Arizona State representative, want to stop trans-people from using public WCs.

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#1 trasherhead
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What is wrong with this state? First it was that women are pregant 2 weeks before they have sex, now trans-people might not be able to use public restrooms?

"If the bill passes with his amendment, police could stop any woman trying to use a women's restroom. She'd have to show proof that she's a woman, and if she doesn't have ID or the gender on her ID doesn't match her gender identity because she's trans  6 months jail and a $2,500 fine."

When asked why the bill targeted trans people he explained that it's because he thinks "they're weird."

Edit: Linky

USA, get your s*it together!

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What is wrong with this state? First it was that women are pregant 2 weeks before they have sex, now trans-people might not be able to use public restrooms?

"If the bill passes with his amendment, police could stop any woman trying to use a women's restroom. She'd have to show proof that she's a woman, and if she doesn't have ID or the gender on her ID doesn't match her gender identity because she's trans  6 months jail and a $2,500 fine."

When asked why the bill targeted trans people he explained that it's because he thinks "they're weird."

Edit: Linky

USA, get your s*it together!

trasherhead
People with wieners shouldn't use the women's restroom. I still don't like this because we don't need anymore stupid laws that violate peoples privacy.
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A great example of why public buildings should be privatized.
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Arizona is starting to make mississippi look good.

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#5 Necrifer
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Hm...?

Oh, just another bill that would violate peoples' privacy.

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A great example of why public buildings should be privatized.Laihendi

Because private companies won't use prejudice to keep segments of the population away? Remember the story about the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. 

Private buildings will make excuses as to why they will refuse to serve minorities, homosexuals, etc.

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Arizona is getting some Texas influences, its contagious!
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Because private companies won't use prejudice to keep segments of the population away? Remember the story about the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. 

Private buildings will make excuses as to why they will refuse to serve minorities, homosexuals, etc.

jimkabrhel

Companies with disagreeable stances will often lose business because of said stances.

If enough people really cared, they would go out of business.

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I'd like to make a law that forbids fat, sweat-ridden homophobes from coming near me but I guess that's out of the question in Arizona.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]A great example of why public buildings should be privatized.jimkabrhel

Because private companies won't use prejudice to keep segments of the population away? Remember the story about the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. 

Private buildings will make excuses as to why they will refuse to serve minorities, homosexuals, etc.

But what they did was ok, because it was free enterprise!
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What is wrong with this state? First it was that women are pregant 2 weeks before they have sex, now trans-people might not be able to use public restrooms?

"If the bill passes with his amendment, police could stop any woman trying to use a women's restroom. She'd have to show proof that she's a woman, and if she doesn't have ID or the gender on her ID doesn't match her gender identity because she's trans  6 months jail and a $2,500 fine."

When asked why the bill targeted trans people he explained that it's because he thinks "they're weird."

Edit: Linky

USA, get your s*it together!

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Somehow I don't think there's much danger of this actually happening.
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What is wrong with this state? First it was that women are pregant 2 weeks before they have sex, now trans-people might not be able to use public restrooms?

"If the bill passes with his amendment, police could stop any woman trying to use a women's restroom. She'd have to show proof that she's a woman, and if she doesn't have ID or the gender on her ID doesn't match her gender identity because she's trans  6 months jail and a $2,500 fine."

When asked why the bill targeted trans people he explained that it's because he thinks "they're weird."

Edit: Linky

USA, get your s*it together!

trasherhead
TC get your sh*t together. The US has 50 states not one.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]A great example of why public buildings should be privatized.jimkabrhel

Because private companies won't use prejudice to keep segments of the population away? Remember the story about the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. 

Private buildings will make excuses as to why they will refuse to serve minorities, homosexuals, etc.

If you are not wanted on someone's property then you have no business being there.

Government trying to legislate social acceptance for minorities who are discriminated against just makes the problem worse by exacerbating tension between the minorities and the majority who is being legislated against.

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]A great example of why public buildings should be privatized.Laihendi

Because private companies won't use prejudice to keep segments of the population away? Remember the story about the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. 

Private buildings will make excuses as to why they will refuse to serve minorities, homosexuals, etc.

If you are not wanted on someone's property then you have no business being there.

Government trying to legislate social acceptance for minorities who are discriminated against just makes the problem worse by exacerbating tension between the minorities and the majority who is being legislated against.

lol
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[QUOTE="trasherhead"]

What is wrong with this state? First it was that women are pregant 2 weeks before they have sex, now trans-people might not be able to use public restrooms?

"If the bill passes with his amendment, police could stop any woman trying to use a women's restroom. She'd have to show proof that she's a woman, and if she doesn't have ID or the gender on her ID doesn't match her gender identity because she's trans  6 months jail and a $2,500 fine."

When asked why the bill targeted trans people he explained that it's because he thinks "they're weird."

Edit: Linky

USA, get your s*it together!

LJS9502_basic
TC get your sh*t together. The US has 50 states not one.

To be fair.......Arizona isn't the only state that has horrible laws on the books or proposed that is aimed at the LGBT community.....
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]A great example of why public buildings should be privatized.Laihendi

Because private companies won't use prejudice to keep segments of the population away? Remember the story about the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. 

Private buildings will make excuses as to why they will refuse to serve minorities, homosexuals, etc.

If you are not wanted on someone's property then you have no business being there.

Government trying to legislate social acceptance for minorities who are discriminated against just makes the problem worse by exacerbating tension between the minorities and the majority who is being legislated against.

Yes because before the civil rights movement everything was fine and dandy for black people.... Oh wait.

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Just wondering.......

I don't have any problems if trans-people use the same john I'm using.

But, do trans-people have frank n beans or tacos down there?

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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"] People with wieners shouldn't use the women's restroom. I still don't like this because we don't need anymore stupid laws that violate peoples privacy.

As a woman, I don't care if somebody with a penis would like to use the same washroom as I am. I have no problem with allowing a transgender person to use the same washroom as I'm in. I don't feel as though my privacy would be violated. Honestly, I probably would never know if they were. Because the ladies' room only has stalls, so I don't see anyone else's genitals. The men's room has both urinals and stalls, but is a pre-op ftm transgender person with no penis going to use a urinal? Nope. They'll use a stall. So you'll never know that dude is actually a lady. I have sympathy because a LOT of transgender people do not look the sex they were born anymore, due to hormones and whatnot. If I were born with a vagina and had been taking hormones and lifting, and turned into a large bulky man with facial hair, I don't think I'd feel comfortable using the ladies' room. THAT, despite me being born with girl parts, would get more horrified gasps and looks than a male who looks female using the women's washroom. I am in complete support of allowing transgender people to use whichever bathroom they are comfortable using.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="trasherhead"]

What is wrong with this state? First it was that women are pregant 2 weeks before they have sex, now trans-people might not be able to use public restrooms?

"If the bill passes with his amendment, police could stop any woman trying to use a women's restroom. She'd have to show proof that she's a woman, and if she doesn't have ID or the gender on her ID doesn't match her gender identity because she's trans  6 months jail and a $2,500 fine."

When asked why the bill targeted trans people he explained that it's because he thinks "they're weird."

Edit: Linky

USA, get your s*it together!

Ring_of_fire
TC get your sh*t together. The US has 50 states not one.

To be fair.......Arizona isn't the only state that has horrible laws on the books or proposed that is aimed at the LGBT community.....

This topic isn't about orientation. It's about privacy issues. My thoughts....use the bathroom where your equipment works.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]A great example of why public buildings should be privatized.Laihendi

Because private companies won't use prejudice to keep segments of the population away? Remember the story about the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. 

Private buildings will make excuses as to why they will refuse to serve minorities, homosexuals, etc.

If you are not wanted on someone's property then you have no business being there.

Government trying to legislate social acceptance for minorities who are discriminated against just makes the problem worse by exacerbating tension between the minorities and the majority who is being legislated against.

So we should just let private citizen and enterprises work it out on their own? The Civil Rights Act making things worse in this country. Hmmm, I don't think so.

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6 months in jail...for doing something that would harm absolutely nobody. :|
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6 months in jail...for doing something that would harm absolutely nobody. :|JML897
I do think that you can be arrested for using the wrong bathroom.....
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"] People with wieners shouldn't use the women's restroom. I still don't like this because we don't need anymore stupid laws that violate peoples privacy.

As a woman, I don't care if somebody with a penis would like to use the same washroom as I am. I have no problem with allowing a transgender person to use the same washroom as I'm in. I don't feel as though my privacy would be violated. Honestly, I probably would never know if they were. Because the ladies' room only has stalls, so I don't see anyone else's genitals. The men's room has both urinals and stalls, but is a pre-op ftm transgender person with no penis going to use a urinal? Nope. They'll use a stall. So you'll never know that dude is actually a lady. I have sympathy because a LOT of transgender people do not look the sex they were born anymore, due to hormones and whatnot. If I were born with a vagina and had been taking hormones and lifting, and turned into a large bulky man with facial hair, I don't think I'd feel comfortable using the ladies' room. THAT, despite me being born with girl parts, would get more horrified gasps and looks than a male who looks female using the women's washroom. I am in complete support of allowing transgender people to use whichever bathroom they are comfortable using.

agreed
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"] People with wieners shouldn't use the women's restroom. I still don't like this because we don't need anymore stupid laws that violate peoples privacy.

As a woman, I don't care if somebody with a penis would like to use the same washroom as I am. I have no problem with allowing a transgender person to use the same washroom as I'm in. I don't feel as though my privacy would be violated. Honestly, I probably would never know if they were. Because the ladies' room only has stalls, so I don't see anyone else's genitals. The men's room has both urinals and stalls, but is a pre-op ftm transgender person with no penis going to use a urinal? Nope. They'll use a stall. So you'll never know that dude is actually a lady. I have sympathy because a LOT of transgender people do not look the sex they were born anymore, due to hormones and whatnot. If I were born with a vagina and had been taking hormones and lifting, and turned into a large bulky man with facial hair, I don't think I'd feel comfortable using the ladies' room. THAT, despite me being born with girl parts, would get more horrified gasps and looks than a male who looks female using the women's washroom. I am in complete support of allowing transgender people to use whichever bathroom they are comfortable using.

agreed

Eh I don't agree with that. Pre op and post op are different. If you want to go that far then I guess we should just have generic bathrooms for everyone.....
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[QUOTE="JML897"]6 months in jail...for doing something that would harm absolutely nobody. :|LJS9502_basic
I do think that you can be arrested for using the wrong bathroom.....

I never knew that. That's ridiculous to me. If I were to use the women's bathroom I'd expect to get some weird looks but it doesn't seem like something worth arresting people over.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"] As a woman, I don't care if somebody with a penis would like to use the same washroom as I am. I have no problem with allowing a transgender person to use the same washroom as I'm in. I don't feel as though my privacy would be violated. Honestly, I probably would never know if they were. Because the ladies' room only has stalls, so I don't see anyone else's genitals. The men's room has both urinals and stalls, but is a pre-op ftm transgender person with no penis going to use a urinal? Nope. They'll use a stall. So you'll never know that dude is actually a lady. I have sympathy because a LOT of transgender people do not look the sex they were born anymore, due to hormones and whatnot. If I were born with a vagina and had been taking hormones and lifting, and turned into a large bulky man with facial hair, I don't think I'd feel comfortable using the ladies' room. THAT, despite me being born with girl parts, would get more horrified gasps and looks than a male who looks female using the women's washroom. I am in complete support of allowing transgender people to use whichever bathroom they are comfortable using.

agreed

Eh I don't agree with that. Pre op and post op are different. If you want to go that far then I guess we should just have generic bathrooms for everyone.....

Unisex bathrooms are fine with me.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="JML897"]6 months in jail...for doing something that would harm absolutely nobody. :|JML897
I do think that you can be arrested for using the wrong bathroom.....

I never knew that. That's ridiculous to me. If I were to use the women's bathroom I'd expect to get some weird looks but it doesn't seem like something worth arresting people over.

Ah well I know that because at a sporting event some girls used the men's room it was faster with no lines....and got arrested for doing so.
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] agreed

Eh I don't agree with that. Pre op and post op are different. If you want to go that far then I guess we should just have generic bathrooms for everyone.....

Unisex bathrooms are fine with me.

Would they be fine for you as a parent with a young child?
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Because private companies won't use prejudice to keep segments of the population away? Remember the story about the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. 

Private buildings will make excuses as to why they will refuse to serve minorities, homosexuals, etc.

jimkabrhel

If you are not wanted on someone's property then you have no business being there.

Government trying to legislate social acceptance for minorities who are discriminated against just makes the problem worse by exacerbating tension between the minorities and the majority who is being legislated against.

So we should just let private citizen and enterprises work it out on their own? The Civil Rights Act making things worse in this country. Hmmm, I don't think so.

There is a difference between not discriminating, and discriminating against the majority. If you understood that then you would understand why the Civil Rights Act is a joke.
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Eh I don't agree with that. Pre op and post op are different. If you want to go that far then I guess we should just have generic bathrooms for everyone.....LJS9502_basic
Unisex bathrooms are fine with me.

Would they be fine for you as a parent with a young child?

Yea, since I'll be with the child. Your implication is kind of weird, tho.
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Honestly I don't know why anybody would choose the women's restroom over the men's. The men' bathroom is almost always much cleaner.
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If you are not wanted on someone's property then you have no business being there.

Government trying to legislate social acceptance for minorities who are discriminated against just makes the problem worse by exacerbating tension between the minorities and the majority who is being legislated against.

Laihendi

So we should just let private citizen and enterprises work it out on their own? The Civil Rights Act making things worse in this country. Hmmm, I don't think so.

There is a difference between not discriminating, and discriminating against the majority. If you understood that then you would understand why the Civil Rights Act is a joke.

you are seriously the best troll i have seen in all my days
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Eh I don't agree with that. Pre op and post op are different. If you want to go that far then I guess we should just have generic bathrooms for everyone.....LJS9502_basic
Unisex bathrooms are fine with me.

Would they be fine for you as a parent with a young child?

What difference would that make? You're fine with your son going to the bathroom with a bunch of old men, but not woman? What difference does it make?

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] Unisex bathrooms are fine with me.

Would they be fine for you as a parent with a young child?

Yea, since I'll be with the child. Your implication is kind of weird, tho.

What about a teenage daughter and no....you're not going to the bathroom with her.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Would they be fine for you as a parent with a young child?

Yea, since I'll be with the child. Your implication is kind of weird, tho.

What about a teenage daughter and no....you're not going to the bathroom with her.

At that point, she's old enough.
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#36 JML897
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The men' bathroom is almost always much cleaner. DaBrainz
Really? I can't imagine how disgusting women's bathrooms are then
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#37 bigfoot2045
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Can Arizona just secede already and become the modern version of Nazi Germany that it so clearly wants to be? 

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#38 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] Yea, since I'll be with the child. Your implication is kind of weird, tho.

What about a teenage daughter and no....you're not going to the bathroom with her.

At that point, she's old enough.

A fifteen year old girl is old enough to be partially undressed around older men? Okay then....don't have children.
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]What about a teenage daughter and no....you're not going to the bathroom with her.LJS9502_basic
At that point, she's old enough.

A fifteen year old girl is old enough to be partially undressed around older men? Okay then....don't have children.

dat strawman.
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The hell is going on in 'Murica these days? It's like it's going backwards. Gay-hating, lesbian discriminating, vaginas that can repel rape-sperm.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

So we should just let private citizen and enterprises work it out on their own? The Civil Rights Act making things worse in this country. Hmmm, I don't think so.

Abbeten

There is a difference between not discriminating, and discriminating against the majority. If you understood that then you would understand why the Civil Rights Act is a joke.

you are seriously the best troll i have seen in all my days

^ This.

I'm mindfvcked as to why he keeps posting as if people actually take him seriously.

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#42 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] At that point, she's old enough.

A fifteen year old girl is old enough to be partially undressed around older men? Okay then....don't have children.

dat strawman.

What do you think happens in bathrooms? That is not a straw man. It's what you just said.
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#43 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] A fifteen year old girl is old enough to be partially undressed around older men? Okay then....don't have children.

dat strawman.

What do you think happens in bathrooms? That is not a straw man. It's what you just said.

She will also be in a stall that is locked, and the typical man will not just go and rape whenever they feel like.
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[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]There is a difference between not discriminating, and discriminating against the majority. If you understood that then you would understand why the Civil Rights Act is a joke.Aljosa23

you are seriously the best troll i have seen in all my days

^ This.

I'm mindfvcked as to why he keeps posting as if people actually take him seriously.

I do think it's time for ad-blocking. It's just not fun trying to debate with Lai anymore.

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#45 DaBrainz
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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]The men' bathroom is almost always much cleaner. JML897
Really? I can't imagine how disgusting women's bathrooms are then

Ask any janitor. Men's bathroom is just a little tinkle of pee on the floor to clean up in front of the urinal. Women's bathroom has diarrhea toilet paper and tampons thrown about all willy nilly.
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#46 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] dat strawman.

What do you think happens in bathrooms? That is not a straw man. It's what you just said.

She will also be in a stall that is locked, and the typical man will not just go and rape whenever they feel like.

And we all know that only typical men use the bathroom....
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#47 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]What do you think happens in bathrooms? That is not a straw man. It's what you just said. LJS9502_basic
She will also be in a stall that is locked, and the typical man will not just go and rape whenever they feel like.

And we all know that only typical men use the bathroom....

Most do. You're exaggerating quite a bit here. What exactly is stopping a man from simply waltzing into the woman's bathroom and raping away? Nothing.
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If you are not wanted on someone's property then you have no business being there.

Government trying to legislate social acceptance for minorities who are discriminated against just makes the problem worse by exacerbating tension between the minorities and the majority who is being legislated against.

Laihendi

So we should just let private citizen and enterprises work it out on their own? The Civil Rights Act making things worse in this country. Hmmm, I don't think so.

There is a difference between not discriminating, and discriminating against the majority. If you understood that then you would understand why the Civil Rights Act is a joke.

It's incredbly difficult for me to believe someone can be as stupid as you are.

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#49 coolbeans90
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what about atypical lesbians

just sayin'

unless this is a risk minimzation thing where you are willing to tolerate the possibility of exposing your daughter to some risk of the sort

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#50 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

So we should just let private citizen and enterprises work it out on their own? The Civil Rights Act making things worse in this country. Hmmm, I don't think so.

Guybrush_3

There is a difference between not discriminating, and discriminating against the majority. If you understood that then you would understand why the Civil Rights Act is a joke.

It's incredbly difficult for me to believe someone can be as stupid as you are.

The official consensus is that he is a troll.