BBC: More than 10 Palestinians killed in an Israeli strike on thier house

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But they are one of the main causes. Everything you say about how the bordering Arab states can help out Palestinian refugees applies to Israel ten-fold. -Sun_Tzu-

It is important to recognize that Israel is an occupying power in this relationship. That's not to say that Israel is responsible for all of the problems in the region and if Israel were to cease to exist everything would be fine, but they are still responsible for a substantial amount of the suffering that Palestinians endure on a daily basis. Maybe Israel's actions are justified, maybe they aren't, but these aren't facts that can be easily glossed over.

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land their parents were born on.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] Israel with an arab majority would not be Israel. It would be another sh*tty arab country with a large non-muslim minority, like lebanon.

cslayer211

It is important to recognize that Israel is an occupying power in this relationship. That's not to say that Israel is responsible for all of the problems in the region and if Israel were to cease to exist everything would be fine, but they are still responsible for a substantial amount of the suffering that Palestinians endure on a daily basis. Maybe Israel's actions are justified, maybe they aren't, but these aren't facts that can be easily glossed over.

Man this is beyond excessive.

But at least for those kids, the pain and fear is over.

Those are the lucky ones though because they wont be the ones who will essentially be shepherd into a life terrorism after watching their loved ones die at the hands of the nation that oppressed them.

Israel is way too sloppy with this because they're really just creating more opposition instead of easing them.

Oh well, I just hope the primary target of these terrorists remains solely on Israel and doesn't go anywhere near the US.

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

BossPerson

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in.

Man this is beyond excessive.

But at least for those kids, the pain and fear is over.

Those are the lucky ones though because they wont be the ones who will essentially be shepherd into a life terrorism after watching their loved ones die at the hands of the nation that oppressed them.

Israel is way too sloppy with this because they're really just creating more opposition instead of easing them.

Oh well, I just hope the primary target of these terrorists remains solely on Israel and doesn't go anywhere near the US.

Rockman999

+1

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in originally.

Fixed.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

BossPerson

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

WhiteKnight77

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in originally.

Fixed.

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

WhiteKnight77

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in originally.

Fixed.

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

BossPerson

TBH, I think it's been a rule for a while. In the case of Israel, however, many people pretend it didn't really happen outside of the region ('Murica).

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] The best part is when my bed shakes like crazy with every air strike.cslayer211

jesus, how can you live like that, knowing that at any given moment it may come down on you?

I cant even imagine

I wish you the best of luck man

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

BossPerson

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in.

1. Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in.
2. Second ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to violate New Rule in order to revert previous infractions of New Rule.
3. Third ammendment to the New Rule: The New Rule is subordinate to existing property laws.
4. Corollary to Third ammendment to the New Rule: New Rule is applicable only where property laws are absent or indeterminate.

I think I need beans to help sort this out. HELP ME BEANS.

What do you hope to get out of this thread? is it pity? is it sympathy? What do you want us to say? The same crap everyone says but doesn't mean? "Oh how tragic how sad oh my gosh war is terrible". Only 2 factions can stop this whether they want to stop this or not, is up to them. Shall we convict Israel for collateral damage? Shall we condemn the Hamas members who use their families as meatshields. I don't understand what you want from this thread. Most us have already seen the pictures, we've already seen the tragedy. Do you know why this is not happening to Israel, because they protect their people, not use them as way to gain international favor and pity.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] Israel with an arab majority would not be Israel. It would be another sh*tty arab country with a large non-muslim minority, like lebanon.

cslayer211

It is important to recognize that Israel is an occupying power in this relationship. That's not to say that Israel is responsible for all of the problems in the region and if Israel were to cease to exist everything would be fine, but they are still responsible for a substantial amount of the suffering that Palestinians endure on a daily basis. Maybe Israel's actions are justified, maybe they aren't, but these aren't facts that can be easily glossed over.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in.

PWSteal_Ldpinch

Second ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to violate New Rule in order to revert previous infractions of New Rule.

Third ammendment to the New Rule: The New Rule is subordinate to existing property laws.

I think I'm going in circles. I'm gonna need beans to help sort this out. HELP ME BEANS.

HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1: Jaysus fawkin' Christ, calm the phuck down. JUST STOP SHOOTING EACH OTHER when you aren't going to budge from your respective homes.

Rule 2: Work out the logistics on how to deal with the fact that people are going to live where they are now, or at least where they are reasonably well-established, of course, while observing HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1.

Rule 3: People with similar cultural norms and common language within a continuous geographic region will be given civil authority to govern their respective region in accordance with the desires of the governed and without violating HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1. Moreover, local governments will be responsible to ensure through their authoirty that there are no violations by their people of HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1.

Rule 4: Repeat infractions of the HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1 (3-strike-rule) will invariably result in divine intervention of Lady Liberty, who will annex everything.

Translation - Two-state solution. Maybe a three-state solution (separating the West Bank from Gaza). Governments get that Israel stays, and they have to stop idiots from blind-firing rockets in the general direction of Tel-Aviv. Israel needs to stop the whole expansionist settlement brouhaha, possibly pull some of them back.

Jerusalem cannot be resolved. Therefore it is to be evacuated and nuked.

If the sand people are unsuccessful in resolving their disputes, then they shall be resolved for them.

Or not, but we will say it very loudly.

What do you hope to get out of this thread? is it pity? is it sympathy? What do you want us to say? The same crap everyone says but doesn't mean? "Oh how tragic how sad oh my gosh war is terrible". Only 2 factions can stop this whether they want to stop this or not, is up to them. Shall we convict Israel for collateral damage? Shall we condemn the Hamas members who use their families as meatshields. I don't understand what you want from this thread. Most us have already seen the pictures, we've already seen the tragedy. Do you know why this is not happening to Israel, because they protect their people, not use them as way to gain international favor and pity.

RadecSupreme

[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]But then you can just set up camp anywhere you want and declare it for yourself.coolbeans90

Second ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to violate New Rule in order to revert previous infractions of New Rule.

Third ammendment to the New Rule: The New Rule is subordinate to existing property laws.

I think I'm going in circles. I'm gonna need beans to help sort this out. HELP ME BEANS.

HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1: Jaysus fawkin' Christ, calm the phuck down. JUST STOP SHOOTING EACH OTHER when you aren't going to budge from your respective homes.

Rule 2: Work out the logistics on how to deal with the fact that people are going to live where they are now, or at least where they are reasonably well-established, of course, while observing HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1.

Rule 3: People with similar cultural norms and common language within a continuous geographic region will be given civil authority to govern their respective region in accordance with the desires of the governed and without violating HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1. Moreover, local governments will be responsible to ensure through their authoirty that there are no violations by their people of HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1.

Rule 4: Repeat infractions of the HOLY, DIVINE RULE NUMBER 1 (3-strike-rule) will invariably result in divine intervention of Lady Liberty, who will annex everything.

Translation - Two-state solution. Maybe a three-state solution (separating the West Bank from Gaza). Governments get that Israel stays, and they have to stop idiots from blind-firing rockets in the general direction of Tel-Aviv. Israel needs to stop the whole expansionist settlement brouhaha, possibly pull some of them back.

Jerusalem cannot be resolved. Therefore it is to be evacuated and nuked.

If the sand people are unsuccessful in resolving their disputes, then they shall be resolved for them.

Or not, but we will say it very loudly.

The Beans Hath Spoken :P

Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't so seamlessly drift between sarcasm/satire/hyperbole and actual opinion.

Oh the fvck with it.

Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't so seamlessly drift between sarcasm/satire/hyperbole and actual opinion.

Oh the fvck with it.

coolbeans90

Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't so seamlessly drift between sarcasm/satire/hyperbole and actual opinion.

Oh the fvck with it.

coolbeans90

As bad as I feel that that many civilians died, I don't really have any animosity towards Israel. Hamas really needs to stop stirring the hornets nest. It serves no purpose and only results in Palestinians being killed.

As bad as I feel that that many civilians died, I don't really have any animosity towards Israel. Hamas really needs to stop stirring the hornets nest. It serves no purpose and only results in Palestinians being killed.

October_Tide

it's basically like a midget poking a sleeping giant, and then the giant takes out a minigun, blows him away, burns the corpse, and dances on it while kicking it.

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

What do you hope to get out of this thread? is it pity? is it sympathy? What do you want us to say? The same crap everyone says but doesn't mean? "Oh how tragic how sad oh my gosh war is terrible". Only 2 factions can stop this whether they want to stop this or not, is up to them. Shall we convict Israel for collateral damage? Shall we condemn the Hamas members who use their families as meatshields. I don't understand what you want from this thread. Most us have already seen the pictures, we've already seen the tragedy. Do you know why this is not happening to Israel, because they protect their people, not use them as way to gain international favor and pity.

thebest31406

Moral relativist ghoul? And it's good that you feel for him, my post was not directed at his specific position but more at the whole event in general. I don't know him so me trying to feel for him would be like trying to feel for any innocent stranger in danger. I wish him best of luck and safety but my wishes don't mean anything.

[QUOTE="October_Tide"]

As bad as I feel that that many civilians died, I don't really have any animosity towards Israel. Hamas really needs to stop stirring the hornets nest. It serves no purpose and only results in Palestinians being killed.

wis3boi

it's basically like a midget poking a sleeping giant, and then the giant takes out a minigun, blows him away, burns the corpse, and dances on it while kicking it.

Lol:lol: interesting mental image.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DV27cvP9bs

people are actually spoon fed this :lol:

Ugh, this whole thing is really terrible. I can't support either side, but I feel really bad for all of the innocent civilians that are being killed. . Commander-Gree

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[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

New Rule: It's immoral in all circumstances to kick someone off the land they're parents were born on.

BossPerson

Ammendment to the New Rule: it's immoral to kick someone off the land they live in.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"] If you don't love your family, don't expect your enemy (who hates you) to. th3warr1or

That's twisted and dumb logic.

And no, it's neither twisted, nor dumb. Nobody will ever love your family more than you love your own. If you don't, don't expect someone else to, much less someone who wants you dead.

No.

It IS twisted and dumb logic.

Would you say every Israeli soldier doesn't love their family because they go home, therefore putting their family at risk? Or every high-profile person in the world, who could be the target of a terrorist attack, doesn't lovetheir family because they go home, therefore putting their family at risk?

If a bunch of criminals take control of a house in any Western country, and make the people there hostages, are you in support of just bombing the house down? Or are you in support of the police going in on foot to try to take out the criminals while keeping the family alive?

The only reason why you bomb a house that has 1 target, while killing everyone there, is if you completely disregard the lives of the civillians present, and treat them as disposable. That's about it.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="Jackc8"]

So what? 11 people were killed in a shantytown in Bangladesh, a bush crash in Egypt killed 50 children, a guy who used to be a mayor in Mexico was found beaten to death.

Or are we supposed to care about the Palestinians more because have they have parties in the streets on 9/11 to celebrate all those Americans getting killed? I certainly don't give a f*** about them. I hope they keep p***ing off the Israelis real good and get their whole damned territory levelled.

th3warr1or

A bus crash is an accident... As in no one caused it on purpose... not exactly the same thing...

Let. Me. Explain. Slowly.

An accident is just that, an accident, no one intended it to happen, it just did. A terrorist attack is not quite the same thing. Yes, both loss of lifes is sad, but one is directly the cause of someone's actions.

Let. Me. Explain. Slowly.

An accident is just that, an accident, no one intended it to happen, it just did. A terrorist attack is not quite the same thing. Yes, both loss of lifes is sad, but one is directly the cause of someone's actions.nunovlopes

Courts of law clearly disagree, seeing as someone who kills someone through an accident can still be charged for murder. Different degree as intentional murder, but still murder nonetheless.

No.

It IS twisted and dumb logic.

Would you say every Israeli soldier doesn't love their family because they go home, therefore putting their family at risk? Or every high-profile person in the world, who could be the target of a terrorist attack, doesn't lovetheir family because they go home, therefore putting their family at risk?

If a bunch of criminals take control of a house in any Western country, and make the people there hostages, are you in support of just bombing the house down? Or are you in support of the police going in on foot to try to take out the criminals while keeping the family alive?

The only reason why you bomb a house that has 1 target, while killing everyone there, is if you completely disregard the lives of the civillians present, and treat them as disposable. That's about it.nunovlopes

Actually I never argued that they care about the lives of that man's family. What I am saying however, is that in the middle of a conflict like this, yes it IS irresponsible to go home and endanger your whole family.

Enemy combatants, regardless of side, don't give a sh*t about your family. That is a fact. Whether it's the right thing or not, doesn't matter, because so what if its wrong? Does saying "What on earth dude I'm with my family" suddenly make the bomb dropping on your house become harmless? No.

So if the enemy doesn't care about killing YOUR family, YOU should care about the fact that you're putting your family at risk.

Every high-profile assassination target isn't doing the same thing because generally they have adequate protection. If they don't, yes it's irresponsible. No it's not "humane," but it sure as hell happened, and will continue to happen. That is what I'm saying.

Just because someone shouldn't do something doesn't mean they won't. If you have something to lose, you'd do well to protect it because your enemy sure as hell won't.

If you've taken steps to ensure your family's safety, then by all means, go home. The average Israeli soldier isn't on Hamas hitlist. They probably don't even know his name or where he lives. Netanyahu goes home. He's not endangering anyone. Barack Obama lives with his family, and he's well protected. So was George W Bush. In those instances, going home isn't selfish or irresponsible because they're betting on the fact that the enemy will fail in their attempt to kill them, rather than simply "not try."

Once again, if you don't like that, it's really just too bad for you. Sh*t happens.

whats sad is that these zionists still think God loves them and thinks he has chosen them amongst all people.

:lol:

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]Let. Me. Explain. Slowly.

An accident is just that, an accident, no one intended it to happen, it just did. A terrorist attack is not quite the same thing. Yes, both loss of lifes is sad, but one is directly the cause of someone's actions.th3warr1or

Courts of law clearly disagree, seeing as someone who kills someone through an accident can still be charged for murder. Different degree as intentional murder, but still murder nonetheless.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]Let. Me. Explain. Slowly.

An accident is just that, an accident, no one intended it to happen, it just did. A terrorist attack is not quite the same thing. Yes, both loss of lifes is sad, but one is directly the cause of someone's actions.BossPerson

Courts of law clearly disagree, seeing as someone who kills someone through an accident can still be charged for murder. Different degree as intentional murder, but still murder nonetheless.

Accidentally killing someone in a bar fight is considered second degree murder, not manslaughter though. Regardless of who started the fight.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Courts of law clearly disagree, seeing as someone who kills someone through an accident can still be charged for murder. Different degree as intentional murder, but still murder nonetheless.

th3warr1or

Accidentally killing someone in a bar fight is considered second degree murder, not manslaughter though. Regardless of who started the fight.

whats sad is that these zionists still think God loves them and thinks he has chosen them amongst all people.

:lol:

GrayF0X786

whats sad is that you think the sky wizard picked you instead

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]manslaughter is not murderBossPerson

Accidentally killing someone in a bar fight is considered second degree murder, not manslaughter though. Regardless of who started the fight.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Accidentally killing someone in a bar fight is considered second degree murder, not manslaughter though. Regardless of who started the fight.

th3warr1or

So...Egypt says Israel will halt "aggression" within hours. This is good news for both parties.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]you dont "accidentally" kill someone in a fight. Yes, that is second degree murder, but it is not considered a real accident. Killing someone from driving drunk, that is an accident. Getting angry at someone on the street for no reason and running them over? Not an accident. BossPerson

People need to look at the numbers. More palestians die during these conflicts than Israelis do. To make it a fair fight. Palestine should be allowed to have the same weapons Israel does and allow Palestine to become its own state. People forget that what Israel is today was all Palestine prior to 1948. So who is oppressing who?helwa1988

War is hardly ever fair. Moreover, the reason there are only 3 Israeli deaths isn't due to lack of trying by Hamas. Just because majority of Hamas rockets have been intercepted by the Iron Dome doesn't mean Hamas hasn't been intentionally aiming at civilian populations in Israel.

Hamas rockets are being fired at Israeli civilian populations. You could say the same thing about Israel's bombs and their target of inhabited civilian neighborhoods, but unlike the Israel, Hamas is intentionally targeting civilians in Israel to do the most damage.

Make no mistake, Hamas IS trying to kill Israeli civilians. Keyword here is trying.

This war will be used as a example in the future, mainly in the subject: How stupid humankind used to deal with terrorism and extremism.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]manslaughter is not murderBossPerson

Accidentally killing someone in a bar fight is considered second degree murder, not manslaughter though. Regardless of who started the fight.