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The right-wing Breitbart News Network is expanding its U.S. operations and launching sites in Germany and France, its U.S. editor-in-chief told Reuters, as it seeks to monetize the anger and anti-immigrant sentiment unleashed by Donald Trump’s successful presidential campaign.

The planned expansion is one sign of how the right-wing media landscape is shifting in the wake of Trump's campaign to provide a platform for the more radical views that helped fuel the Republican candidate's shock election victory on Tuesday.

Breitbart, whose profile surged when its former head Stephen Bannon was tapped in August to become Trump’s campaign chairman, has been a close ally of the New York real-estate mogul in conservative media. A leading voice of the so-called Alt-Right movement -- a loose-knit movement of white nationalists, anti-Semites and immigration foes -- it regularly attacks Republican Party elites, publishes anti-immigrant themed stories and promotes political conspiracy theories.

Breitbart, which already has a U.K. website, has begun interviewing European journalists to staff the planned new Breitbart France and Breitbart Germany sites, Marlow said. The aim is to help elect right-wing politicians in the two European countries, where anti-immigrant sentiment has been on the rise, sources close to Bannon said.

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NWO!?

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O great, the alt-right propaganda machine is spreading. Ill keep France and Germany in my prayers. These people are so far right that even the far right condemn them.

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They will need it over there.

EU has fallen and France and Germany are ground zero.

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Oh, God, this actually chills my blood. So-called "white nationalism" (read: racism and xenophobia) is on the rise all over the West...where does this end? Does this whole movement blow over, or become something more serious and dangerous? Globalization is not about to stop, so unless every country in Europe is about to build walls around its borders, I just can't figure what the end-goal is here.

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Immigrants are a none-issue in the US (At least in the eyes of a european), in Europe it's a whole different story. Ever been to Paris? Berlin? Greece in general? Or cities like Malmö in Sweden?

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@kend0_kap0ni said:

They will need it over there.

EU has fallen and France and Germany are ground zero.

agreed

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oh no, hitler, nazis, everywhere. dare I say Breitbart is unleashing a blitzkrieg into those countries?

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@iandizion713: Lol,keep them in your prayers?
You would be better off sitting on your hands, at least that would accomplish something...

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@iandizion713: Lol,keep them in your prayers?

You would be better off sitting on your hands, at least that would accomplish something...

No, prayer is not needed. A wish upon the fart of an angel is needed. Saying people are in your prayers is a semi elaborate way of saying "I know you are hurting, but I'm still here." Talking about shit like prayer makes sure the root causes of these problems never get fixed. It's shit like prayer and faith that make people blow up buildings. We need action, not the flip of a coin.

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Well Germany does need a dose of conservatism. Their schools according to a German I know. Teach from an early age that right wing views are Nazi. As this person grew older, he realized how brainwashed the school system made him and his fellow Germans.

And from another source, if you disagree with the Merkel government. Particularly on the refugee issue. You are branded as a Nazi as well. And quite frankly, the German people had enough of that garbage. As shown when Merkel's party lost a ton of power in a recent election.

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@jak42 said:

Well Germany does need a dose of conservatism. Their schools according to a German I know. Teach from an early age that right wing views are Nazi. As this person grew older, he realized how brainwashed the school system made him and his fellow Germans.

And from another source, if you disagree with the Merkel government. Particularly on the refugee issue. You are branded as a Nazi as well. And quite frankly, the German people had enough of that garbage. As shown when Merkel's party lost a ton of power in a recent election.

Merkel's party is the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), a right-wing conservative party. It's a traditional right-wing conservative party, not the "alt-right" brand of conservatism founded by white-supremacists on the internet.

In the Berlin election, the CDU lost to the SPD, a left-wing party. The Neo-Nazi AFD lost to both the SPD and CDU, yet the alt-right are trying to pass off this defeat as some kind of victory.

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That's great news.. euro media landscape has been ruled by the alt left for far too long.

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That's depressing.

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@jak42 said:

Well Germany does need a dose of conservatism. Their schools according to a German I know. Teach from an early age that right wing views are Nazi. As this person grew older, he realized how brainwashed the school system made him and his fellow Germans.

And from another source, if you disagree with the Merkel government. Particularly on the refugee issue. You are branded as a Nazi as well. And quite frankly, the German people had enough of that garbage. As shown when Merkel's party lost a ton of power in a recent election.

lol I'm sure that you know exactly what the German people want.

Merkel's party has lost power... to a left-wing party, but don't let details get in the way of your narrative. Her party and policies are right-wing in Europe.

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@kend0_kap0ni said:

They will need it over there.

EU has fallen and France and Germany are ground zero.

France and most likely Germany will be the countries were the alt right experiences a huge loss next year.Breitbart won't change the alt rights fate in both countries next year.

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@loco145:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Network

The Progressive Governance Network, for which Policy Network acts as the secretariat, brings together progressive heads of state, government ministers, politicians and intellectuals from across the world to address the challenges of globalization. The network's stated goal is to enhance co-operation and links between key progressive policymakers and academics as well as to provide a meeting place for exchanging concrete policies and practices. The Progressive Governance Network was launched in 1999 by U.S. President Bill Clinton, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Tony Blair, Chancellor of Germany Gerhard Schröder, Prime Minister of the Netherlands Wim Kok, and Prime Minister of Italy Massimo D'Alema.

Since its formation in 1999, Progressive Governance conferences have been held in Chile, the United Kingdom, the United States, South Africa, Germany, Norway and Sweden. These conferences have often been hosted by incumbent heads of state including; Chilean President, Michelle Bachelet in 2009; UK Prime Minister, Gordon Brown in 2010; Norwegian Prime Minister, Jens Stoltenberg in 2011, and Irish TánaisteEamon Gilmore in 2012. Participants have included Brazilian presidents Fernando Henrique Cardoso and Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva; U.S. Vice President Joe Biden; Director-General of the World Trade OrganizationPascal Lamy; and Spanish Prime Minister José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. The 2013 Progressive Governance conference was hosted by the Prime Minister of DenmarkHelle Thorning-Schmidt in Copenhagen in April 2013.[20]

The progressive socialist has their global network.

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@Jag85 said:
@jak42 said:

Well Germany does need a dose of conservatism. Their schools according to a German I know. Teach from an early age that right wing views are Nazi. As this person grew older, he realized how brainwashed the school system made him and his fellow Germans.

And from another source, if you disagree with the Merkel government. Particularly on the refugee issue. You are branded as a Nazi as well. And quite frankly, the German people had enough of that garbage. As shown when Merkel's party lost a ton of power in a recent election.

Merkel's party is the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), a right-wing conservative party. It's a traditional right-wing conservative party, not the "alt-right" brand of conservatism founded by white-supremacists on the internet.

In the Berlin election, the CDU lost to the SPD, a left-wing party. The Neo-Nazi AFD lost to both the SPD and CDU, yet the alt-right are trying to pass off this defeat as some kind of victory.

Merkel has a background from Soviet era socialist. Merkel was a member of the Free German Youth (FDJ), the official youth movement sponsored by the ruling Socialist Unity Party.

In 1989, Merkel got involved in the growing democracy movement after the fall of the Berlin Wall, joining the new party Democratic Awakening. Following the first (and only) multi-party election of the East German state, she became the deputy spokesperson of the new pre-unification caretaker government under Lothar de Maizière.[36] In April 1990, the Democratic Awakening merged with the East German CDU, which in turn merged with its western counterpart after reunification.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Awakening

Christian Democratic Union (CDU) of East Germany, which had been a party in the socialist-dominated democratic block of parties and mass organisations and had supported the Communist regime

Follow the chain...

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Monetize the anger and anti-immigrant sentiment?

Well atleast they're honest about why they want to rile up more violence and racism.

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@ronvalencia said:
@Jag85 said:
@jak42 said:

Well Germany does need a dose of conservatism. Their schools according to a German I know. Teach from an early age that right wing views are Nazi. As this person grew older, he realized how brainwashed the school system made him and his fellow Germans.

And from another source, if you disagree with the Merkel government. Particularly on the refugee issue. You are branded as a Nazi as well. And quite frankly, the German people had enough of that garbage. As shown when Merkel's party lost a ton of power in a recent election.

Merkel's party is the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), a right-wing conservative party. It's a traditional right-wing conservative party, not the "alt-right" brand of conservatism founded by white-supremacists on the internet.

In the Berlin election, the CDU lost to the SPD, a left-wing party. The Neo-Nazi AFD lost to both the SPD and CDU, yet the alt-right are trying to pass off this defeat as some kind of victory.

Merkel has a background from Soviet era socialist. Merkel was a member of the Free German Youth (FDJ), the official youth movement sponsored by the ruling Socialist Unity Party.

In 1989, Merkel got involved in the growing democracy movement after the fall of the Berlin Wall, joining the new party Democratic Awakening. Following the first (and only) multi-party election of the East German state, she became the deputy spokesperson of the new pre-unification caretaker government under Lothar de Maizière.[36] In April 1990, the Democratic Awakening merged with the East German CDU, which in turn merged with its western counterpart after reunification.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Awakening

Christian Democratic Union (CDU) of East Germany, which had been a party in the socialist-dominated democratic block of parties and mass organisations and had supported the Communist regime

Follow the chain...

The chain is very weak. You're talking about a completely different Cold War era, when East Germany didn't have democracy and was ruled by a Communist regime. Following the fall of the Berlin Wall, whatever happened in the former East Germany before that is irrelevant. What matters is what happened after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

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@Jag85 said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Jag85 said:
@jak42 said:

Well Germany does need a dose of conservatism. Their schools according to a German I know. Teach from an early age that right wing views are Nazi. As this person grew older, he realized how brainwashed the school system made him and his fellow Germans.

And from another source, if you disagree with the Merkel government. Particularly on the refugee issue. You are branded as a Nazi as well. And quite frankly, the German people had enough of that garbage. As shown when Merkel's party lost a ton of power in a recent election.

Merkel's party is the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), a right-wing conservative party. It's a traditional right-wing conservative party, not the "alt-right" brand of conservatism founded by white-supremacists on the internet.

In the Berlin election, the CDU lost to the SPD, a left-wing party. The Neo-Nazi AFD lost to both the SPD and CDU, yet the alt-right are trying to pass off this defeat as some kind of victory.

Merkel has a background from Soviet era socialist. Merkel was a member of the Free German Youth (FDJ), the official youth movement sponsored by the ruling Socialist Unity Party.

In 1989, Merkel got involved in the growing democracy movement after the fall of the Berlin Wall, joining the new party Democratic Awakening. Following the first (and only) multi-party election of the East German state, she became the deputy spokesperson of the new pre-unification caretaker government under Lothar de Maizière.[36] In April 1990, the Democratic Awakening merged with the East German CDU, which in turn merged with its western counterpart after reunification.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Awakening

Christian Democratic Union (CDU) of East Germany, which had been a party in the socialist-dominated democratic block of parties and mass organisations and had supported the Communist regime

Follow the chain...

The chain is very weak. You're talking about a completely different Cold War era, when East Germany didn't have democracy and was ruled by a Communist regime. Following the fall of the Berlin Wall, whatever happened in the former East Germany before that is irrelevant. What matters is what happened after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

The chain is very strong... Merkel's approach for the queue jumpers are from global progressives establishment policies.

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I refuse to believe that the French and German people are dumb enough to take breitbart seriously. Please tell me Europeans are not just as stupid as the average uneducated American? It seems impossible.

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@super600 said:
@kend0_kap0ni said:

They will need it over there.

EU has fallen and France and Germany are ground zero.

France and most likely Germany will be the countries were the alt right experiences a huge loss next year.Breitbart won't change the alt rights fate in both countries next year.

they wont change it, but censorship is controlling new outlets over there, Brietbart will try to fight the censorship which is a good thing, whether or not they make any grounds.

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@mark1974 said:

I refuse to believe that the French and German people are dumb enough to take breitbart seriously. Please tell me Europeans are not just as stupid as the average uneducated American? It seems impossible.

Labeling any criticism on Islamic ideology as racist shows the uneducated hypocrites i.e. Islam is not limited to a single race.

@loco145:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

>90 percent of mainstream media establishment was against Trump.

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@kend0_kap0ni said:
@super600 said:
@kend0_kap0ni said:

They will need it over there.

EU has fallen and France and Germany are ground zero.

France and most likely Germany will be the countries were the alt right experiences a huge loss next year.Breitbart won't change the alt rights fate in both countries next year.

they wont change it, but censorship is controlling new outlets over there, Brietbart will try to fight the censorship which is a good thing, whether or not they make and grounds.

Nah. Breitbart is trying to indirectly help two politcal parties and their leaders that are way more unpopular than the republican party in the US. It has nothing to do with censorship because not many people in those countries will care about Breitbart. Also it's likely Breitbart will have to be make sure their french and german branches don't break any laws there.

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Since it hasn't already been mentioned yet in this thread:

Breitbart is a website dedicated to the alt-right movement. What is the alt-right movement? It was founded by a white-nationalist, Richard Spencer. Breitbart was founded as a fan site for Spencer's alt-right movement, providing a platform for Spencer and other alt-right figures. The roots of the alt-right movement (which propelled Trump and Bannon into the White House) is white nationalism.

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So... nobody learned even one lesson about calling everyone a nazi?

Ok, looks like Le Pen is a shoe-in.

Good job.

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Here's Why It's Fair—and Necessary—to Call Trump's Chief Strategist a White Nationalist Champion

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In March, the website published an article headlined "An Establishment Conservative's Guide to the Alt-Right," which was co-written by Milo Yiannopoulos, a prominent figure in the movement. It noted that the alt-right opposed "full 'integration'" of racial groups: "The alt-right believe that some degree of separation between peoples is necessary for a culture to be preserved." This piece cited Richard Spencer, a 30-something Duke Ph.D. dropout, and his AlternativeRight.com website as "a center of alt-right thought."

What does Spencer, the intellectual guru of the movement, advocate? He is quite explicit: an all-white United States. This is not a secret. In a recent interview with Mother Jones, Spencer explained his belief that America's white population is endangered, due to multiculturalism and immigration, and he advocated "a renewed Roman Empire," a dictatorship where only white people could be citizens. "You cannot view another white person as your enemy," he remarked. His goal is a white ethnostate. How to get there may be unclear. He added that he hoped America's nonwhites can be convinced to leave the country on their accord: "It's like presenting to an African that this hasn't worked out. We haven't made each other happier. We are going to have to take part in this paradigmatic shift together." During the campaign, Spencer declared, Trump "loves white people."

Race is central to the alt-right. Ben Shapiro, a former Breitbart editor, notes, "The alt-right, in a nutshell, believes that Western culture is inseparable from European ethnicity." That is, being white. Whether its activists prefer white nationalism (saying that different races can't get along so nonwhites should somehow be separated from white America) or white supremacism (saying that whites are inherently superior to others), this is a racist movement. And its activists have also traded in anti-Semitism, often hurling anti-Semitic jabs at journalists who write about the alt-right or Trump. By the way, Bannon's ex-wife did once accuse him of making anti-Semitic remarks.

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@Riverwolf007:

Are you for or against the alt-right movement and do you agree with what Richard Spencer says regarding race?

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@pokemon4597 said:

Oh, God, this actually chills my blood. So-called "white nationalism" (read: racism and xenophobia) is on the rise all over the West...where does this end? Does this whole movement blow over, or become something more serious and dangerous? Globalization is not about to stop, so unless every country in Europe is about to build walls around its borders, I just can't figure what the end-goal is here.

Oh YES this is what we should be concerned about.. Not the increasing amounts of Islamic terrorist attacks happening THROUGH OUT the region now.. This is a direct reaction to this horse shit, where even voicing concern brands you as a racist.. You want it to stop? Stop fucking saying everything is racist or xenophobic.. When a legitimate concern is brought up, which is proven by statistics, like the increasing amounts of terrorist attacks in the region after the refugee crisis, provide a solution or a counter argument.. Stop crying that its racist or other such horse shit..... Trump winning is a direct reaction to this horse shit.. You are to blame for Trump, get that through your head... More serious and dangerous? You mean like the current radical Islamic movement happening through out the region that has led to numerous terrorist attacks.. Meanwhile you're fearmongering about a bogeyman that has done absolutely nothing in comparison.. Where the most "extreme" politicians who were branded "racists and xenophobes" said that they would not open their borders due to security concern based upon the problems currently happening in Germany and France..

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@Riverwolf007 said:

So... nobody learned even one lesson about calling everyone a nazi?

Ok, looks like Le Pen is a shoe-in.

Good job.

A guy just got elected and one of his "best" qualities was "he tells it like it is". Why is the reich-wing allowed to do that but not liberals?

Also, Le Pen will lose lol France isn't America nor the UK

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@sSubZerOo said:
@pokemon4597 said:

Oh, God, this actually chills my blood. So-called "white nationalism" (read: racism and xenophobia) is on the rise all over the West...where does this end? Does this whole movement blow over, or become something more serious and dangerous? Globalization is not about to stop, so unless every country in Europe is about to build walls around its borders, I just can't figure what the end-goal is here.

Oh YES this is what we should be concerned about.. Not the increasing amounts of Islamic terrorist attacks happening THROUGH OUT the region now.. This is a direct reaction to this horse shit, where even voicing concern brands you as a racist.. You want it to stop? Stop fucking saying everything is racist or xenophobic.. When a legitimate concern is brought up, which is proven by statistics, like the increasing amounts of terrorist attacks in the region after the refugee crisis, provide a solution or a counter argument.. Stop crying that its racist or other such horse shit..... Trump winning is a direct reaction to this horse shit.. You are to blame for Trump, get that through your head... More serious and dangerous? You mean like the current radical Islamic movement happening through out the region that has led to numerous terrorist attacks.. Meanwhile you're fearmongering about a bogeyman that has done absolutely nothing in comparison.. Where the most "extreme" politicians who were branded "racists and xenophobes" said that they would not open their borders due to security concern based upon the problems currently happening in Germany and France..

Annual homicides and homicide rates:

USA - 12,253 killed (3.9 per 100,000)

France - 792 killed (1.2 per 100,000)

Germany - 716 killed (0.9 per 100,000)

America is a far more dangerous place than Western Europe.

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@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@pokemon4597 said:

Oh, God, this actually chills my blood. So-called "white nationalism" (read: racism and xenophobia) is on the rise all over the West...where does this end? Does this whole movement blow over, or become something more serious and dangerous? Globalization is not about to stop, so unless every country in Europe is about to build walls around its borders, I just can't figure what the end-goal is here.

Oh YES this is what we should be concerned about.. Not the increasing amounts of Islamic terrorist attacks happening THROUGH OUT the region now.. This is a direct reaction to this horse shit, where even voicing concern brands you as a racist.. You want it to stop? Stop fucking saying everything is racist or xenophobic.. When a legitimate concern is brought up, which is proven by statistics, like the increasing amounts of terrorist attacks in the region after the refugee crisis, provide a solution or a counter argument.. Stop crying that its racist or other such horse shit..... Trump winning is a direct reaction to this horse shit.. You are to blame for Trump, get that through your head... More serious and dangerous? You mean like the current radical Islamic movement happening through out the region that has led to numerous terrorist attacks.. Meanwhile you're fearmongering about a bogeyman that has done absolutely nothing in comparison.. Where the most "extreme" politicians who were branded "racists and xenophobes" said that they would not open their borders due to security concern based upon the problems currently happening in Germany and France..

Homicides and homicide rates by country:

USA - 12,253 killed (3.9 per 100,000)

France - 792 killed (1.2 per 100,000)

Germany - 716 killed (0.9 per 100,000)

America is a far more dangerous place than Western Europe.

I am talking from the perspective of a European.. I agree United States is far more dangerous.. But the fact of the matter there are legitimate concerns to be made with the situation happening if you live within that region.. Concerns that have been completely shut down with said rhetoric.. Where we had the French PM booed off stage after he said to "live with terrorism".. And if you continue to shut it down with ad hominess you will see what happened in the United States happen in Europe.. Merkel's party for instance got their asses trounced last election. I don't want to see extreme right wing parties to take over, as a liberal I am against that, but this kind of mindset will guarantee this to happen.

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I am talking from the perspective of a European.. I agree United States is far more dangerous.. But the fact of the matter there are legitimate concerns to be made with the situation happening if you live within that region.. Concerns that have been completely shut down with said rhetoric.. Where we had the French PM booed off stage after he said to "live with terrorism".. And if you continue to shut it down with ad hominess you will see what happened in the United States happen in Europe.. Merkel's party for instance got their asses trounced last election. I don't want to see extreme right wing parties to take over, as a liberal I am against that, but this kind of mindset will guarantee this to happen.

Merkel's party lost out to a left-wing party. Merkel is very much right-wing in the European context.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@pokemon4597 said:

Oh, God, this actually chills my blood. So-called "white nationalism" (read: racism and xenophobia) is on the rise all over the West...where does this end? Does this whole movement blow over, or become something more serious and dangerous? Globalization is not about to stop, so unless every country in Europe is about to build walls around its borders, I just can't figure what the end-goal is here.

Oh YES this is what we should be concerned about.. Not the increasing amounts of Islamic terrorist attacks happening THROUGH OUT the region now.. This is a direct reaction to this horse shit, where even voicing concern brands you as a racist.. You want it to stop? Stop fucking saying everything is racist or xenophobic.. When a legitimate concern is brought up, which is proven by statistics, like the increasing amounts of terrorist attacks in the region after the refugee crisis, provide a solution or a counter argument.. Stop crying that its racist or other such horse shit..... Trump winning is a direct reaction to this horse shit.. You are to blame for Trump, get that through your head... More serious and dangerous? You mean like the current radical Islamic movement happening through out the region that has led to numerous terrorist attacks.. Meanwhile you're fearmongering about a bogeyman that has done absolutely nothing in comparison.. Where the most "extreme" politicians who were branded "racists and xenophobes" said that they would not open their borders due to security concern based upon the problems currently happening in Germany and France..

Homicides and homicide rates by country:

USA - 12,253 killed (3.9 per 100,000)

France - 792 killed (1.2 per 100,000)

Germany - 716 killed (0.9 per 100,000)

America is a far more dangerous place than Western Europe.

I am talking from the perspective of a European.. I agree United States is far more dangerous.. But the fact of the matter there are legitimate concerns to be made with the situation happening if you live within that region.. Concerns that have been completely shut down with said rhetoric.. Where we had the French PM booed off stage after he said to "live with terrorism".. And if you continue to shut it down with ad hominess you will see what happened in the United States happen in Europe.. Merkel's party for instance got their asses trounced last election. I don't want to see extreme right wing parties to take over, as a liberal I am against that, but this kind of mindset will guarantee this to happen.

There is no statistical correlation between the number of refugees and the number of terror-related deaths:

Germany has taken in the most refugees in Western Europe, more than the other Western European countries combined. And yet Germany has had only 4 deaths from Islamist terror attacks this year, and only 1 last year. In fact, the biggest terror attack in Germany this year was by a Neo-Nazi extremist, who killed 10 people, all of whom were foreigners and 7 of whom were Muslims. Neo-Nazis are a bigger terror threat to Germany than Islamists.

In comparison, France has only taken in a small fraction of the refugees that Germany has taken in, yet France has had 88 deaths from terror attacks this year, and 149 last year.

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@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:

Oh YES this is what we should be concerned about.. Not the increasing amounts of Islamic terrorist attacks happening THROUGH OUT the region now.. This is a direct reaction to this horse shit, where even voicing concern brands you as a racist.. You want it to stop? Stop fucking saying everything is racist or xenophobic.. When a legitimate concern is brought up, which is proven by statistics, like the increasing amounts of terrorist attacks in the region after the refugee crisis, provide a solution or a counter argument.. Stop crying that its racist or other such horse shit..... Trump winning is a direct reaction to this horse shit.. You are to blame for Trump, get that through your head... More serious and dangerous? You mean like the current radical Islamic movement happening through out the region that has led to numerous terrorist attacks.. Meanwhile you're fearmongering about a bogeyman that has done absolutely nothing in comparison.. Where the most "extreme" politicians who were branded "racists and xenophobes" said that they would not open their borders due to security concern based upon the problems currently happening in Germany and France..

Homicides and homicide rates by country:

USA - 12,253 killed (3.9 per 100,000)

France - 792 killed (1.2 per 100,000)

Germany - 716 killed (0.9 per 100,000)

America is a far more dangerous place than Western Europe.

I am talking from the perspective of a European.. I agree United States is far more dangerous.. But the fact of the matter there are legitimate concerns to be made with the situation happening if you live within that region.. Concerns that have been completely shut down with said rhetoric.. Where we had the French PM booed off stage after he said to "live with terrorism".. And if you continue to shut it down with ad hominess you will see what happened in the United States happen in Europe.. Merkel's party for instance got their asses trounced last election. I don't want to see extreme right wing parties to take over, as a liberal I am against that, but this kind of mindset will guarantee this to happen.

There is no statistical correlation between the number of refugees and the number of terror-related deaths:

Germany has taken in the most refugees in Western Europe, more than the other Western European countries combined. And yet Germany has had only 4 deaths from Islamist terror attacks this year, and only 1 last year. In fact, the biggest terror attack in Germany this year was by a Neo-Nazi extremist, who killed 10 people, all of whom were foreigners and 7 of whom were Muslims.

In comparison, France has only taken in a small fraction of the refugees that Germany has taken in, yet France has had 88 deaths from terror attacks this year, and 149 last year.

If you do a comparison with the terrorist attacks in the past 4 years.. And compare them to earlier times within France, you will find it takes nearly 20 years before it gets close to the number of events that has happened these past 4 years.. .. Funny enough that is only matched when Hezbollah attacked them during the 1980s..

Really so we are going to completely ignore the Cologne new years sexual assault attacks? I mean there is a reason why Merkel's party got her ass kicked last election..

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So... nobody learned even one lesson about calling everyone a nazi?

Ok, looks like Le Pen is a shoe-in.

Good job.

A guy just got elected and one of his "best" qualities was "he tells it like it is". Why is the reich-wing allowed to do that but not liberals?

Also, Le Pen will lose lol France isn't America nor the UK

Because the left won the culture war and it destroyed them.

They went from having to have an argument like I have made against conservatives a million times to calling everyone names then saying peace out and dropping the mic.

I watched the people on my side of the political left turn into the very people i hated on the right.

The entirety of the argument now is "I am good and you are evil."

I didn't put up with that nonsense when it was the moral majority and i sure as shit am going to ridicule it now that it is the main argument from the left.

My side has turned into vapid, self serving, holier than thou moralists that can't argue their way out of a wet paper sack and that is now the exact reason the democrats have all the power of a 25 watt light bulb.

You guys can keep it up or learn a lesson.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@Jag85 said:

Homicides and homicide rates by country:

USA - 12,253 killed (3.9 per 100,000)

France - 792 killed (1.2 per 100,000)

Germany - 716 killed (0.9 per 100,000)

America is a far more dangerous place than Western Europe.

I am talking from the perspective of a European.. I agree United States is far more dangerous.. But the fact of the matter there are legitimate concerns to be made with the situation happening if you live within that region.. Concerns that have been completely shut down with said rhetoric.. Where we had the French PM booed off stage after he said to "live with terrorism".. And if you continue to shut it down with ad hominess you will see what happened in the United States happen in Europe.. Merkel's party for instance got their asses trounced last election. I don't want to see extreme right wing parties to take over, as a liberal I am against that, but this kind of mindset will guarantee this to happen.

There is no statistical correlation between the number of refugees and the number of terror-related deaths:

Germany has taken in the most refugees in Western Europe, more than the other Western European countries combined. And yet Germany has had only 4 deaths from Islamist terror attacks this year, and only 1 last year. In fact, the biggest terror attack in Germany this year was by a Neo-Nazi extremist, who killed 10 people, all of whom were foreigners and 7 of whom were Muslims.

In comparison, France has only taken in a small fraction of the refugees that Germany has taken in, yet France has had 88 deaths from terror attacks this year, and 149 last year.

If you do a comparison with the terrorist attacks in the past 4 years.. And compare them to earlier times within France, you will find it takes nearly 20 years before it gets close to the number of events that has happened these past 4 years.. .. Funny enough that is only matched when Hezbollah attacked them during the 1980s..

Really so we are going to completely ignore the Cologne new years sexual assault attacks? I mean there is a reason why Merkel's party got her ass kicked last election..

According to the German Federal Police, there have been more than 7,300 reported sexual assaults in Germany every year, even before the refugee crisis. According to the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights, 1 in 3 women in the EU have experienced sexual assault.

Right-wing media attempt to portray sexual assault as an issue exclusive to immigrants, while turning a blind eye to locals who do the same thing. It shows that they have no real concern for women's rights, but are only concerned about bashing immigrants.

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@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@Jag85 said:

Homicides and homicide rates by country:

USA - 12,253 killed (3.9 per 100,000)

France - 792 killed (1.2 per 100,000)

Germany - 716 killed (0.9 per 100,000)

America is a far more dangerous place than Western Europe.

I am talking from the perspective of a European.. I agree United States is far more dangerous.. But the fact of the matter there are legitimate concerns to be made with the situation happening if you live within that region.. Concerns that have been completely shut down with said rhetoric.. Where we had the French PM booed off stage after he said to "live with terrorism".. And if you continue to shut it down with ad hominess you will see what happened in the United States happen in Europe.. Merkel's party for instance got their asses trounced last election. I don't want to see extreme right wing parties to take over, as a liberal I am against that, but this kind of mindset will guarantee this to happen.

There is no statistical correlation between the number of refugees and the number of terror-related deaths:

Germany has taken in the most refugees in Western Europe, more than the other Western European countries combined. And yet Germany has had only 4 deaths from Islamist terror attacks this year, and only 1 last year. In fact, the biggest terror attack in Germany this year was by a Neo-Nazi extremist, who killed 10 people, all of whom were foreigners and 7 of whom were Muslims.

In comparison, France has only taken in a small fraction of the refugees that Germany has taken in, yet France has had 88 deaths from terror attacks this year, and 149 last year.

If you do a comparison with the terrorist attacks in the past 4 years.. And compare them to earlier times within France, you will find it takes nearly 20 years before it gets close to the number of events that has happened these past 4 years.. .. Funny enough that is only matched when Hezbollah attacked them during the 1980s..

Really so we are going to completely ignore the Cologne new years sexual assault attacks? I mean there is a reason why Merkel's party got her ass kicked last election..

According to the German Federal Police, there have been more than 7,300 reported sexual assaults in Germany every year, before the refugee crisis. According to the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights, 1 in 3 women in the EU have experienced sexual assault.

Right-wing media attempt to portray sexual assault as an issue exclusive to immigrants, while turning a blind eye to locals who do the same thing. It shows that they have no real concern for women's rights, but are only concerned about bashing immigrants.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7557/germany-rape-migrants-crisis Yep all right wing propaganda, it has absolutely nothing to do with a culture clash of a new included migrants who have come from cultures in which women are treated like second class citizens..... Oh clearly the west is the rape culture, not Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc etc.. You mean the very same German Federal Police who have been accused for the past few years now in underreporting the crimes due to the political fallout that would happen with Merkel?

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@sSubZerOo said:
@Jag85 said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@Jag85 said:

There is no statistical correlation between the number of refugees and the number of terror-related deaths:

Germany has taken in the most refugees in Western Europe, more than the other Western European countries combined. And yet Germany has had only 4 deaths from Islamist terror attacks this year, and only 1 last year. In fact, the biggest terror attack in Germany this year was by a Neo-Nazi extremist, who killed 10 people, all of whom were foreigners and 7 of whom were Muslims.

In comparison, France has only taken in a small fraction of the refugees that Germany has taken in, yet France has had 88 deaths from terror attacks this year, and 149 last year.

If you do a comparison with the terrorist attacks in the past 4 years.. And compare them to earlier times within France, you will find it takes nearly 20 years before it gets close to the number of events that has happened these past 4 years.. .. Funny enough that is only matched when Hezbollah attacked them during the 1980s..

Really so we are going to completely ignore the Cologne new years sexual assault attacks? I mean there is a reason why Merkel's party got her ass kicked last election..

According to the German Federal Police, there have been more than 7,300 reported sexual assaults in Germany every year, before the refugee crisis. According to the EU Agency for Fundamental Rights, 1 in 3 women in the EU have experienced sexual assault.

Right-wing media attempt to portray sexual assault as an issue exclusive to immigrants, while turning a blind eye to locals who do the same thing. It shows that they have no real concern for women's rights, but are only concerned about bashing immigrants.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7557/germany-rape-migrants-crisis Yep all right wing propaganda, it has absolutely nothing to do with a culture clash of a new included migrants who have come from cultures in which women are treated like second class citizens..... Oh clearly the west is the rape culture, not Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc etc.. You mean the very same German Federal Police who have been accused for the past few years now in underreporting the crimes due to the political fallout that would happen with Merkel?

That's an unreliable partisan source with an obvious political agenda. The only reliable bipartisan source on German crime statistics is the German Federal Police. Every year, for the past few years, long before the refugee crisis, there have been more than 7,300 reported sexual assaults in Germany every year. The EU's Agency for Fundamental Rights also reported that 1 in 3 women in the EU have experienced sexual assault. And let's not forget that a man who bragged about sexual assault has been elected to the White House in the US. Rape culture is not exclusive to any particular ethnicities or cultures, but is a worldwide issue found all across the world.

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So... nobody learned even one lesson about calling everyone a nazi?

Ok, looks like Le Pen is a shoe-in.

Good job.

Le Pen is the leader of a political party that when they snuck into the second round of the presidential election in 2002 their candidate le pen's father lost 82.2%-17.8% which is still one of the biggest losses for a politcal party in the modern era in the west. Her father faced someone who people thought was an actual crook. They thought le pen's father was a facist. They were a ton of protests against her father and people on the left and right joined forces with the help of literally all of the political parties in france to crush Le Pen's father. After that election the FN never got into the second round again. Marine Le Pen eventually took control of the FN in 2011 from her father and in the next major election which was the 2012 french presidential election le pen finished in a distant third in the first round while the mainstream parties finished in the high 20's in that round. In the last few years the FN has had some success and they had some failures like the French regional elections last year were they looked like they would win a bunch of regions in that election in the second round but the right and left yet again joined forces to prevent them from winning any regions. The socialist withdrew from almost all the weakest regions in the second round to make it easier for the right to win seats and regions in the second round and to block the FN from winning any seats or regions. The FN ended up winning zero seats and regions in that election despite doing slightly worse then the socialists. Now on to the french presidential elections. At this point it looks like someone from the right(most likely Nathan Fillion) will face off against Le Pen who has a decent shot of getting to the second round of that election. Most polls show almost every candidate from the two mainstream parties besides Hollande beating le pen in a landslide if she gets past the first round of that election even though I'm not sure if sarkozy will beat her in a landslide. If Alaine Juppe gets to the second round which is likely at this point polls on average show her losing by 40 points against him even though none of these polls were conducted after the recent US presidential election. It is almost impossible at this point for Le Pen to win the french presidential election because Le Pen and the FN are so unpopular that they won't be able to reduce the huge lead any of her potential opponents including Juppe have against her in polls at this point by enough to win the french presidential election next year.Le Pen and her party have none of the advantages trump and the republicans had in the US presidential election this year also so it's very unlikely she wins the next french presidential election.

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Great, they're taking the rest of the western world with them. Russia will be happy they probably got them at a bargain.

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Since it hasn't already been mentioned yet in this thread:

Breitbart is a website dedicated to the alt-right movement. What is the alt-right movement? It was founded by a white-nationalist, Richard Spencer. Breitbart was founded as a fan site for Spencer's alt-right movement, providing a platform for Spencer and other alt-right figures. The roots of the alt-right movement (which propelled Trump and Bannon into the White House) is white nationalism.

White nationalism is a bit of a redunant term in this context. Nationalism is nationalism - they just so happen to be white. But it's a loaded term. Their brand of nationalism isn't focused on white people, but American culture. There's absolutely nothing in Breitbart to suggest that they want segregation of race or supremacy of whites. Just segregation of culture. Those are two very different things. I imagine they want a world of strong communities rather than one big mediocre community. The subject is probably one of the most misunderstood I've seen. Tons of places on earth have very strong ethnocentric communities...but it's only criticized when those people are white.

At its very core, nationalism is just about putting the priorities of your nation ahead of other nations. I have a difficult time understanding the negative connotations people attach to the idea. Opposing nationalism is basically just opposing patriotism.

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@KHAndAnime said:
@Jag85 said:

Since it hasn't already been mentioned yet in this thread:

Breitbart is a website dedicated to the alt-right movement. What is the alt-right movement? It was founded by a white-nationalist, Richard Spencer. Breitbart was founded as a fan site for Spencer's alt-right movement, providing a platform for Spencer and other alt-right figures. The roots of the alt-right movement (which propelled Trump and Bannon into the White House) is white nationalism.

White nationalism is a bit of a redunant term in this context. Nationalism is nationalism - they just so happen to be white. But it's a loaded term. Their brand of nationalism isn't focused on white people, but American culture. There's absolutely nothing in Breitbart to suggest that they want segregation of race or supremacy of whites. Just segregation of culture. Those are two very different things. I imagine they want a world of strong communities rather than one big mediocre community. The subject is probably one of the most misunderstood I've seen. Tons of places on earth have very strong ethnocentric communities...but it's only criticized when those people are white.

At its very core, nationalism is just about putting the priorities of your nation ahead of other nations. I have a difficult time understanding the negative connotations people attach to the idea. Opposing nationalism is basically just opposing patriotism.

It's not just cultural, but racial nationalism, as I've mentioned above:

@Jag85 said:

Here's Why It's Fair—and Necessary—to Call Trump's Chief Strategist a White Nationalist Champion

...

In March, the website published an article headlined "An Establishment Conservative's Guide to the Alt-Right," which was co-written by Milo Yiannopoulos, a prominent figure in the movement. It noted that the alt-right opposed "full 'integration'" of racial groups: "The alt-right believe that some degree of separation between peoples is necessary for a culture to be preserved." This piece cited Richard Spencer, a 30-something Duke Ph.D. dropout, and his AlternativeRight.com website as "a center of alt-right thought."

What does Spencer, the intellectual guru of the movement, advocate? He is quite explicit: an all-white United States. This is not a secret. In a recent interview with Mother Jones, Spencer explained his belief that America's white population is endangered, due to multiculturalism and immigration, and he advocated "a renewed Roman Empire," a dictatorship where only white people could be citizens. "You cannot view another white person as your enemy," he remarked. His goal is a white ethnostate. How to get there may be unclear. He added that he hoped America's nonwhites can be convinced to leave the country on their accord: "It's like presenting to an African that this hasn't worked out. We haven't made each other happier. We are going to have to take part in this paradigmatic shift together." During the campaign, Spencer declared, Trump "loves white people."

Race is central to the alt-right. Ben Shapiro, a former Breitbart editor, notes, "The alt-right, in a nutshell, believes that Western culture is inseparable from European ethnicity." That is, being white. Whether its activists prefer white nationalism (saying that different races can't get along so nonwhites should somehow be separated from white America) or white supremacism (saying that whites are inherently superior to others), this is a racist movement. And its activists have also traded in anti-Semitism, often hurling anti-Semitic jabs at journalists who write about the alt-right or Trump. By the way, Bannon's ex-wife did once accuse him of making anti-Semitic remarks.

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@KHAndAnime: I don't want to live in a seggregated culture. I live in the city I do on purpose because I enjoy living in a multicultural environment. The problem with white nationalists is that they want to live in a seggregated community and assume everyone else does as well when that is actually not the case. Are nationalists going to force me to live in a seggregated community? Most people can see how backwards and hateful those feelings are.