Are you Religious or Atheist?

[QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] to win votes.peter1191

Of course, President Obama sat in a church for much of his life to win votes... I know you want a President without a moral compass but it will not happen.

Key example : Mitt Romney and Ron Paul... Neither are very religious (Mitt Romney claims he isn't and Ron Paul wants legalization of Heroin so I would assume he is not religious alot) and it shows in their life and actions.

Do you think it is a coincidence that Mitt Romney did all those morally inccorect things and is not very religious?

I believe Ron Paul is actually quite religious, but he has strong libertarian views and believes that people should decide for themselves what they want to do. I am not supporting him or knocking him down, just stating my perception of him.

He is not the nominee though, Willard Romney will be the nominee and he has no morals and claims to not be very religious (which would shock noone who researched the reprehensible excuse for a human being).

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]Religious just like all of our President and current president.Mikey132

With the seperation of State and Church, what the hell is "In God We Trust" supposed to mean anyway? I've never understood this.

I'm not a religious person so I guess I'm atheist...

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]Religious just like all of our President and current president.Super_MooRio

Of course, President Obama sat in a church for much of his life to win votes... I know you want a President without a moral compass but it will not happen.

Key example : Mitt Romney and Ron Paul... Neither are very religious (Mitt Romney claims he isn't and Ron Paul wants legalization of Heroin so I would assume he is not religious alot) and it shows in their life and actions.

Do you think it is a coincidence that Mitt Romney did all those morally inccorect things and is not very religious?

[QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] to win votes.toast_burner

Of course, President Obama sat in a church for much of his life to win votes... I know you want a President without a moral compass but it will not happen.

Key example : Mitt Romney and Ron Paul... Neither are very religious (Mitt Romney claims he isn't and Ron Paul wants legalization of Heroin so I would assume he is not religious alot) and it shows in their life and actions.

Do you think it is a coincidence that Mitt Romney did all those morally inccorect things and is not very religious?

Again look at Mitt Romney who claims to not be very religious

Then look at President Obama who sat in a church for many years

Romney used his religion to avoid serving in Vietnam and go on vacation in france... Even after that he has the nerve to claim to be not very religious and say his religion would have no impact on his policy... And it figures given his past religion does not dictate his actions at all.

President Obama on the other hand is a man with morals and a man of faith and is basing his economic policy of helping the poor on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Whether you are Republican or Democrat you have to admit that President Obama who is a Christian is vastly the moral superior of the not so religious Romoney.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]

Of course, President Obama sat in a church for much of his life to win votes... I know you want a President without a moral compass but it will not happen.

Key example : Mitt Romney and Ron Paul... Neither are very religious (Mitt Romney claims he isn't and Ron Paul wants legalization of Heroin so I would assume he is not religious alot) and it shows in their life and actions.

Do you think it is a coincidence that Mitt Romney did all those morally inccorect things and is not very religious?

Super_MooRio

Again look at Mitt Romney who claims to not be very religious

Then look at President Obama who sat in a church for many years

Romney used his religion to avoid serving in Vietnam and go on vacation in france... Even after that he has the nerve to claim to be not very religious and say his religion would have no impact on his policy... And it figures given his past religion does not dictate his actions at all.

President Obama on the other hand is a man with morals and a man of faith and is basing his economic policy of helping the poor on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Whether you are Republican or Democrat you have to admit that President Obama who is a Christian is vastly the moral superior of the not so religious Romoney.

[QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Since when did you need to be religious to be moral? The two are barely linked, although you could argue that religionencourages immoral behaviour by teaching bigoted views towards other groups.

toast_burner

Again look at Mitt Romney who claims to not be very religious

Then look at President Obama who sat in a church for many years

Romney used his religion to avoid serving in Vietnam and go on vacation in france... Even after that he has the nerve to claim to be not very religious and say his religion would have no impact on his policy... And it figures given his past religion does not dictate his actions at all.

President Obama on the other hand is a man with morals and a man of faith and is basing his economic policy of helping the poor on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Whether you are Republican or Democrat you have to admit that President Obama who is a Christian is vastly the moral superior of the not so religious Romoney.

They are extremists like Westboro and not indicative of Islam.

I'm an Atheist because I find it quite absurd to believe that there is a God who actually cares about me.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]

Of course, President Obama sat in a church for much of his life to win votes... I know you want a President without a moral compass but it will not happen.

Key example : Mitt Romney and Ron Paul... Neither are very religious (Mitt Romney claims he isn't and Ron Paul wants legalization of Heroin so I would assume he is not religious alot) and it shows in their life and actions.

Do you think it is a coincidence that Mitt Romney did all those morally inccorect things and is not very religious?

Super_MooRio

Again look at Mitt Romney who claims to not be very religious

Then look at President Obama who sat in a church for many years

Romney used his religion to avoid serving in Vietnam and go on vacation in france... Even after that he has the nerve to claim to be not very religious and say his religion would have no impact on his policy... And it figures given his past religion does not dictate his actions at all.

President Obama on the other hand is a man with morals and a man of faith and is basing his economic policy of helping the poor on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Whether you are Republican or Democrat you have to admit that President Obama who is a Christian is vastly the moral superior of the not so religious Romoney.

[QUOTE="peter1191"]

[QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]

Of course, President Obama sat in a church for much of his life to win votes... I know you want a President without a moral compass but it will not happen.

Key example : Mitt Romney and Ron Paul... Neither are very religious (Mitt Romney claims he isn't and Ron Paul wants legalization of Heroin so I would assume he is not religious alot) and it shows in their life and actions.

Do you think it is a coincidence that Mitt Romney did all those morally inccorect things and is not very religious?

Super_MooRio

I believe Ron Paul is actually quite religious, but he has strong libertarian views and believes that people should decide for themselves what they want to do. I am not supporting him or knocking him down, just stating my perception of him.

He is not the nominee though, Willard Romney will be the nominee and he has no morals and claims to not be very religious (which would shock noone who researched the reprehensible excuse for a human being).

I'm an Atheist because I find it quite absurd to believe that there is a God who actually cares about me.

pariah3

[QUOTE="RAGEofSTUNTS"] Religion can teach morals and what you would consider immoral. Example of religion teaching morals: Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Tylendal

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="RAGEofSTUNTS"] Religion can teach morals and what you would consider immoral. Example of religion teaching morals: Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.gaming25

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] Whoo. Good thing that passage was written. Before that, people were just running around, banging every married person they found, murdering at the drop of the hat, then stealing said hat. They lied like troopers, and wanted everything they saw (mostly hats). And oh my, did people ever hate their neighbors. They practically hoarded each-other's lawnmowers and weed-whackers. Good thing this religious passage came along and changed all that. Oh, hey, recent studies have shown that rats are altruistic. Do you think that means rats are Christians? Certainly altruistic and moral behaviours could never develop merely from societal pressure.Tylendal

athiest with different religious friends.

[QUOTE="pariah3"]

I'm an Atheist because I find it quite absurd to believe that there is a God who actually cares about me.

hiphops_savior

2. I dont think atheism excludes the active rejection of a specific notion of a deity. At least nowadays with monotheistic religions being prevalent, the term atheism does get partially defined by its "opposition". The fact that in the minds of most (both theists and atheists) there is some kind of opposition, promotes the shaping of the term. In the end I think it follows the example of many exclusive opposites (you're either of the two, not both). Of course there is the middle ground of agnosticism, but that is a middle ground only in the colloquial use of the relevant terminology. But even in a more technical interpretation of the terms, atheism still will include active rejection for the same reasons; a person will form their beliefs starting from their immediate environment and the religion in that environment when it comes to religion-related beliefs. Couple that with the fact that in most societies religion is considered the default and the expected next step is rejection, not straight to a lack of belief.

2. I dont think atheism excludes the active rejection of a specific notion of a deity. At least nowadays with monotheistic religions being prevalent, the term atheism does get partially defined by its "opposition". The fact that in the minds of most (both theists and atheists) there is some kind of opposition, promotes the shaping of the term. In the end I think it follows the example of many exclusive opposites (you're either of the two, not both). Of course there is the middle ground of agnosticism, but that is a middle ground only in the colloquial use of the relevant terminology. But even in a more technical interpretation of the terms, atheism still will include active rejection for the same reasons; a person will form their beliefs starting from their immediate environment and the religion in that environment when it comes to religion-related beliefs. Couple that with the fact that in most societies religion is considered the default and the expected next step is rejection, not straight to a lack of belief.Teenaged

With Mumbo Jumbo like this I think people are trying way too hard to label people that don't believe in God. Can I honestly not just live out my life without being grouped into something I know nothing about?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

2. I dont think atheism excludes the active rejection of a specific notion of a deity. At least nowadays with monotheistic religions being prevalent, the term atheism does get partially defined by its "opposition". The fact that in the minds of most (both theists and atheists) there is some kind of opposition, promotes the shaping of the term. In the end I think it follows the example of many exclusive opposites (you're either of the two, not both). Of course there is the middle ground of agnosticism, but that is a middle ground only in the colloquial use of the relevant terminology. But even in a more technical interpretation of the terms, atheism still will include active rejection for the same reasons; a person will form their beliefs starting from their immediate environment and the religion in that environment when it comes to religion-related beliefs. Couple that with the fact that in most societies religion is considered the default and the expected next step is rejection, not straight to a lack of belief.Mikey132

With Mumbo Jumbo like this I think people are trying way too hard to label people that don't believe in God. Can I honestly not just live out my life without being grouped into something I know nothing about?

That's one reason people like labels.

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] So, you're saying that we wouldn't know right from wrong without those rules? I really don't know what you're trying to get at here.Tylendal

Some people actually think human psychology is a little devil and angel sitting on your shoulder. I'd guess the black and white approach would make sense to a bronze age primitive, but the actual decision-making process of a Human being is far more complex.

I'm of strong doubt.

[QUOTE="Super_MooRio"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Since when did you need to be religious to be moral? The two are barely linked, although you could argue that religionencourages immoral behaviour by teaching bigoted views towards other groups.

RAGEofSTUNTS

Again look at Mitt Romney who claims to not be very religious

Then look at President Obama who sat in a church for many years

Romney used his religion to avoid serving in Vietnam and go on vacation in france... Even after that he has the nerve to claim to be not very religious and say his religion would have no impact on his policy... And it figures given his past religion does not dictate his actions at all.

President Obama on the other hand is a man with morals and a man of faith and is basing his economic policy of helping the poor on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Whether you are Republican or Democrat you have to admit that President Obama who is a Christian is vastly the moral superior of the not so religious Romoney.

yeah "morals"

hosea 13:16

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up"

just 1 of many, they just reflects the moral of the society at the time each book was written and before "god" had a change of hearts and become nice in the new testament, that itself is a proof that the bible is not holy (one of many many more) at all, a god don't just "change" his personality, on topic,i think people are smart enough now to know whats is moral and immoral without a bible telling them. im atheist and i actually think im a moral and decent person.

Somewhere in the middle but leaning more towards atheism

I just live

[QUOTE="tocool340"]Atheist...gaming25

What the heck? Why is that?

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

Religious going on Atheist possibly. The problem with the transaction is that I still believe in heaven where all my family members and friends have gone to for rest. I don't know if Atheists believe in heaven and hell and if they don't then I am sadly still religious.

peter1191

Believe in Jesus wholeheartedly and you do not have to live in the middle ground. I know how it feels to be unsure about your belief. The thing is the only reason you remain on the fence is because to go in one direction (belief) or another (unbelief, atheism, etc) requires you to make hard choices about what you want to follow in your life. Most people "ride the fence" because if you choose to believe there are actions you have to take in your life to change it. Changing is the hardest thing of all. Let me tell you something:belief has an independent reality. If there really is a heaven your family and friends will be there regardless of what you believe. THe issue at hand is YOU. Don't believe for the assurance of the life of others, but for your own personal assurance. Don't believe because others believe.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="peter1191"]

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/CBl/

peter1191

Fantasy? Christ is risen from the dead. Your living a fantasy when you think this amazing universe exists without a purpose.

[QUOTE="peter1191"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Meme generator sucks. unless your actually funny, the difference here is the hardcore gamer knows his game is a fantasy, you guys dont.Randolph

Fantasy? Christ is risen from the dead. Your living a fantasy when you think this amazing universe exists without a purpose.

Jesus isn't a zombie.

Meme generator sucks. unless your actually funny, the difference here is the hardcore gamer knows his game is a fantasy, you guys dont.PC360Wii

Fantasy? Christ is risen from the dead. Your living a fantasy when you think this amazing universe exists without a purpose.

Those rules were simply made to say what was right and what was wrong. It's as simple as that.gaming25

[QUOTE="Randolph"][QUOTE="peter1191"]

Fantasy? Christ is risen from the dead. Your living a fantasy when you think this amazing universe exists without a purpose.

gaming25

So you're saying a book's credibility depends on its length and verbosity? Well now, this changes everything.

[QUOTE="gaming25"]Those rules were simply made to say what was right and what was wrong. It's as simple as that.Randolph

So you're saying a book's credibility depends on its length and verbosity? Well now, this changes everythingtheone86

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Randolph"] Yeah, the belief that you have to get on your knees and send a physic message to a zombie telling him you accept him as your master, and that you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood to gain forgiveness for the sins of dust man and rib woman, who tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake, makes absolute logical sense and is no way a fantasy.theone86

So you're saying a book's credibility depends on its length and verbosity? Well now, this changes everything.

Don't mind Randolph, he's just trollin.

[QUOTE="Randolph"][QUOTE="gaming25"]Those rules were simply made to say what was right and what was wrong. It's as simple as that.gaming25

Atheist master race

Jesus isn't a zombie.

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="gaming25"] It is absurd how you try to demean a book that goes into detail for hundreds of pages about why those things happened the way they did. For me to say what you said is out of context would be an understatement.Randolph

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] It is absurd how you try to demean a book that goes into detail for hundreds of pages about why those things happened the way they did. For me to say what you said is out of context would be an understatement.gaming25

So you're saying a book's credibility depends on its length and verbosity? Well now, this changes everything.

Maybe that was your intent, but then you should work on your wording. You said "It is absurd how you try to demean a book that goes into detail for hundreds of pages about why those things happened the way they did," that indicates to me that his objections to the Bible are absurd, and because the Bible is long. Simply eliminating the first sentence would have avoided this misunderstanding.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Jesus isn't a zombie.

Randolph

No, he's dead.

Like Brad Vickers in RE2.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="theone86"]

So you're saying a book's credibility depends on its length and verbosity? Well now, this changes everything.

Maybe that was your intent, but then you should work on your wording. You said "It is absurd how you try to demean a book that goes into detail for hundreds of pages about why those things happened the way they did," that indicates to me that his objections to the Bible are absurd, and because the Bible is long. Simply eliminating the first sentence would have avoided this misunderstanding.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] Once again. What I just said has nothing to do with that. I was simply stating that he took the Bible out of context.gaming25

Maybe that was your intent, but then you should work on your wording. You said "It is absurd how you try to demean a book that goes into detail for hundreds of pages about why those things happened the way they did," that indicates to me that his objections to the Bible are absurd, and because the Bible is long. Simply eliminating the first sentence would have avoided this misunderstanding.

Does that have any bearing on whether or not one can take issue with the Bible?

Once again. What I just said has nothing to do with that. I was simply stating that he took the Bible out of context.gaming25