Columbia tries to change whites only scholarship

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#1 mingmao3046
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- Old woman dies in 1920
- Leaves estate money to university for a scholarship that can only be awarded to whites
- University wants to change the scholarship

First of all, I think all race-based scholarships are stupid. I also think that if the university no longer wishes to abide by the woman's original request for the estate money, they need to give the remaining funds to descendants. You can't change the stipulations of an agreement just because you have a politically correct **** in your @ss. 

 

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2013/05/whites-only_scholarship_may_be.html

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#2 ferrari2001
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Yep, if the university doesn't like the scholarship stipulations then the money needs to be given back to the family.
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I think all race-based scholarships are stupidmingmao3046
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"The Daily News reports that Columbia hasn't awarded the fellowship since 1997." Non-story
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INB4 Bioshock Infinite joke.

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Man people on OT seem to be channeling hitler's spirit more and more nowadays.
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"The Daily News reports that Columbia hasn't awarded the fellowship since 1997." Non-storyJML897

Done and done

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Race related scholarships are dumb to begin with, but I don't see an issue with a white only scolarship if scolarships that are for blacks or native Americans are considered "okay".

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There are scholarships that can only be awarded to white people? That is seriously ****ed up. How does it work? Where is the line between white and something else? And who decides?

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Man people on OT seem to be channeling hitler's spirit more and more nowadays.T-Bone91

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There are scholarships that can only be awarded to white people? That is seriously ****ed up. How does it work? Where is the line between white and something else? And who decides?

Litchie

There are tons of scholarships available only to people of certain races such as black. At least at my college.

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There are scholarships that can only be awarded to white people? That is seriously ****ed up. How does it work? Where is the line between white and something else? And who decides?

Litchie

There are scholarships awarded to only black people and hispanic people, is that not messed up as well? Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]I think all race-based scholarships are stupidBossPerson

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[QUOTE="Litchie"]

There are scholarships that can only be awarded to white people? That is seriously ****ed up. How does it work? Where is the line between white and something else? And who decides?

Blueresident87

Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

Exactly. Whoever came up with the term "reverse racism" to refer to racism against whites is a dumbass.

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[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

[QUOTE="Litchie"]

There are scholarships that can only be awarded to white people? That is seriously ****ed up. How does it work? Where is the line between white and something else? And who decides?

gamerguru100

Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

Exactly. Whoever came up with the term "reverse racism" to refer to racism against whites is a dumbass.

didn't you know that it's only racist if white people are doing it

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what if you are a white-hispanic?

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[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"] Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.lostrib

Exactly. Whoever came up with the term "reverse racism" to refer to racism against whites is a dumbass.

didn't you know that it's only racist if white people are doing it

Very funny.
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#18 lostrib
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what if you are a white-hispanic?

flazzle

don't think that counts

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what if you are a white-hispanic?

flazzle
A damn good question. Hell, the original Hispanics are white (Spaniards).
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[QUOTE="T-Bone91"]Man people on OT seem to be channeling hitler's spirit more and more nowadays.Person0

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[QUOTE="Litchie"]

There are scholarships that can only be awarded to white people? That is seriously ****ed up. How does it work? Where is the line between white and something else? And who decides?

Blueresident87

There are scholarships awarded to only black people and hispanic people, is that not messed up as well? Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

Nah, it's not messed up at all. There is institutionalised racism which needs to be counter-acted somehow, at least until things are reasonably fair. As a white dude you have a vastly better chance of being hired or offered a place at University than a minority. You can either say 'oh well, tough ****' or do something to try and balance the scales. That's why minority scholarships exist. Otherwise you just condemn people to repeat a cycle of poverty.
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[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

[QUOTE="Litchie"]

There are scholarships that can only be awarded to white people? That is seriously ****ed up. How does it work? Where is the line between white and something else? And who decides?

Ninja-Hippo

There are scholarships awarded to only black people and hispanic people, is that not messed up as well? Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

Nah, it's not messed up at all. There is institutionalised racism which needs to be counter-acted somehow, at least until things are reasonably fair. As a white dude you have a vastly better chance of being hired or offered a place at University than a minority. You can either say 'oh well, tough ****' or do something to try and balance the scales. That's why minority scholarships exist. Otherwise you just condemn people to repeat a cycle of poverty.

Why not just make the scholarships income based if its about combating poverty?
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#23 gamerguru100
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Here's a wiki article on white Hispanics in the US. I find it hard to believe that over half of Hispanics in the US are white. Most seem to be mixed (mestizo). 

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

There are scholarships awarded to only black people and hispanic people, is that not messed up as well? Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

Person0
Nah, it's not messed up at all. There is institutionalised racism which needs to be counter-acted somehow, at least until things are reasonably fair. As a white dude you have a vastly better chance of being hired or offered a place at University than a minority. You can either say 'oh well, tough ****' or do something to try and balance the scales. That's why minority scholarships exist. Otherwise you just condemn people to repeat a cycle of poverty.

Why not just make the scholarships income based if its about combating poverty?

This is better than making it race-based, which only breeds resentment. Sorry, but if one group can have something that another can't based on race, that's discrimination.
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#25 mingmao3046
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[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

[QUOTE="Litchie"]

There are scholarships that can only be awarded to white people? That is seriously ****ed up. How does it work? Where is the line between white and something else? And who decides?

Ninja-Hippo

There are scholarships awarded to only black people and hispanic people, is that not messed up as well? Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

Nah, it's not messed up at all. There is institutionalised racism which needs to be counter-acted somehow, at least until things are reasonably fair. As a white dude you have a vastly better chance of being hired or offered a place at University than a minority. You can either say 'oh well, tough ****' or do something to try and balance the scales. That's why minority scholarships exist. Otherwise you just condemn people to repeat a cycle of poverty.

uhh how about no? Minorities have a huge advantage when applying to universities
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#26 Bucked20
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Who cares and why are yall complaining about minorities having an advantage of getting into good schools like white privilege doesn't exist
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Who cares and why are yall complaining about minorities having an advantage of getting into good schools like white privilege doesn't exist Bucked20
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[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Who cares and why are yall complaining about minorities having an advantage of getting into good schools like white privilege doesn't exist LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

There are scholarships awarded to only black people and hispanic people, is that not messed up as well? Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

Person0

Nah, it's not messed up at all. There is institutionalised racism which needs to be counter-acted somehow, at least until things are reasonably fair. As a white dude you have a vastly better chance of being hired or offered a place at University than a minority. You can either say 'oh well, tough ****' or do something to try and balance the scales. That's why minority scholarships exist. Otherwise you just condemn people to repeat a cycle of poverty.

Why not just make the scholarships income based if its about combating poverty?

Agreed, although this is essentially what many elite schools have started to do.  Most Ivies and the like barely offer scholarships, and mostly hand out financial aid to those who need it.

Ofc, this doesn't mean that minorities aren't given a tad bit of leeway on standarized test scores and etc. 

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#30 lostrib
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I assume this is an internal scholarship, handed out by the university?  So as long as they are consistent in removing all scholarships with racial requirements.

However, for external scholarships, they don't really have control over those and they are generally distributed by private groups, often racial/ethnic (ex. south pacific islanders) which is fine.

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#31 lostrib
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Who cares and why are yall complaining about minorities having an advantage of getting into good schools like white privilege doesn't exist Bucked20

Because creating separate, but unequal classes of people is racist/bigotry

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

There are scholarships awarded to only black people and hispanic people, is that not messed up as well? Racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is against.

mingmao3046
Nah, it's not messed up at all. There is institutionalised racism which needs to be counter-acted somehow, at least until things are reasonably fair. As a white dude you have a vastly better chance of being hired or offered a place at University than a minority. You can either say 'oh well, tough ****' or do something to try and balance the scales. That's why minority scholarships exist. Otherwise you just condemn people to repeat a cycle of poverty.

uhh how about no? Minorities have a huge advantage when applying to universities

If you're suggesting that Blacks have a huge advantage over Whites when apply to schools, then that's a lie.
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#33 jaqulle999
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Easy solution. Use that money on the white students. Use you other scholarship funds for students of other races.

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Give the money back. If you want to help people then help those that actually need the help, there's only one race and thats the Human race.