Atheist "afterlife" is very comforting.

And yet the religious freak out when they start to contemplate annihilation and non-existence.foxhound_fox

Only Mormons go to heaven.

Heaven must be terrible.

TopTierHustler

[spoiler] don't get your panties twisted...it's a joke [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

No consciousness means, essentially, absolute ignorance. Now, if you consider ignorance to be paradise, (wtf, mayormajor?) then that's paradise.

Q.E.D.

I never told you what you believe. Are you dense?

SEANMCAD

so the carbon in your printer is in a state of bliss is what you are saying.

Did you even read what I wrote?

I was basing this off a stupid saying. According to that saying yes the carbon would be in a state of bliss. But then I called the saying stupid and said I don't consider it paradise but certainly preferable against suffering. Why is it so hard to understand??

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

so the carbon in your printer is in a state of bliss is what you are saying.

SEANMCAD

Did you even read what I wrote?

I was basing this off a stupid saying. According to that saying yes the carbon would be in a state of bliss. But then I called the saying stupid and said I don't consider it paradise but certainly preferable against suffering. Why is it so hard to understand??

what saying are you refering to?

I hope you are not saying that aethists are saying anything whatsoever other than 'when we die we turn into carbon' maybe I misunderstand

lol talk about generalizing. The TC proves you wrongthemajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]lol talk about generalizing. The TC proves you wrongfoxhound_fox

I always hear atheists saying stupid stuff like "Religion is only for people who can't accept their own mortality to feel comfortable with death". But really what is more comforting? Religious afterlife or atheist "afterlife"?

Religious afterlife:

Eternal suffering (this is what happens to 99,999...% of the people according to South Park)

Reincarnation. Also a form of eternal suffering although a lesser kind of suffering.

Meanwhile athest afterlife:

Oblivion. No suffering whatsoever. In fact it's a kinda like paradise considering ignorance=bliss. Since this is the ultimate form of ignorance it is also the ultimate form of bliss.

So it's really the atheists taking the easy way out when looking at death.

Personally though I don't belive in any of these, although closest to my view is reincarnation, but these are the mainstream views.

themajormayor

Well, the good thing about being religious is that most of the time you think that your own lifestyle will get you into heaven. If you're worried about going to heaven or hell you probably think you're going to heaven, if you don't think you're going to heaven you probably don't believe in it. That being said, the lack of constant worry about heaven and hell is one of the things I very much appreciate about being an atheist.

Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance lessens the blow of inevitable death (you won't be worried about your own death after you're dead), but you won't be happy in death either, you just won't be. This doesn't make death less of a scary concept for atheists, it's disconcerting given that a basic trait of our consciousness is to witness existence, and as such it is impossible for us to contemplate non-existence. I just have learned to accpet it. I think that existence is defined by dichotomies, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Without death there can be no life, so the inevitability of death is all the more reason for me to celebrate life. That, and my two choices in a Christian afterlife are burning in hell for all eternity or singing hymns to god with Christians for all eternity, let's just say I prefer non-existence to either of those.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="SEANMCAD"]

what saying are you refering to?

I hope you are not saying that aethists are saying anything whatsoever other than 'when we die we turn into carbon' maybe I misunderstand

SEANMCAD

let me ask more directly

what 'stupid saying' are you refering to?

(sorry i might have gotten lost somewhere in the convo)

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]lol talk about generalizing. The TC proves you wrongfoxhound_fox

I disagree with that......LJS9502_basic

Eternal suffering (this is what happens to 99,999...% of the people according to South Park)

themajormayor

I don't know why, but for some reason I'm starting to believe that once we die, our life just starts over. Ever had a dream of the future? I'm not talking about how you dream something and then do it the next day, I'm talking about having a dream, forgetting it and then that moment in time comes weeks months or even years later that you dreamt and you remember the dream. Stupid I know but hey; I can dream can't I?

ConkerAndBerri2

I've had this thought too. I've had quite a few dreams like that and that's why I've thought of this possibility. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. Inthe end we may never know.

The best thing about atheism is that you don't have some external source dictating how you should live. Life being pointless is exactly what makes it beautiful.

As for no afterlife, I find it a frightful thought that once we're dead, we'll be gone forever. Then again, religious convictions or lack thereof shouldn't be based upon which belief system offers the most comforting afterlife.

DraugenCP

Not really such thing as a atheist "afterlife"...

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Eternal suffering (this is what happens to 99,999...% of the people according to South Park)

Big_Bad_Sad

Not really such thing as a atheist "afterlife"...

Pikdum

Hence the ""

I always hear atheists saying stupid stuff like "Religion is only for people who can't accept their own mortality to feel comfortable with death". But really what is more comforting? Religious afterlife or atheist "afterlife"?

Religious afterlife:

Eternal suffering (this is what happens to 99,999...% of the people according to South Park)

Reincarnation. Also a form of eternal suffering although a lesser kind of suffering.

Meanwhile athest afterlife:

Oblivion. No suffering whatsoever. In fact it's a kinda like paradise considering ignorance=bliss. Since this is the ultimate form of ignorance it is also the ultimate form of bliss.

So it's really the atheists taking the easy way out when looking at death.

Personally though I don't belive in any of these, although closest to my view is reincarnation, but these are the mainstream views.

themajormayor

Yep, that's Socrates's thinking, and it's pretty much the only thing I agree about with him.

you're completely ignoring the fact that a religious afterlife often has infinite pleasures

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Eternal suffering (this is what happens to 99,999...% of the people according to South Park)

Big_Bad_Sad

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I always hear atheists saying stupid stuff like "Religion is only for people who can't accept their own mortality to feel comfortable with death". But really what is more comforting? Religious afterlife or atheist "afterlife"?

Religious afterlife:

Eternal suffering (this is what happens to 99,999...% of the people according to South Park)

Reincarnation. Also a form of eternal suffering although a lesser kind of suffering.

Meanwhile athest afterlife:

Oblivion. No suffering whatsoever. In fact it's a kinda like paradise considering ignorance=bliss. Since this is the ultimate form of ignorance it is also the ultimate form of bliss.

So it's really the atheists taking the easy way out when looking at death.

Personally though I don't belive in any of these, although closest to my view is reincarnation, but these are the mainstream views.

Heisenderp

Yep, that's Socrates's thinking, and it's pretty much the only thing I agree about with him.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I always hear atheists saying stupid stuff like "Religion is only for people who can't accept their own mortality to feel comfortable with death". But really what is more comforting? Religious afterlife or atheist "afterlife"?

Religious afterlife:

Eternal suffering (this is what happens to 99,999...% of the people according to South Park)

Reincarnation. Also a form of eternal suffering although a lesser kind of suffering.

Meanwhile athest afterlife:

Oblivion. No suffering whatsoever. In fact it's a kinda like paradise considering ignorance=bliss. Since this is the ultimate form of ignorance it is also the ultimate form of bliss.

So it's really the atheists taking the easy way out when looking at death.

Personally though I don't belive in any of these, although closest to my view is reincarnation, but these are the mainstream views.

kingkong0124

Yep, that's Socrates's thinking, and it's pretty much the only thing I agree about with him.

No

I am atheist. The one thing I can't wrap my head around is the soul.

To think I am 1 in 200,000,000 sperm and I could have easily just not existed... when I j*zz 200,000,000 souls are lost? I can't imagine that, I feel like there is more to it.

It could be that when you die, you die and that's it.

Doesn't bother me, we came from nothing, when I cease to exist I will be nothing, the cycle will continue. When the world ends, parts of me will still be around somewhere, maybe I will be of use to some life billions of years later.

I always hear atheists saying stupid stuff like "Religion is only for people who can't accept their own mortality to feel comfortable with death". But really what is more comforting? Religious afterlife or atheist "afterlife"?

Religious afterlife:

Eternal suffering (this is what happens to 99,999...% of the people according to South Park)

Reincarnation. Also a form of eternal suffering although a lesser kind of suffering.

Meanwhile athest afterlife:

Oblivion. No suffering whatsoever. In fact it's a kinda like paradise considering ignorance=bliss. Since this is the ultimate form of ignorance it is also the ultimate form of bliss.

So it's really the atheists taking the easy way out when looking at death.

Personally though I don't belive in any of these, although closest to my view is reincarnation, but these are the mainstream views.

themajormayor

I am atheist. The one thing I can't wrap my head around is the soul.

To think I am 1 in 200,000,000 sperm and I could have easily just not existed... when I j*zz 200,000,000 souls are lost? I can't imagine that, I feel like there is more to it.

It could be that when you die, you die and that's it.

Doesn't bother me, we came from nothing, when I cease to exist I will be nothing, the cycle will continue. When the world ends, parts of me will still be around somewhere, maybe I will be of use to some life billions of years later.

SaltyMeatballs

Think of the numbers of sperms that have existed in this universe alone. Probably something like 2*10^(3243897897359873^(34287893598^(83485898934^(5689569)))) sperms.

To think I am 1 in 200,000,000 sperm and I could have easily just not existed... when I j*zz 200,000,000 souls are lost? I can't imagine that, I feel like there is more to it.

SaltyMeatballs

Do you seriously think that is the position of any theist?

I am atheist. The one thing I can't wrap my head around is the soul.

To think I am 1 in 200,000,000 sperm and I could have easily just not existed... when I j*zz 200,000,000 souls are lost? I can't imagine that, I feel like there is more to it.

It could be that when you die, you die and that's it.

Doesn't bother me, we came from nothing, when I cease to exist I will be nothing, the cycle will continue. When the world ends, parts of me will still be around somewhere, maybe I will be of use to some life billions of years later.

SaltyMeatballs

Oblivion. No suffering whatsoever. In fact it's a kinda like paradise considering ignorance=bliss. Since this is the ultimate form of ignorance it is also the ultimate form of bliss.

themajormayor

Your idea that non-existence is like paradise is...not exactly logical.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Oblivion. No suffering whatsoever. In fact it's a kinda like paradise considering ignorance=bliss. Since this is the ultimate form of ignorance it is also the ultimate form of bliss.

Jackc8

Your idea that non-existence is like paradise is...not exactly logical.

It is better to not exist than to exist.

That is a maxim some philosophers believe in, and it fits nicely into this.

-

If there is nothing after death, then you have no capacity for reflection.

And if you cannot reflect, you cannot dwell on the fact that your existence is an endless expanse of nothingness, so you cannot be in despair.

Therefore, non-existence is bliss.

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

The best thing about atheism is that you don't have some external source dictating how you should live. Life being pointless is exactly what makes it beautiful.

As for no afterlife, I find it a frightful thought that once we're dead, we'll be gone forever. Then again, religious convictions or lack thereof shouldn't be based upon which belief system offers the most comforting afterlife.

hiphops_savior

Believing that there is no higher power dictating our lives and that there is no afterlife is pretty much exactly what atheism is.

Im a Christian but to be honest I kinda believe that when we die, we either

-Go to Heaven

-Go to Hell

OR

We start another life (with no memory of our previous) but in an alternate world, alternate universe. Basically a universe that the Human mind is not able to comprehend.

We start another life (with no memory of our previous) but in an alternate world, alternate universe. Basically a universe that the Human mind is not able to comprehend.

ThisIsTwoFace

Thats Hinduism not Christianity.

[QUOTE="ThisIsTwoFace"]

We start another life (with no memory of our previous) but in an alternate world, alternate universe. Basically a universe that the Human mind is not able to comprehend.

Philokalia

Thats Hinduism not Christianity.

Im a Christian but to be honest I kinda believe that when we die, we either

-Go to Heaven

-Go to Hell

OR

We start another life (with no memory of our previous) but in an alternate world, alternate universe. Basically a universe that the Human mind is not able to comprehend.

As an atheist I have found within myself a level of peace I never achieved as a religious person.

junglist101

I don't believe in Hell for the reason that if God did create the universe lovingly and design it perfectly for us why would he punish us for eternity? It's just a tale that the Catholic Priests used to spin to get people to pour in their life's savings so they could be "forgiven".ShadowsDemon

Actually its what scripture teaches, Hades that, that those whom will be risen, some will go to glory, some to everlasitng shame.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="sune_Gem"]

How would reincarnation be suffering? Sure, if you came back as a worm that would be kind of lame, but surely even a worm must be happy and satisfied when they find a nice apple to dig into or what not. It's not like a worm thinks to himself everyday "Man it sucks being a worm...".

tenaka2

There is way more suffering than pleasure in this world. WAY more. Even if you are a human. That's like almost fact.

Your initial opening is bollox, all religious people actually believe they are going to heaven.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

The religious claim to know what's to happen to them after death, going to Heaven. The atheist claims we will reduce to nothing. You're telling me Heaven is a less comforting prospect than ceasing to exist forever?

themajormayor

I don't think that God would prefer a Christian who is a bad person over an atheist who is a a good one Then again, I'm not GodDarthkaiser

Read the story of the first man who came into heaven with Christ.

Christ accepted a fellow, converted criminal into the kingdom of Heaven while they were both being crucified.

Mind you, in Roman times crucifixion was a punishment given to the lowest scum of the Earth, for people so horrible that they couldn't even be dignified with a proper execution.

-

In the Christian faith, God accepts everybody, regardless of their past transgressions, as long as they believe in him.

That is the definition of his undying benevolence.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] I don't believe in Hell for the reason that if God did create the universe lovingly and design it perfectly for us why would he punish us for eternity? It's just a tale that the Catholic Priests used to spin to get people to pour in their life's savings so they could be "forgiven".Philokalia

Actually its what scripture teaches, Hades that, that those whom will be risen, some will go to glory, some to everlasitng shame.