Do we still need religion?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Oh hush, I don't think religion should be banned.

However I am not a fan of ancient religious dogmatic views being used to determine current laws and education.

tenaka2

The way that you responded to his post indicates that you think it is okay to ban religion because it holds society back. He said that he doesn't think that athiesm should be banned even though society doesn't need it and then you said "But religion holds society back."

If it was anybody else, I would just assume they didn't want to ban religion, but since you're so continually ridiculous about these issues and your post does indicate that you at the very least think it's okay to ban religion, I made the most natural assumption.

Well for the record I do not think religion should be banned, however I think it should not influence modern day decisions regarding laws and politics. Some are worse then others, I find the Islamic treatment of women to be horrific and the catholics view on safe sex to be irresponsible. 

However there are positive sides to religion also.

No disagreement there.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Oh hush, I don't think religion should be banned.

However I am not a fan of ancient religious dogmatic views being used to determine current laws and education.

tenaka2

The way that you responded to his post indicates that you think it is okay to ban religion because it holds society back. He said that he doesn't think that athiesm should be banned even though society doesn't need it and then you said "But religion holds society back."

If it was anybody else, I would just assume they didn't want to ban religion, but since you're so continually ridiculous about these issues and your post does indicate that you at the very least think it's okay to ban religion, I made the most natural assumption.

Well for the record I do not think religion should be banned, however I think it should not influence modern day decisions regarding laws and politics. Some are worse then others, I find the Islamic treatment of women to be horrific and the catholics view on safe sex to be irresponsible. 

However there are positive sides to religion also.

I don't see how science nullifies religion in any way.harashawn

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

I am not intolerant, I tolerate religion everyday. I am still entitled to my opinion that religion is silly. 

Bane_09

Hey I feel the same way about many religious person's opinions but I don't tell them not to share.

I assure you, there are much more vile things I could say about religion but am not. I thought silly was a pretty mild term, especially compared to what a lot of users here say.

Also, this is an internet forum.

In social settings, I could understand the sentiment that one should not call other people's religions silly and mythological. Actually, I think in public settings, people should keep that view to themselves because it could be disruptive if too many people are offended. But one doesn't need be so politically correct online.

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sometimes opinions should not be broadcast.GreySeal9

Hey I feel the same way about many religious person's opinions but I don't tell them not to share.

I assure you, there are much more vile things I could say about religion but am not. I thought silly was a pretty mild term, especially compared to what a lot of users here say.

Also, this is an internet forum.

In social settings, I could understand the sentiment that one should not call other people's religions silly and mythological. Actually, I think in public settings, people should keep that view to themselves because it could be disruptive if too many people are offended. But one doesn't need be so politically correct online.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Hey I feel the same way about many religious person's opinions but I don't tell them not to share.

I assure you, there are much more vile things I could say about religion but am not. I thought silly was a pretty mild term, especially compared to what a lot of users here say.

LJS9502_basic

Also, this is an internet forum.

In social settings, I could understand the sentiment that one should not call other people's religions silly and mythological. Actually, I think in public settings, people should keep that view to themselves because it could be disruptive if too many people are offended. But one doesn't need be so politically correct online.

I think this opinion seems pretty bitter (and OT athiests are not really indicative of athiests in general), but it doesn't really bother me. I'd rather people be forthright about their opinions.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Also, this is an internet forum.

In social settings, I could understand the sentiment that one should not call other people's religions silly and mythological. Actually, I think in public settings, people should keep that view to themselves because it could be disruptive if too many people are offended. But one doesn't need be so politically correct online.

GreySeal9

I think this opinion seems pretty bitter (and OT athiests are not really indicative of athiests in general), but it doesn't really bother me.

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

I don't think it's needed anymore, I get by just fine without religion. But if people want to believe in silly mythologies that's their choice

LJS9502_basic

Do we need atheism? no.

osirisx3

THis makes as much sense as saying "We don't need non-stamp collectors"

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Oh well if we want to share opinions online then after reading posts in OT I have found roughly 95% of atheists to be intolerant and ignorant. Most of the ideas about religion are flat out wrong. They come across more as angst filled insecure children.LJS9502_basic

I think this opinion seems pretty bitter (and OT athiests are not really indicative of athiests in general), but it doesn't really bother me.

There's no doubt that some of athiests here are intolerant and ignorant, but looking at the threads as someone who has sympathies both with religious people and athiests, I see a mix of arrogant douchebag athiests and the ones that have a live and let live attitude.

Oh well if we want to share opinions online then after reading posts in OT I have found roughly 95% of atheists to be intolerant and ignorant. Most of the ideas about religion are flat out wrong. They come across more as angst filled insecure children.LJS9502_basic

Both sides are exactly the same, you cannot see it because of your bias.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh well if we want to share opinions online then after reading posts in OT I have found roughly 95% of atheists to be intolerant and ignorant. Most of the ideas about religion are flat out wrong. They come across more as angst filled insecure children.tenaka2

Both sides are exactly the same, you cannot see it because of your bias.

I like how he never has reason and evidense for his side, just calls others intolerant when they don't agree with his exclusive club

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sometimes opinions should not be broadcast.GreySeal9

Hey I feel the same way about many religious person's opinions but I don't tell them not to share.

I assure you, there are much more vile things I could say about religion but am not. I thought silly was a pretty mild term, especially compared to what a lot of users here say.

Also, this is an internet forum.

In social settings, I could understand the sentiment that one should not call other people's religions silly and mythological. Actually, I think in public settings, people should keep that view to themselves because it could be disruptive if too many people are offended. But one doesn't need be so politically correct online.

mhm, all of my friends and family are religious so I very rarely even talk about religion outside of this forum. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I think this opinion seems pretty bitter (and OT athiests are not really indicative of athiests in general), but it doesn't really bother me.

GreySeal9

There's no doubt that some of athiests here are intolerant and ignorant, but looking at the threads as someone who has sympathies both with religious people and athiests, I see a mix of arrogant douchebag athiests and the ones that have a live and let live attitude.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh well if we want to share opinions online then after reading posts in OT I have found roughly 95% of atheists to be intolerant and ignorant. Most of the ideas about religion are flat out wrong. They come across more as angst filled insecure children.tenaka2

Both sides are exactly the same, you cannot see it because of your bias.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Hey I feel the same way about many religious person's opinions but I don't tell them not to share.

I assure you, there are much more vile things I could say about religion but am not. I thought silly was a pretty mild term, especially compared to what a lot of users here say.

LJS9502_basic

Also, this is an internet forum.

In social settings, I could understand the sentiment that one should not call other people's religions silly and mythological. Actually, I think in public settings, people should keep that view to themselves because it could be disruptive if too many people are offended. But one doesn't need be so politically correct online.

As has been said on OT countless times there are fools on both sides. For example, Shadowmoses talks sh*t about atheists every chance he gets and comes across as very intolerant and ignorant

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh well if we want to share opinions online then after reading posts in OT I have found roughly 95% of atheists to be intolerant and ignorant. Most of the ideas about religion are flat out wrong. They come across more as angst filled insecure children.LJS9502_basic

Both sides are exactly the same, you cannot see it because of your bias.

I need an OT history lession: who are the Black Regiment?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh well if we want to share opinions online then after reading posts in OT I have found roughly 95% of atheists to be intolerant and ignorant. Most of the ideas about religion are flat out wrong. They come across more as angst filled insecure children.LJS9502_basic

Both sides are exactly the same, you cannot see it because of your bias.

What about those 2 crazy militant muslim guys, like it or not they fall into the religious camp?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Both sides are exactly the same, you cannot see it because of your bias.

GreySeal9

I need an OT history lession: who are the Black Regiment?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Also, this is an internet forum.

In social settings, I could understand the sentiment that one should not call other people's religions silly and mythological. Actually, I think in public settings, people should keep that view to themselves because it could be disruptive if too many people are offended. But one doesn't need be so politically correct online.

Bane_09

As has been said on OT countless times there are fools on both sides. For example, Shadowmoses talks sh*t about atheists every chance he gets and comes across as very intolerant and ignorant

Very true, and I'll add that intolerating the intolerant is not the same as intolerance itself.  Too often are people quick to jump to the conclusion of "intolerance ignorant atheist" when all they do is challenge an religious viewpoint

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Also, this is an internet forum.

In social settings, I could understand the sentiment that one should not call other people's religions silly and mythological. Actually, I think in public settings, people should keep that view to themselves because it could be disruptive if too many people are offended. But one doesn't need be so politically correct online.

Bane_09

As has been said on OT countless times there are fools on both sides. For example, Shadowmoses talks sh*t about atheists every chance he gets and comes across as very intolerant and ignorant

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Oh well if we want to share opinions online then after reading posts in OT I have found roughly 95% of atheists to be intolerant and ignorant. Most of the ideas about religion are flat out wrong. They come across more as angst filled insecure children.LJS9502_basic

As has been said on OT countless times there are fools on both sides. For example, Shadowmoses talks sh*t about atheists every chance he gets and comes across as very intolerant and ignorant

Well it's not like I'm going to try and think of every person I can, in all honesty I don't visit the site enough to know a whole lot of users by name. But yeah for the most part the religious users don't bother me at all, but there are some posts I'll see here and there that are just as bad as anything an atheist user has said. I actually like reading Mindstorm's(think that's his name) post when he does post

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

As has been said on OT countless times there are fools on both sides. For example, Shadowmoses talks sh*t about atheists every chance he gets and comes across as very intolerant and ignorant

Bane_09

Well it's not like I'm going to try and think of every person I can, in all honesty I don't visit the site enough to know a whole lot of users by name. But yeah for the most part the religious users don't bother me at all, but there are some posts I'll see here and there that are just as bad as anything an atheist user has said. I actually like reading Mindstorm's(think that's his name) post when he does post

Very true, and I'll add that intolerating the intolerant is not the same as intolerance itself.  Too often are people quick to jump to the conclusion of "intolerance ignorant atheist" when all they do is challenge an religious viewpoint

wis3boi

That's true, people do seem to have the view that questioning is the equivalent to attacking. Some things about religion do need to be questioned and changed, especially if it wishes to survive in a changing society

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] One person is what you came up with? Then I guess it's true the religious aren't bothering you here.LJS9502_basic

Well it's not like I'm going to try and think of every person I can, in all honesty I don't visit the site enough to know a whole lot of users by name. But yeah for the most part the religious users don't bother me at all, but there are some posts I'll see here and there that are just as bad as anything an atheist user has said. I actually like reading Mindstorm's(think that's his name) post when he does post

Eh, compared to most users, I find his views interesting and he does a good job of not coming off as a d-bag

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Very true, and I'll add that intolerating the intolerant is not the same as intolerance itself.  Too often are people quick to jump to the conclusion of "intolerance ignorant atheist" when all they do is challenge an religious viewpoint

Bane_09

That's true, people do seem to have the view that questioning is the equivalent to attacking. Some things about religion do need to be questioned and changed, especially if it wishes to survive in a changing society

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]>Religion can divide people or bring them together And you are doing a great job of trying to divide people.LJS9502_basic

I meant TC. Sorry was not clear.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Well it's not like I'm going to try and think of every person I can, in all honesty I don't visit the site enough to know a whole lot of users by name. But yeah for the most part the religious users don't bother me at all, but there are some posts I'll see here and there that are just as bad as anything an atheist user has said. I actually like reading Mindstorm's(think that's his name) post when he does post

Bane_09

Eh, compared to most users, I find his views interesting and he does a good job of not coming off as a d-bag

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Oh well if we want to share opinions online then after reading posts in OT I have found roughly 95% of atheists to be intolerant and ignorant. Most of the ideas about religion are flat out wrong. They come across more as angst filled insecure children.wis3boi

As has been said on OT countless times there are fools on both sides. For example, Shadowmoses talks sh*t about atheists every chance he gets and comes across as very intolerant and ignorant

Very true, and I'll add that intolerating the intolerant is not the same as intolerance itself.  Too often are people quick to jump to the conclusion of "intolerance ignorant atheist" when all they do is challenge an religious viewpoint

This is very true. There are some religious people that get offended simply because another person does not buy into their beliefs. But there are definitely people on here who say things just to get under religious people's skin and are not really trying to make any constructive point.

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] LOL I don't often agree with Mindstorm's ideas....LJS9502_basic

Eh, compared to most users, I find his views interesting and he does a good job of not coming off as a d-bag

Have to agree with LJ, while Mindstorms faith is admirable, he can be a little to Old Testament for my liking.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Very true, and I'll add that intolerating the intolerant is not the same as intolerance itself.  Too often are people quick to jump to the conclusion of "intolerance ignorant atheist" when all they do is challenge an religious viewpoint

Bane_09

That's true, people do seem to have the view that questioning is the equivalent to attacking. Some things about religion do need to be questioned and changed, especially if it wishes to survive in a changing society

Religion is designed to be intangible and behind a wall to defend against criticism and his been that way for 1000s of years, its no wonder the information age has come as a shock to firm believers when they get challenged.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Eh, compared to most users, I find his views interesting and he does a good job of not coming off as a d-bag

tenaka2

Have to agree with LJ, while Mindstorms faith is admirable, he can be a little to Old Testament for my liking.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Eh, compared to most users, I find his views interesting and he does a good job of not coming off as a d-bag

tenaka2

Have to agree with LJ, while Mindstorms faith is admirable, he can be a little to Old Testament for my liking.

Some of his views are pretty extreme IMO, but I like that he actually takes the time to explain his thinking.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well I was more talking about his biblical interpretations.LJS9502_basic

Have to agree with LJ, while Mindstorms faith is admirable, he can be a little to Old Testament for my liking.

I agree with you on loads of stuff.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well I was more talking about his biblical interpretations.GreySeal9

Have to agree with LJ, while Mindstorms faith is admirable, he can be a little to Old Testament for my liking.

Some of his views are pretty extreme IMO, but I like that he actually takes the time to explain his thinking.

I'll disagree and say it doesn't explain anything other than "I believe it because I was raised in it"

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Have to agree with LJ, while Mindstorms faith is admirable, he can be a little to Old Testament for my liking.

tenaka2

I agree with you on loads of stuff.

I think most people need religion. Religion is a placebo for the mind. Adults need something to rationalize their existence, and they also need something to look forward too so they don't feel useless, or minuscule. Fightingfan

That's funny because I think a higher power does just that. It makes me feel little. I think strength and happiness should come from nowhere but within yourself.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Have to agree with LJ, while Mindstorms faith is admirable, he can be a little to Old Testament for my liking.

wis3boi

Some of his views are pretty extreme IMO, but I like that he actually takes the time to explain his thinking.

I'll disagree and say it doesn't explain anything other than "I believe it because I was raised in it"

He doesn't explain the idea that God exists any better than anybody else, but he does take the time to explain his theology.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Some of his views are pretty extreme IMO, but I like that he actually takes the time to explain his thinking.

GreySeal9

I'll disagree and say it doesn't explain anything other than "I believe it because I was raised in it"

He doesn't explain the idea that God exists any better than anybody else, but he does take the time to explain his theology.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Some of his views are pretty extreme IMO, but I like that he actually takes the time to explain his thinking.

GreySeal9

I'll disagree and say it doesn't explain anything other than "I believe it because I was raised in it"

He doesn't explain the idea that God exists any better than anybody else, but he does take the time to explain his theology.

He sure does, but it's all quite baseless and useless if you cannot give anyone else a reason to believe what you claim without tapdancing around the loopholes and fallacies

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I'll disagree and say it doesn't explain anything other than "I believe it because I was raised in it"

LJS9502_basic

He doesn't explain the idea that God exists any better than anybody else, but he does take the time to explain his theology.

Most people will explain why they believe in God, but mindstorm's post are written in a quasi-scholarly fashion.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I'll disagree and say it doesn't explain anything other than "I believe it because I was raised in it"

wis3boi

He doesn't explain the idea that God exists any better than anybody else, but he does take the time to explain his theology.

He sure does, but it's all quite baseless and useless if you cannot give anyone else a reason to believe what you claim without tapdancing around the loopholes and fallacies

Well, I'm not commenting on the merit of his claims because I don't agree with most of what he says. I just appreciate the effort he puts into his posts.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

He doesn't explain the idea that God exists any better than anybody else, but he does take the time to explain his theology.

GreySeal9

Most people will explain why they believe in God, but mindstorm's post are written in a quasi-scholarly fashion.

I think the world needs to forget about religion.

I think the world needs to forget about religion.

Kats_RK

Science and religion aren't mututally exclusive.