Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must exploit shooting

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#1 mingmao3046
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Another case of government using disaster to their own advantage

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/

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Well we need more gun control
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You're right, using a school shooting as an example of why we need more gun control is beyond ridiculous.
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This is all too predictable. Obama's crocodile tears at the post-shooting press conference were sickening. His comment about needing to take some sort of action was all I needed to know that dems would head in this direction. They may have orchestrated this one, just like the Aurora and Sikh Temple shootings.

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Well we need more gun controlDroidPhysX

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

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#7 tenaka2
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Well we need more gun controlDroidPhysX

Lies, only more guns can fix the gun problems, everyone going to hospital should be issued with guns on entrence, including the visitors, only in this way will the U.S. gun problem be controlled.

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#8 LJS9502_basic
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More gun control would not have prevented what happened.....such hyperbole.
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This is all too predictable. Obama's crocodile tears at the post-shooting press conference were sickening. His comment about needing to take some sort of action was all I needed to know that dems would head in this direction. They may have orchestrated this one, just like the Aurora and Sikh Temple shootings.

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Its not exploitation, it gives the senseless act some meaning.
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#11 MgamerBD
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controlhartsickdiscipl

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

*looks around for mass murder in NY and Chicago* It actually has.
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controltenaka2

Lies, only more guns can fix the gun problems, everyone going to hospital should be issued with guns on entrence, including the visitors, only in this way will the U.S. gun problem be controlled.

Guns! Guns Everywhere!
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#13 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controlMgamerBD

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

*looks around for mass murder in NY and Chicago* It actually has.

Murders have been falling overall. However, if you want to look at gun control and crime...use DC as an example.
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#14 tenaka2
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More gun control would not have prevented what happened.....such hyperbole.LJS9502_basic

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

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#15 DaJuicyMan
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This is all too predictable. Obama's crocodile tears at the post-shooting press conference were sickening. His comment about needing to take some sort of action was all I needed to know that dems would head in this direction. They may have orchestrated this one, just like the Aurora and Sikh Temple shootings.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

This is all too predictable. Obama's crocodile tears at the post-shooting press conference were sickening. His comment about needing to take some sort of action was all I needed to know that dems would head in this direction. They may have orchestrated this one, just like the Aurora and Sikh Temple shootings.

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Only if you listen to the mainstream press BS.

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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

This is all too predictable. Obama's crocodile tears at the post-shooting press conference were sickening. His comment about needing to take some sort of action was all I needed to know that dems would head in this direction. They may have orchestrated this one, just like the Aurora and Sikh Temple shootings.

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Only if you listen to the mainstream press BS.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More gun control would not have prevented what happened.....such hyperbole.tenaka2

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....
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What is the next event going to be hart?
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More gun control would not have prevented what happened.....such hyperbole.tenaka2

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

Because it's totally feasible to eliminate the majority of guns from the US through enforcing stricter gun control laws.

Stricter gun control would only affect new gun owners buying from licensed dealers, would not stop the 300+ million other firearms in the nation from being traded second hand. There is no way to effectively curb second hand sales.

Also, sweeping law enforcement and spending trillions to rid our country of drugs has worked really well. Oh wait, no it hasn't. It's just been a massive money sink that has accomplished nothing but overloading our jails.

How about using that money to increase our education budget, identify people with mental illness sooner, and treat them young.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More gun control would not have prevented what happened.....such hyperbole.LJS9502_basic

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....

Half a million legally owned guns are stolen from peoples homes in the u.s. every year.

We get it you like guns, however thinking the solution to gun crime is to increase the amount of guns is completely crazy.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More gun control would not have prevented what happened.....such hyperbole.LJS9502_basic

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....

But you dont know that. They could have just as easily been gifts to him.
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#23 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

This is all too predictable. Obama's crocodile tears at the post-shooting press conference were sickening. His comment about needing to take some sort of action was all I needed to know that dems would head in this direction. They may have orchestrated this one, just like the Aurora and Sikh Temple shootings.

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Only if you listen to the mainstream press BS.

Wonder what the MSM have against second gunmen. He always seem to disappear from these stories as they are breaking.
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What is the next event going to be hart?dave123321
Friday
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#25 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

tenaka2

Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....

Half a million legally owned guns are stolen from peoples homes in the u.s. every year.

We get it you like guns, however thinking the solution to gun crime is to increase the amount of guns is completely crazy.

You really make up lots of assumptions. I don't "like" guns. I just happen to believe the 2nd Amendment is a good thing in regard to not giving all the power to government.
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#26 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controlMgamerBD

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

*looks around for mass murder in NY and Chicago* It actually has.

Look at the murder and shooting rates. Don't be dense.

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#27 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

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Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....

But you dont know that. They could have just as easily been gifts to him.

They weren't his. Stop reaching for evidence that isn't there....
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controlhartsickdiscipl

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

Because NYC and Chicago are the only indicators of gun control.

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What is the next event going to be hart?dave123321

Hell if I know.

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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

hartsickdiscipl

*looks around for mass murder in NY and Chicago* It actually has.

Look at the murder and shooting rates. Don't be dense.

wonder what those rates would be with lax gun control laws
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

tenaka2

Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....

Half a million legally owned guns are stolen from peoples homes in the u.s. every year.

We get it you like guns, however thinking the solution to gun crime is to increase the amount of guns is completely crazy.

Nobody but you was talking about increasing the amount of guns.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....

But you dont know that. They could have just as easily been gifts to him.

They weren't his. Stop reaching for evidence that isn't there....

You are reaching just as much. Its not known whether the motjer bought the weapons for him or not. You are the one making the claim not me
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]What is the next event going to be hart?hartsickdiscipl

Hell if I know.

But Obama is planning it right now right?
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#34 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"] *looks around for mass murder in NY and Chicago* It actually has.Abbeten

Look at the murder and shooting rates. Don't be dense.

wonder what those rates would be with lax gun control laws

Probably the same since the majority of gang related violence is committed with unregistered firearms, and gang related violence makes up the vast majority of large city gun crimes.

Remember buying a registering a gun is expensive and they have you on file. Buying an unregistered gun from the same guys that move drugs and other illegal items is cheaper and nobody has record of the gun. Most criminals who have an intent on using firearms in a crime are not going to buy the gun from a licensed dealer.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....LJS9502_basic

Half a million legally owned guns are stolen from peoples homes in the u.s. every year.

We get it you like guns, however thinking the solution to gun crime is to increase the amount of guns is completely crazy.

You really make up lots of assumptions. I don't "like" guns. I just happen to believe the 2nd Amendment is a good thing in regard to not giving all the power to government.

Sorry, my bad *love* guns, the world has moved beyond the U.S.s archaic laws, the government only has the power you give it and this dillusion that owning a gun somehow controls governement is a best hopeful and at worst crazy.

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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] But you dont know that. They could have just as easily been gifts to him.

They weren't his. Stop reaching for evidence that isn't there....

You are reaching just as much. Its not known whether the motjer bought the weapons for him or not. You are the one making the claim not me

It's known that the mother presented the weapons to people as hers......you really shouldn't make up things. It's idiotic.
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#37 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Half a million legally owned guns are stolen from peoples homes in the u.s. every year.

We get it you like guns, however thinking the solution to gun crime is to increase the amount of guns is completely crazy.

tenaka2

You really make up lots of assumptions. I don't "like" guns. I just happen to believe the 2nd Amendment is a good thing in regard to not giving all the power to government.

Sorry, my bad *love* guns, the world has moved beyond the U.S.s archaic laws, the government only has the power you give it and this dillusion that owning a gun somehow controls governement is a best hopeful and at worst crazy.

Do you understand what you read or do you just get an argument in your head and go with it?

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As vile as the premise sounds, the Dem lawmaker is right in his analysis. Never let a crisis go to waste.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]What is the next event going to be hart?DaJuicyMan

Hell if I know.

But Obama is planning it right now right?

I doubt Obama is doing anything but taking orders on a cell phone
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Dude did not legally acquire the guns himself...he stole them. The more you know.....Wasdie

Half a million legally owned guns are stolen from peoples homes in the u.s. every year.

We get it you like guns, however thinking the solution to gun crime is to increase the amount of guns is completely crazy.

Nobody but you was talking about increasing the amount of guns.

lol is this a serious comment? Allowing people to buy a gun on every corner increases the amount of guns Wasdie.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controlDroidPhysX

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

Because only NYC and Chicago are the only indicators of gun control.

Of course they are not, but there are a lot of people living in those cities. They give us a pretty decent idea of what does and doesn't work. Switzerland is another good example of how guns =/= violent crime.

Regardless, the 2nd Amendment is important. This government's recent propensity for tyrannical policies requires that the people stay armed. This is not the time to go all soft.

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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Hell if I know.

MrPraline

But Obama is planning it right now right?

I doubt Obama is doing anything but taking orders on a cell phone

Damn the economy must be rough if he moonlights as a pizza delivery man.....

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Half a million legally owned guns are stolen from peoples homes in the u.s. every year.

We get it you like guns, however thinking the solution to gun crime is to increase the amount of guns is completely crazy.

tenaka2

Nobody but you was talking about increasing the amount of guns.

lol is this a serious comment? Allowing people to buy a gun on every corner increases the amount of guns Wasdie.

But nobody here in this thread has talked about increasing the amount of guns. You keep talking out of your ass about things.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More gun control would not have prevented what happened.....such hyperbole.tenaka2

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

The murderer on friday took the guns from his mother. no matter how much restrictions you want, nothing could have prevented this.
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You really make up lots of assumptions. I don't "like" guns. I just happen to believe the 2nd Amendment is a good thing in regard to not giving all the power to government. LJS9502_basic

Sorry, my bad *love* guns, the world has moved beyond the U.S.s archaic laws, the government only has the power you give it and this dillusion that owning a gun somehow controls governement is a best hopeful and at worst crazy.

Do you understand what you read or do you just get an argument in your head and go with it?

Typical LJ argument, attempt to twist the topic in question and ignore the reality.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They weren't his. Stop reaching for evidence that isn't there....

You are reaching just as much. Its not known whether the motjer bought the weapons for him or not. You are the one making the claim not me

It's known that the mother presented the weapons to people as hers......you really shouldn't make up things. It's idiotic.

I'm not making anything up. You are the one jumping to conclusions. I'm merely saying that its not clear either way. Of course she would say that. She bought them and anyone under 21 cannot legal own a gun in CN.
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Hell if I know.

MrPraline
But Obama is planning it right now right?

I doubt Obama is doing anything but taking orders on a cell phone

From the illuminati?
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#48 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More gun control would not have prevented what happened.....such hyperbole.mingmao3046

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

The murderer on friday took the guns from his mother. no matter how much restrictions you want, nothing could have prevented this.

Not sure if serious.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] But Obama is planning it right now right?

I doubt Obama is doing anything but taking orders on a cell phone

Damn the economy must be rough if he moonlights a pizza delivery man.....

lol
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Sorry, my bad *love* guns, the world has moved beyond the U.S.s archaic laws, the government only has the power you give it and this dillusion that owning a gun somehow controls governement is a best hopeful and at worst crazy.

tenaka2

Do you understand what you read or do you just get an argument in your head and go with it?

Typical LJ argument, attempt to twist the topic in question and ignore the reality.

Twist the topic? No that's what you've attempted to do. You assume I love guns now. I just told you why I support the 2nd Amendment...which has nothing to do with love for guns. It's you who is talking out his ass and twisting posts.