's different dynamics at play with other races), it has to do with history. Whites, in the US, have not historically faced the same level of discrimination and oppression. And although that discrimination and oppression has decreased to a high degree over the years, its effects are still ingrained in society, especially considering that some of that oppression/discrimination was happening not so long ago."

What in the world does all this ranting about making whites looks racist have to do with that particular post (or any post after that)? My post did not suggest in any way that white people are racist.

It seems to me that you are simply using this conversation as a launchpad to vent about your racial biases and grievances.

Like I said, I've seen people with exotic/ethnic names in good positions. That doesn't mean that there is not a certain amount of prejudging in society when it comes to certain names, just that there are plenty of employers that will not discriminate based on a name. You're acting like ethnic/exotic names are going to absolutely hinder one in seeking employment, which is not true.

It keeps me up at night.

And as for politicians changing their name on ballots, whether there is a need to do so really depends on the area in which one is running. Nationally, it doesn't seem particularly necessary, considering that the President, who was re-elected, is named Barack Hussein Obama, which is pretty damn exotic.

I'm glad I'm white.

No. All or most ethnic groups have committed atrocious crimes, even unto their own people. Being white, black, mixed, or whatever isn't a choice nor should it be held against anyone.

Sometimes when my parents aren't home I like to paint myself orange, bury myself, and pretend that I'm a carrot. So to answer this question yes I wish I was born a carrot and not white.

why does this thread still exist?

It needs to die.

No one should feel guilty for being born who they are.

And on that note, time to lock a thread that should have been closed already.