Bush Vs. Obama

Which president do you think did a worse job, and why?

Barack* :P

im from Canada so it doesnt really affect me.

Obama's presidency isint over yet..

Even though Obama has years left to screw up something, it doesn't matter because a president cannot be more of a miserable failure than bushco.

Obama is doing what he said he would do. Why is everyone ****ing? I'd rather have a president worry about his own country than invading others, so I say Bush.

Obama's term isn't over yet.

What we need to do is find well made representations online in Fight Night Round 4, and then run a simulation fight. That would be sweet.

Certainly not a fan of Bush, but Obama seems to be on track to be a worse two-term president. If he only serves a single term, provided he continues doing what he is doing at its current rate, I would have to call them even.

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Great idea!

I'd say it's best to compare them once Obama isn't in office anymore. But so far I don't think Obama has done much, but what do I know about politics?

Bush.. He single handedly ressurected McCarthy mentality of either with us or against us, thus committing diplomatic suicide.. The Iraq War fails in all words as sound strategy by making war the very first option with out any talk.. He opened the flood gates of neo conservatism into the government.. He relied heavily off of cronism where party loyalty was far more important then actual competence, experience.. The director of FEMA during Katrina is a big example of this.. His adminstration condoned to even promoting torture within the highly flawed idea of the war on terror.. He also (along with Clinton) did away with alot of the safety net policies set fourth from FDR"s new deal which was trying to prevent economic melt down.. Things like banks being barred from doing risky investments, were allowed to.. And unfortunately Obama adminstration has done little if anything to curb this.. Obama has appeared far more sound as a leader.. He doesn't run off propaganda like "We have to fight them over there, so they don't come over here".. Or "They hate us for our freedoms".. Its hard to tell with Obama, the amount of political hatred that is being directed towards him is shocking.. One thing is for sure, Obama is sure as hell being a superior president when it comes to foriegn diplomacy and overall foreignpolicy.. On domestic issues that remains to be seen, I at least give him credit for not using nationalist proaganda.. Something the Bush adminstration consistently used for their own gains.. Though whether or not his domestic policies will do good entirely up in the air..

What we need to do is find well made representations online in Fight Night Round 4, and then run a simulation fight. That would be sweet.

Heirren

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What we need to do is find well made representations online in Fight Night Round 4, and then run a simulation fight. That would be sweet.

LJS9502_basic

Obama would clearly win, seeing as he saved the universe from the Reapers..

Bush was pretty terrible, and I have not seen anything to my liking from Obama. He still has some time to impress me, but right now, I'm not.

I may eat these words later (you know after Obama is actually done being president) but right now Obama has done a better job than Bush and his administration.

Obama has done something for the average American person at least.

Bush has tried to wiretap our phones, invaded a country for no reason, spent more time vacationing then doing his job, his uptight bass ackwards thinking on stem cell research held out medical science back by 8 years.

Bush gets blindly hated by people who didn't speak up a few years after 2001 to actually put in place the balance of powers we have. Only AFTER everything went to hell in a handbasket with the war in Iraq did people say "oh yeah I never supported it."

I just don't like how fickle America is.

I may eat these words later (you know after Obama is actually done being president) but right now Obama has done a better job than Bush and his administration.

Serraph105

Said it more clearly than I ever could. It certainly isn't hard to do a better job than Bush. What a lazy, half-ass administration that was.

Obama has done something for the average American person at least.

Bush has tried to wiretap our phones, invaded a country for no reason, spent more time vacationing then doing his job, his uptight bass ackwards thinking on stem cell research held out medical science back by 8 years.

SunofVich

Patriot act was passed by a near sweep in the house and senate, or did Bush find a way to completely bypass the entire system of checks and balances.

Did he also somehow find a way to fund the wars by just signing random bills without the approval of the house or senate?

I think most of the rest of the world prefers Obama.jimmyjammer69

The only people who don't seem to like Obama are those that drown themselves in the blabber that's being dribbled out of any television speaker tuned into FOX News.

I'd have to wait until Obama is out of office, it all really went into a massive downwards spiral near the end with Bush Jr's presidency. Something like that could easily happen to Obama depending on his time in office, or it could improve as well.

Bush gets blindly hated by people who didn't speak up a few years after 2001 to actually put in place the balance of powers we have. Only AFTER everything went to hell in a handbasket with the war in Iraq did people say "oh yeah I never supported it."

I just don't like how fickle America is.

Wasdie

I and many others were skeptical about Iraq and some of his other policies from the start. Way to go with the generalizations.

I'd have to wait until Obama is out of office, it all really went into a massive downwards spiral near the end with Bush Jr's presidency. Something like that could easily happen to Obama depending on his time in office, or it could improve as well.

T_P_O

My reasoning is the same as yours.

Obama's presidency isn't over however, there is a good comparison with Reagan and Obama's situation. Both administrations dealt a heavy blow to them with rising unemployment rates. However, both presidents had different views regarding regulation and government control so the outcome of the Obama administration in a couple of years may vary. George W. Bush's administrationsaw something similar to that but with around 6% unemployment rate but then decreased with the economy booming. However, he faced the beginnings of a huge recession and the handling of the whole situation was a mess. It's a bit unfair to point out that the high unemployment rates were the result of the current president's handling. It's a fact that unemployment rates decrease after the GDP increases which it has. You also have to take into account of consumer spending and business profits. Although the unemployment rates were relatively low during the Carter years, there was inflation.

As for foreign policy, Bush was hawkish and so was every other president. I don't see a huge difference in Obama other than wanting to have diplomatic talks with Iran and bowing his head down to foreign leaders. His calls for stricter sanctions against Iran is reminiscent to the situation with Iraq and their unwillingness to talk due to them having WMDs. However, to his supporters, he made the United States seem like a friendly nation. To others, an appeaser.

For domestic policy, the healthcare bill won't have an impact until 2014 so it could possibily be repealed if the GOP ever got into the house and senate. His calls for removing Don't Ask, Don't Tell is a positive but I haven't seen anything on that yet. And he did remove federal restrictions on stem cell research which is wonderful.

Obama did accomplish some big domestic policies where as Bush was herelded when the economy went from bust to boom, whiched helped him in 2004. The economy could make a huge turnaround for Obama, which then he could claim to have "created" a prosporous economy. I can't so who's better right now since Obama is not done. And we haven't seen the effects of the healthcare bill yet.

Bush gets blindly hated by people who didn't speak up a few years after 2001 to actually put in place the balance of powers we have. Only AFTER everything went to hell in a handbasket with the war in Iraq did people say "oh yeah I never supported it."

I just don't like how fickle America is.

Wasdie

Uhh Wasdie, there were tons of big protests on the Iraq War as well as the Patriot Act.. I don't see how you some how think that this resistance magically came out of no where.. I have always been against Bush for things like the Iraq War, Patriot Act, allowing torture, using contractors which the adminstration had personal ties to (Haliburton) which smacks as corruption, as well as his super nationalism he tried to promote.. And the Democrats in office who voted for the said things are just as much to blame for this.

I'd have to wait until Obama is out of office, it all really went into a massive downwards spiral near the end with Bush Jr's presidency. Something like that could easily happen to Obama depending on his time in office, or it could improve as well.

T_P_O

Bush is easily the worst president of the last 80 years. HoolaHoopMan

How is he? I would really like to know.

im from Canada so it doesnt really affect me.

hiphopballer

Same with me :/

Oh, I thought this would be a discussion of who would win in a cage match.

I'm severely disappointed...

Oh, I thought this would be a discussion of who would win in a cage match.

I'm severely disappointed...

MetroidPrimePwn

Let's wait to see how Obama's major decisions affect the long run. WAY too soonfor a fair verdict.

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Oh, I thought this would be a discussion of who would win in a cage match.

I'm severely disappointed...

Serraph105

I'll just be the black guy who just barely heard you say that and pretend i didnt hear it.

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Oh, I thought this would be a discussion of who would win in a cage match.

I'm severely disappointed...

Noskillkill

I'll just be the black guy who just barely heard you say that and pretend i didnt hear it.

Let's wait to see how Obama's major decisions affect the long run. WAY too soonfor a fair verdict.

Noskillkill

Pretty much this. Let's see how the health care bill unfolds.

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Oh, I thought this would be a discussion of who would win in a cage match.

I'm severely disappointed...

Serraph105

Bush is a goddamn ninja. He proved that with the shoe dodging incident.

I'll judge when Obama's done messing up the country.