California inmates illegally sterilized, new report shows

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#1 nomsayin
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http://news.msn.com/us/calif-inmates-illegally-sterilized-new-report-shows

This is pretty crazy stuff. 

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good program.

maybe one day we can move it out of the prisons and into the general population.

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#3 uncledeath2005
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Scary stuff

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#4 LJS9502_basic
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I assume the doctor's are in trouble?
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#5 comp_atkins
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He made me feel like a bad mother if I didnt do it.

Cordero, who spent two years in prison for auto theft,

 

 

well......

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#6 LJS9502_basic
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He made me feel like a bad mother if I didnt do it.

Cordero, who spent two years in prison for auto theft,

 

 

well......

comp_atkins
I think we can agree she's a bad mother....but if she agreed then that's that.
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#7 Masculus
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Well, they had an austrian Governor back then.

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good program.

maybe one day we can move it out of the prisons and into the general population.

th?id=H.5039810135460099&pid=15.1

Riverwolf007

I hope you're being sarcastic. Really I do.

I don't support this at all.

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Disgusting and outrageous.  Those responsible should be sterilized.  

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#10 LJS9502_basic
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Well, they had an austrian Governor back then.

Masculus
IF you read...it wasn't mandated by the state.
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good program.

maybe one day we can move it out of the prisons and into the general population.

th?id=H.5039810135460099&pid=15.1

Riverwolf007

The human population...

mcmillan.jpg

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#12 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

good program.

maybe one day we can move it out of the prisons and into the general population.

th?id=H.5039810135460099&pid=15.1

sune_Gem

The human population...

mcmillan.jpg

:lol:
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

good program.

maybe one day we can move it out of the prisons and into the general population.

th?id=H.5039810135460099&pid=15.1

sune_Gem

The human population...

mcmillan.jpg

Well we could do without all the starving people.
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#14 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

good program.

maybe one day we can move it out of the prisons and into the general population.

th?id=H.5039810135460099&pid=15.1

leviathan91

I hope you're being sarcastic. Really I do.

I don't support this at all.

in some ways i am being sarcastic because y'know... human rights and all but in other ways i'm not.

i find it disturbing that  we breed like an out of control rat population.  

at some point our population is going to crash hard and more human misery than we can even contemplate will be unleashed.

why is breeding a right and not a privilege?

why do we have no standards for who is allowed to breed?

why is it some kind of tragedy that some horrible person like in the story who is not taking care of the 5 children they already have allowed to make more?

18,000 children starve to death every single day.

why do we allow those least capable of caring for them to make more?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-17-un-hunger_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

 

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#15 lostrib
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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

good program.

maybe one day we can move it out of the prisons and into the general population.

th?id=H.5039810135460099&pid=15.1

Riverwolf007

I hope you're being sarcastic. Really I do.

I don't support this at all.

in some ways i am being sarcastic because y'know... human rights and all but in other ways i'm not.

i find it disturbing that  we breed like an out of control rat population.  

at some point our population is going to crash hard and more human misery than we can even contemplate will be unleashed.

why is breeding a right and not a privilege?

why do we have no standards for who is allowed to breed?

why is it some kind of tragedy that some horrible person like in the story who is not taking care of the 5 children they already have allowed to make more?

18,000 children starve to death every single day.

why do we allow those least capable of caring for them to make more?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-17-un-hunger_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

 

because it's a horrible idea

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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

I hope you're being sarcastic. Really I do.

I don't support this at all.

lostrib

in some ways i am being sarcastic because y'know... human rights and all but in other ways i'm not.

i find it disturbing that  we breed like an out of control rat population.  

at some point our population is going to crash hard and more human misery than we can even contemplate will be unleashed.

why is breeding a right and not a privilege?

why do we have no standards for who is allowed to breed?

why is it some kind of tragedy that some horrible person like in the story who is not taking care of the 5 children they already have allowed to make more?

18,000 children starve to death every single day.

why do we allow those least capable of caring for them to make more?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-17-un-hunger_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

 

because it's a horrible idea

It's an even more horrible idea to carelessly have children and not be able to support them.
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

I hope you're being sarcastic. Really I do.

I don't support this at all.

lostrib

in some ways i am being sarcastic because y'know... human rights and all but in other ways i'm not.

i find it disturbing that  we breed like an out of control rat population.  

at some point our population is going to crash hard and more human misery than we can even contemplate will be unleashed.

why is breeding a right and not a privilege?

why do we have no standards for who is allowed to breed?

why is it some kind of tragedy that some horrible person like in the story who is not taking care of the 5 children they already have allowed to make more?

18,000 children starve to death every single day.

why do we allow those least capable of caring for them to make more?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-17-un-hunger_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

 

because it's a horrible idea

i can only agree that yes it is a horrible idea.

but.

th?id=H.4924666372752660&pid=15.1

18,000

every day.

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]in some ways i am being sarcastic because y'know... human rights and all but in other ways i'm not.

i find it disturbing that  we breed like an out of control rat population.  

at some point our population is going to crash hard and more human misery than we can even contemplate will be unleashed.

why is breeding a right and not a privilege?

why do we have no standards for who is allowed to breed?

why is it some kind of tragedy that some horrible person like in the story who is not taking care of the 5 children they already have allowed to make more?

18,000 children starve to death every single day.

why do we allow those least capable of caring for them to make more?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-17-un-hunger_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

 

Riverwolf007

because it's a horrible idea

i can only agree that yes it is a horrible idea.

but.

th?id=H.4924666372752660&pid=15.1

But their mothers wanted a baby.
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]in some ways i am being sarcastic because y'know... human rights and all but in other ways i'm not.

i find it disturbing that  we breed like an out of control rat population.  

at some point our population is going to crash hard and more human misery than we can even contemplate will be unleashed.

why is breeding a right and not a privilege?

why do we have no standards for who is allowed to breed?

why is it some kind of tragedy that some horrible person like in the story who is not taking care of the 5 children they already have allowed to make more?

18,000 children starve to death every single day.

why do we allow those least capable of caring for them to make more?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-17-un-hunger_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

 

Riverwolf007

because it's a horrible idea

i can only agree that yes it is a horrible idea.

but.

 

18,000

every day.

that's awful for them, perhaps their parents should have made better choices, or perhaps they need to be educated. Not forcibly sterilized

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#20 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

because it's a horrible idea

Nibroc420

i can only agree that yes it is a horrible idea.

but.

th?id=H.4924666372752660&pid=15.1

But their mothers wanted a baby.

it's a tough gig because if you start to lay out the cold hard facts people are simply not going to like it.

i get that nobody wants to hear this and that i am the asshole here for bringing it up.

what i think is what they are going to like even less is what happenes to any animal population that breeds on a runaway basis.

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#21 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]i can only agree that yes it is a horrible idea.

but.

 

Riverwolf007

But their mothers wanted a baby.

it's a tough gig because if you start to lay out the cold hard facts people are simply not going to like it.

i get that nobody wants to hear this and that i am the asshole here for bringing it up.

what i think is what they are going to like even less is what happenes to any animal population that breeds on a runaway basis.

Want to here something even worse? Nobody cares!

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#22 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

because it's a horrible idea

lostrib

i can only agree that yes it is a horrible idea.

but.

 

18,000

every day.

that's awful for them, perhaps their parents should have made better choices, or perhaps they need to be educated. Not forcibly sterilized

what if we could make an additive to the water and once you prove you are able to support a child you get the "cure"?

would something like that be acceptable?

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The Nazi Germany template still going strong i see

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]i can only agree that yes it is a horrible idea.

but.

 

18,000

every day.

Riverwolf007

that's awful for them, perhaps their parents should have made better choices, or perhaps they need to be educated. Not forcibly sterilized

what if we could make an additive to the water and once you prove you are able to support a child you get the "cure"?

would something like that be acceptable?

no. 

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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] But their mothers wanted a baby.lostrib

it's a tough gig because if you start to lay out the cold hard facts people are simply not going to like it.

i get that nobody wants to hear this and that i am the asshole here for bringing it up.

what i think is what they are going to like even less is what happenes to any animal population that breeds on a runaway basis.

Want to here something even worse? Nobody cares!

but they care about convicts with multiple children they already do not take care of  reproduction rights?

peoples priorities baffle me.

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]it's a tough gig because if you start to lay out the cold hard facts people are simply not going to like it.

i get that nobody wants to hear this and that i am the asshole here for bringing it up.

what i think is what they are going to like even less is what happenes to any animal population that breeds on a runaway basis.

Riverwolf007

Want to here something even worse? Nobody cares!

but they care about some convicts with multiple children that they are not caring for reproduction rights?

peoples priorities baffle me.

probably only a small minority will care.  Or only care for all of a week, maybe

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The Nazi Germany template still going strong i see

Jimn_tonic

i know man, it is an ugly horrible subject.

and if we even begin to scratch the surface and talk about the problem then i'm a nazi so ok, i'm a huge nazi that just goosestepped from one side of the room to the other.

now what about the problem?

does your concern go any further than dropping the nazi bomb and maybe talking about ways to fix something?

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#28 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]i can only agree that yes it is a horrible idea.

but.

th?id=H.4924666372752660&pid=15.1

Riverwolf007

But their mothers wanted a baby.

it's a tough gig because if you start to lay out the cold hard facts people are simply not going to like it.

i get that nobody wants to hear this and that i am the asshole here for bringing it up.

what i think is what they are going to like even less is what happenes to any animal population that breeds on a runaway basis.

and people want to ban abortion... monsters.
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#29 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Want to here something even worse? Nobody cares!

lostrib

but they care about some convicts with multiple children that they are not caring for reproduction rights?

peoples priorities baffle me.

probably only a small minority will care.  Or only care for all of a week, maybe

lol, well that is certainly the truth.

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#30 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] But their mothers wanted a baby.comp_atkins

it's a tough gig because if you start to lay out the cold hard facts people are simply not going to like it.

i get that nobody wants to hear this and that i am the asshole here for bringing it up.

what i think is what they are going to like even less is what happenes to any animal population that breeds on a runaway basis.

and people want to ban abortion... monsters.

my plan to use the water supply to distribute birth control would almost completly eliminate abortion.

they would be unneeded.

because until you were ready to have children you would just not take the antidote.

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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]it's a tough gig because if you start to lay out the cold hard facts people are simply not going to like it.

i get that nobody wants to hear this and that i am the asshole here for bringing it up.

what i think is what they are going to like even less is what happenes to any animal population that breeds on a runaway basis.

Riverwolf007

and people want to ban abortion... monsters.

my plan to use the water supply to distribute birth control would almost completly eliminate abortion.

they would be unneeded.

because until you were ready to have children you would just not take the antidote.

it's also a fantasy

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The morality of forcing people to get sterilized is questionable, but so is having eight kids on a $14,000 a year salary. At lest in the US we have WIC and food stamps, can't say the same about third world countries where people have ten kids or more.
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[QUOTE="Jimn_tonic"]

The Nazi Germany template still going strong i see

Riverwolf007

i know man, it is an ugly horrible subject.

and if we even begin to scratch the surface and talk about the problem then i'm a nazi so ok, i'm a huge nazi that just goosestepped from one side of the room to the other.

now what about the problem?

does your concern go any further than dropping the nazi bomb and maybe talking about ways to fix something?

lol well aren't you presumptuous.

I didn't even read your initial post. 

I made that comment because California's eugenics program actually was the template for Nazi eugenics.

so please stop with your "I'm controversial, please pay attention to me" schtick

 

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Disgusting and outrageous.  Those responsible should be sterilized.  

hartsickdiscipl
yeah cause that's the way to deal with crimes, eye for an eye...........oh wait my sarcasm is made pointless by the existence of the death penalty.
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#35 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Jimn_tonic"]

The Nazi Germany template still going strong i see

Jimn_tonic

i know man, it is an ugly horrible subject.

and if we even begin to scratch the surface and talk about the problem then i'm a nazi so ok, i'm a huge nazi that just goosestepped from one side of the room to the other.

now what about the problem?

does your concern go any further than dropping the nazi bomb and maybe talking about ways to fix something?

lol well aren't you presumptuous.

I didn't even read your initial post. 

I made that comment because California's eugenics program actually was the template for Nazi eugenics.

so please stop with your "I'm controversial, please pay attention to me" schtick

 

lol, my bad.

and yeah i am pretty presumptuous..

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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]it's a tough gig because if you start to lay out the cold hard facts people are simply not going to like it.

i get that nobody wants to hear this and that i am the asshole here for bringing it up.

what i think is what they are going to like even less is what happenes to any animal population that breeds on a runaway basis.

Riverwolf007

and people want to ban abortion... monsters.

my plan to use the water supply to distribute birth control would almost completly eliminate abortion.

they would be unneeded.

because until you were ready to have children you would just not take the antidote.

you think any system would be 100% effective? look at the planet. it is covered in life. if it's good at nothing else, it's replicating itself, despite hurdled put in it's path :P
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#37 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="Jimn_tonic"]

The Nazi Germany template still going strong i see

Riverwolf007

i know man, it is an ugly horrible subject.

and if we even begin to scratch the surface and talk about the problem then i'm a nazi so ok, i'm a huge nazi that just goosestepped from one side of the room to the other.

now what about the problem?

does your concern go any further than dropping the nazi bomb and maybe talking about ways to fix something?

 

There isn't a problem.  

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#38 hartsickdiscipl
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Disgusting and outrageous.  Those responsible should be sterilized.  

Serraph105

yeah cause that's the way to deal with crimes, eye for an eye...........oh wait my sarcasm is made pointless by the existence of the death penalty.

 

What could possibly be more fair than to sterilize them?

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#39 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Disgusting and outrageous.  Those responsible should be sterilized.  

hartsickdiscipl

yeah cause that's the way to deal with crimes, eye for an eye...........oh wait my sarcasm is made pointless by the existence of the death penalty.

 

What could possibly be more fair than to sterilize them?

what if they're already older or do not want to procreate?
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Disgusting and outrageous.  Those responsible should be sterilized.  

hartsickdiscipl

yeah cause that's the way to deal with crimes, eye for an eye...........oh wait my sarcasm is made pointless by the existence of the death penalty.

 

What could possibly be more fair than to sterilize them?

trial by jury, followed by sentencing

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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] and people want to ban abortion... monsters. lostrib

my plan to use the water supply to distribute birth control would almost completly eliminate abortion.

they would be unneeded.

because until you were ready to have children you would just not take the antidote.

it's also a fantasy

oh yeah it is totally a stupid little fantasy i can't disagree with that.

people would never do it even if they were stepping over corpses in the street.

but, it would work like a charm.

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#42 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]my plan to use the water supply to distribute birth control would almost completly eliminate abortion.

they would be unneeded.

because until you were ready to have children you would just not take the antidote.

Riverwolf007

it's also a fantasy

oh yeah it is totally a stupid little fantasy i can't disagree with that.

people would never do it even if they were stepping over corpses in the street.

but, it would work like a charm.

no it wouldn't.  Unless this is a magic drug that you just pulled out of imagination land.  Not to mention possibilities of getting around this drug or countering it

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#43 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] and people want to ban abortion... monsters. comp_atkins

my plan to use the water supply to distribute birth control would almost completly eliminate abortion.

they would be unneeded.

because until you were ready to have children you would just not take the antidote.

you think any system would be 100% effective? look at the planet. it is covered in life. if it's good at nothing else, it's replicating itself, despite hurdled put in it's path :P

nothing would ever be 100% effective.

for one the rich parts of society would bypass it easily just like everything else.

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#44 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

it's also a fantasy

lostrib

oh yeah it is totally a stupid little fantasy i can't disagree with that.

people would never do it even if they were stepping over corpses in the street.

but, it would work like a charm.

no it wouldn't.  Unless this is a magic drug that you just pulled out of imagination land.  Not to mention possibilities of getting around this drug or countering it

we already have the nwo toxifying our water to keep us stupid. we don't need to mix more stuff in. what about harmful drug interactions?
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#45 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]my plan to use the water supply to distribute birth control would almost completly eliminate abortion.

they would be unneeded.

because until you were ready to have children you would just not take the antidote.

Riverwolf007

you think any system would be 100% effective? look at the planet. it is covered in life. if it's good at nothing else, it's replicating itself, despite hurdled put in it's path :P

nothing would ever be 100% effective.

for one the rich parts of society would bypass it easily just like everything else.

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#46 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] you think any system would be 100% effective? look at the planet. it is covered in life. if it's good at nothing else, it's replicating itself, despite hurdled put in it's path :P comp_atkins

nothing would ever be 100% effective.

for one the rich parts of society would bypass it easily just like everything else.

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#47 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Disgusting and outrageous.  Those responsible should be sterilized.  

hartsickdiscipl

yeah cause that's the way to deal with crimes, eye for an eye...........oh wait my sarcasm is made pointless by the existence of the death penalty.

 

What could possibly be more fair than to sterilize them?

Two wrongs and all that....don't be a hypocrite dude.
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

it's also a fantasy

lostrib

oh yeah it is totally a stupid little fantasy i can't disagree with that.

people would never do it even if they were stepping over corpses in the street.

but, it would work like a charm.

no it wouldn't.  Unless this is a magic drug that you just pulled out of imagination land.  Not to mention possibilities of getting around this drug or countering it

i guess we could always just target it then.

maybe put it in mountain dew and super cheap beer.

i think the details we could work around.

what we could never work around is how people freak out if you go after their ability to reproduce.

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#49 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]oh yeah it is totally a stupid little fantasy i can't disagree with that.

people would never do it even if they were stepping over corpses in the street.

but, it would work like a charm.

Riverwolf007

no it wouldn't.  Unless this is a magic drug that you just pulled out of imagination land.  Not to mention possibilities of getting around this drug or countering it

i guess we could always just target it then.

maybe put it in mountain dew and super cheap beer.

i think the details we could work around.

what we could never work around is how people freak out if you go after their ability to reproduce.

Still a terrible plan.  and wouldn't work, don't think there is a lot of moutain dew and cheap beer in the third world

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#50 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]nothing would ever be 100% effective.

for one the rich parts of society would bypass it easily just like everything else.

lostrib

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