Are you a communist?

I'm not a communist but i do agree that there should not be social classes.

Whatever we have in Australia now FTW !junior-giggsy

Idiot.

i don't believe in suppression of the people or freedom of speech I love both I just believe that social classes, should not exist.mealex

I believe in magic and English.

I'm a true communist. i don't believe in suppression of the people or freedom of speech I love both I just believe that social classes, should not exist. People shouldn't be bable to monopolize and cheat people and have the "rights" defended. Noone has the right to do what some people do.mealex

no, since I actually care about myself and my peers I am a very strict capitalist

Capitalism is leaps and bounds beyond communism in terms of success. No social classes? how exactly do you plan on avoiding that? Also you believe in freedom of speech an no surpression but you take away peoples right to have private property in which they work for

you silly ass communists believe that we should all work and receive everything equally... but what happens when in a communist society when a doctor dosent do his job as well as he should because of the fact that hes still going to get all the same things as a garbage man.

Equallity in nature is absolutely impossible, communism is unnatural only capitalism can prevail. If any "communist" country ever becomes a world power, they are doomed to fall. Even slight socialist tendancies are ticking time bombs

now, assuming our country was free of the federal reserve and we had ACTUAL money (not paper that FALSELY represents it) if our country ever fell apart, we would still have power because of the gold we have. Now with a communist one, or a highly socialist state you're **** entirely if the country falls apart.

I adore capitalism, its the closest thing to flawless that we have economically. Lefty ideas will never work out in the end.

nope, it will never work, and therefor I see no reason in trying to promote such an ideology .

Fascism prevails -l-Capitalism fails because the people become apathetic and eventually you get the greed we have now.X360PS3AMD05

no because communist could never work communist would only work in a perfect world but since are world is not perfect communist CAN NEVER WORK Hman321

[QUOTE="mealex"]I'm a true communist. i don't believe in suppression of the people or freedom of speech I love both I just believe that social classes, should not exist. People shouldn't be bable to monopolize and cheat people and have the "rights" defended. Noone has the right to do what some people do.Laymsp0t

no, since I actually care about myself and my peers I am a very strict capitalist

Capitalism is leaps and bounds beyond communism in terms of success. No social classes? how exactly do you plan on avoiding that? Also you believe in freedom of speech an no surpression but you take away peoples right to have private property in which they work for

you silly ass communists believe that we should all work and receive everything equally... but what happens when in a communist society when a doctor dosent do his job as well as he should because of the fact that hes still going to get all the same things as a garbage man.

Equallity in nature is absolutely impossible, communism is unnatural only capitalism can prevail. If any "communist" country ever becomes a world power, they are doomed to fall. Even slight socialist tendancies are ticking time bombs

now, assuming our country was free of the federal reserve and we had ACTUAL money (not paper that FALSELY represents it) if our country ever fell apart, we would still have power because of the gold we have. Now with a communist one, or a highly socialist state you're **** entirely if the country falls apart.

I adore capitalism, its the closest thing to flawless that we have economically. Lefty ideas will never work out in the end.

Capitalism is not amazing it's just as bad as a corrupt commhnist government in different ways. And I never said I didn't care about people so don't twist my damn words around. I didn't say it was a perfect form of government, but capatalism is about as far away from flawless as anarchy. Jacked up prices on healthcare people pay 16 times the amount of what a medicine is worth to pay some fatass doctor in a goddamn business suit. People are dying because they simply can't afford the cost of supporting the upper class. The US government is not doing **** for our own lower class and homeless. Cuba has a goddamn better healthcare system than the US at least in a communist government the government can provide without slapping a corporate name on it jacking up prices and screwing everyone over.

[QUOTE="Laymsp0t"]

[QUOTE="mealex"]I'm a true communist. i don't believe in suppression of the people or freedom of speech I love both I just believe that social classes, should not exist. People shouldn't be bable to monopolize and cheat people and have the "rights" defended. Noone has the right to do what some people do.mealex

no, since I actually care about myself and my peers I am a very strict capitalist

Capitalism is leaps and bounds beyond communism in terms of success. No social classes? how exactly do you plan on avoiding that? Also you believe in freedom of speech an no surpression but you take away peoples right to have private property in which they work for

you silly ass communists believe that we should all work and receive everything equally... but what happens when in a communist society when a doctor dosent do his job as well as he should because of the fact that hes still going to get all the same things as a garbage man.

Equallity in nature is absolutely impossible, communism is unnatural only capitalism can prevail. If any "communist" country ever becomes a world power, they are doomed to fall. Even slight socialist tendancies are ticking time bombs

now, assuming our country was free of the federal reserve and we had ACTUAL money (not paper that FALSELY represents it) if our country ever fell apart, we would still have power because of the gold we have. Now with a communist one, or a highly socialist state you're **** entirely if the country falls apart.

I adore capitalism, its the closest thing to flawless that we have economically. Lefty ideas will never work out in the end.

Capitalism is not amazing it's just as bad as a corrupt commhnist government in different ways. And I never said I didn't care about people so don't twist my damn words around. I didn't say it was a perfect form of government, but capatalism is about as far away from flawless as anarchy. Jacked up prices on healthcare people pay 16 times the amount of what a medicine is worth to pay some fatass doctor in a goddamn business suit. People are dying because they simply can't afford the cost of supporting the upper class. The US government is not doing **** for our own lower class and homeless. Cuba has a goddamn better healthcare system than the US at least in a communist government the government can provide without slapping a corporate name on it jacking up prices and screwing everyone over.

The medical system in the States is sham at best and you bring up a good point that a majority of Americans would agree with, but Communism isn't the answer per say to fixing the problem. Special Interest groups in Washington, ie..Corruption,are the problem. Eradication of Special Interest groups is nearly impossible though, under any economic platform, as greed will always be a persistent problem.

Capitalism and Communism are far from perfect. A country needs to find the balance between the two, ie... a Market Economy and a Command Economy. It's not black and white, but rather a bunch of grey in between. As civilized societies, we have a moral obligation to take care of the sick and downtrodden, and not let them suffer and die in the streets. At the same time, society needs to be rewarding to people that work and accomplish things, ie.. property and wealth. People need motivation to become doctors or lawyers or professionals, it's just common nature, and prestige is what drives them. If someone is to study for 8 years, mastering the human heart, shouldn't they be paid once they attain a certain level of professionalism? I think so. They should be compensated more than the guy collecting my trash. This doesn't take away from the trash collector, he should be compensated as well for his/her dedication, but there is a difference, thus creating social class which is impossible to curtail. One human being will always top anothers accomplishments, it's just the real world. Communism in practice falls to the same problems. Government leaders become the aristocrats, the wealthy, and thus the Upper Class. Greed is something inherent in human beings, and once given a taste, it's like taking meat from a wild dog.
mismajor99

Very well written, and echoes my sentiments exactly. I believe people who put in more, should get more. Though I also believe as a society, we have a direct responsibility to help the poor, sick, and elderly. That's why when I look at my paycheck and see those social security and medicare deductions, it does not bother me one bit.I have plenty, and dont mind helping the ones who don't, even though they might be screw ups or just leeches.

No. I believe in individualism, having a housing market, and private investment.Bourbons3

I with you on that.

No. I believe in individualism, having a housing market, and private investment.Bourbons3

Agreed.

as bad as a corrupt commhnist government in different ways. And I never said I didn't care about people so don't twist my damn words around. I didn't say it was a perfect form of government, but capatalism is about as far away from flawless as anarchy. Jacked up prices on healthcare people pay 16 times the amount of what a medicine is worth to pay some fatass doctor in a goddamn business suit. People are dying because they simply can't afford the cost of supporting the upper class. The US government is not doing **** for our own lower class and homeless. Cuba has a goddamn better healthcare system than the US at least in a communist government the government can provide without slapping a corporate name on it jacking up prices and screwing everyone over.

well before I start let me say that these forums are an absolute technical joke because I shouldnt have to write my argument twice after submitting it only to have a quote tree in my post. Seriously gamespot, get on the ball already.

anyway im gonan try and say what I said in a nutshell rather than all the details because im actually quite angry about what I said not being posted after I typed it.

1. Capitalism by its definition is not corrupt. We have morons running our country who rely on borrowing and social programs to help people who dont want to do anything.

2. The reason prices are going up is because of inflation mostly (and bad policy obviously) technically speaking the IRS shouldnt even be around. Back in the day families had one income, a house and sent all there kids to college. You mean to tell me capitalism is bad?

3. anarchy is technically perfect because theres no flaws in it, just do whatever you want. but capitalism is the closest to economic perfect that we will ever have. No socialist or communist influence needed because it only ends up making things worse in the long run, and history is definately on my side with that. Not yours

also, I believe the whole purpose of communism is to eliminate government in the end result. That is technically anarchy. So I think you need to take your foot out of your mouth.

4. If we implement federal health care, then I believe healthcare will take a massive turn for the worse. It will all be like those free clinics we have for those lazy people who refuse to get off welfare. Why dont you take a trip down there next time you get sick or hurt. Im positive youll change your mind. The country is stretched so thin because of the silly worthless social programs we have these days, inplementing the healthcare is only going to make it worse.....

5. Like I said, the federal reserve lowering the value of our money ends up jacking the prices along with bad policy. Its not capitalism. I suggest you either learn more about capitalism (and not from a very literal retard like karl marx) or move to cuba so that I can give you a big "I told you so" when you come back (because you definately will)

6. Why even bother with medicine when you can just stay healthy throughout your life? Does everyone need to be hopped up on drugs in order to feel normal? The more drugs we have in our system, the less productive we are. Id rather pay some fatass doctor in a business suit rather than some guy who got put there by the government by some social program who really dosent do a good job because hes nor required to. If theres something wrong with me, i would still pay money to see a docter over going to a free government sponsored clinic.

7. The homeless are homless by their own fault and they arent exactly the ost motivated people on the earth. Why is it that me (someone who was actually born into a poor family) didnt end up homeless and they did? because most of the time they decide to do drugs their entire lives or just screw off in general. Thats not my problem, and I refuse to help them until they learn to help themselves. I dont lead horses to water when I know they wont drink and im definately not forcing the water down their throat.

Capitalism is evil, it is very obvious in history. Pure communism is unachievalbe because of human greed. However a mix of the two would be best. If capitalism or "free market" would be controlled by communism and closely watched than things would be better. Sort of like what the Chinese have but a little more liberal and communist.muscleserge

What the chinese have is a disgrace to humanity...

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Capitalism is evil, it is very obvious in history. Pure communism is unachievalbe because of human greed. However a mix of the two would be best. If capitalism or "free market" would be controlled by communism and closely watched than things would be better. Sort of like what the Chinese have but a little more liberal and communist.dnuggs40

What the chinese have is a disgrace to humanity...

not really...please explain your logic

Capitalism and Communism are far from perfect. A country needs to find the balance between the two, ie... a Market Economy and a Command Economy. It's not black and white, but rather a bunch of grey in between. As civilized societies, we have a moral obligation to take care of the sick and downtrodden, and not let them suffer and die in the streets. At the same time, society needs to be rewarding to people that work and accomplish things, ie.. property and wealth. People need motivation to become doctors or lawyers or professionals, it's just common nature, and prestige is what drives them. If someone is to study for 8 years, mastering the human heart, shouldn't they be paid once they attain a certain level of professionalism? I think so. They should be compensated more than the guy collecting my trash. This doesn't take away from the trash collector, he should be compensated as well for his/her dedication, but there is a difference, thus creating social class which is impossible to curtail. One human being will always top anothers accomplishments, it's just the real world. Communism in practice falls to the same problems. Government leaders become the aristocrats, the wealthy, and thus the Upper Class. Greed is something inherent in human beings, and once given a taste, it's like taking meat from a wild dog.
mismajor99

The problem is that there can be a very big difference in prestige and earnings. You cite doctors and lawyers as an example of people who work hard and get paid well in return. You forget professors however. Professors put in just as much effort and study as doctors and lawyers, yet get paid a fraction of what the latter earn. On the other hand you can have someone who's sole career is playing sports and yet outearns doctors, laywers, and professors. The problem about motivation in our society is that while it does exist, society has its priorities out of whack. Many times brilliant students have zero motivation to become a researcher because they know that the pay they'll get is so pathetic that they'll be in debt for a large portion of their life trying to pay back their student loans that they accumlated after 12 years of post-secondary education.

In a communist society such discrepencies wouldn't exist. Since pay would be equal people would be free to choose what careers they want based on how interesting or fun they find them, not how well that career will allow them to live. Prestige would also play a roll. Yes, you could earn the same collecting garbage as you could being a doctor, but which you would rather be? Furthermore, the education costs wouldn't be a problem because the government could provide every student with free education, be it to the second grade or to your third Ph.D.

Health care would also be universal to all citizens. Even though the US has some of the highest quality health care in the world, only the rich are able to take full advantage of it. The poor in the US are actually worse off than in other countries with lesser quality, but government sponsored, health care. Think about it: no more paying exhorbant health care insurance premiums only to have to worry about your insurance dropping you when you become bedridden in the hospital for six months (and for that matter, no more having to worry about losing your income if you become unable to work after a severe illness/accident). That's the beauty of a communist utopia: while no one can ever be a Bill Gates, no one will ever be homeless either.

Notice that I said "utopia". Its sad to say, but communism can never work. It's nice to dream though.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Capitalism and Communism are far from perfect. A country needs to find the balance between the two, ie... a Market Economy and a Command Economy. It's not black and white, but rather a bunch of grey in between. As civilized societies, we have a moral obligation to take care of the sick and downtrodden, and not let them suffer and die in the streets. At the same time, society needs to be rewarding to people that work and accomplish things, ie.. property and wealth. People need motivation to become doctors or lawyers or professionals, it's just common nature, and prestige is what drives them. If someone is to study for 8 years, mastering the human heart, shouldn't they be paid once they attain a certain level of professionalism? I think so. They should be compensated more than the guy collecting my trash. This doesn't take away from the trash collector, he should be compensated as well for his/her dedication, but there is a difference, thus creating social class which is impossible to curtail. One human being will always top anothers accomplishments, it's just the real world. Communism in practice falls to the same problems. Government leaders become the aristocrats, the wealthy, and thus the Upper Class. Greed is something inherent in human beings, and once given a taste, it's like taking meat from a wild dog.
gameguy6700

The problem is that there can be a very big difference in prestige and earnings. You cite doctors and lawyers as an example of people who work hard and get paid well in return. You forget professors however. Professors put in just as much effort and study as doctors and lawyers, yet get paid a fraction of what the latter earn. On the other hand you can have someone who's sole career is playing sports and yet outearns doctors, laywers, and professors. The problem about motivation in our society is that while it does exist, society has its priorities out of whack. Many times brilliant students have zero motivation to become a researcher because they know that the pay they'll get is so pathetic that they'll be in debt for a large portion of their life trying to pay back their student loans that they accumlated after 12 years of post-secondary education.

In a communist society such discrepencies wouldn't exist. Since pay would be equal people would be free to choose what careers they want based on how interesting or fun they find them, not how well that career will allow them to live. Prestige would also play a roll. Yes, you could earn the same collecting garbage as you could being a doctor, but which you would rather be? Furthermore, the education costs wouldn't be a problem because the government could provide every student with free education, be it to the second grade or to your third Ph.D.

Health care would also be universal to all citizens. Even though the US has some of the highest quality health care in the world, only the rich are able to take full advantage of it. The poor in the US are actually worse off than in other countries with lesser quality, but government sponsored, health care. Think about it: no more paying exhorbant health care insurance premiums only to have to worry about your insurance dropping you when you become bedridden in the hospital for six months (and for that matter, no more having to worry about losing your income if you become unable to work after a severe illness/accident). That's the beauty of a communist utopia: while no one can ever be a Bill Gates, no one will ever be homeless either.

Notice that I said "utopia". Its sad to say, but communism can never work. It's nice to dream though.

I only skimmed what you said, but I dont know whts wrong with being a bill gates. Bill is awesome and a very nice person.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Capitalism and Communism are far from perfect. A country needs to find the balance between the two, ie... a Market Economy and a Command Economy. It's not black and white, but rather a bunch of grey in between. As civilized societies, we have a moral obligation to take care of the sick and downtrodden, and not let them suffer and die in the streets. At the same time, society needs to be rewarding to people that work and accomplish things, ie.. property and wealth. People need motivation to become doctors or lawyers or professionals, it's just common nature, and prestige is what drives them. If someone is to study for 8 years, mastering the human heart, shouldn't they be paid once they attain a certain level of professionalism? I think so. They should be compensated more than the guy collecting my trash. This doesn't take away from the trash collector, he should be compensated as well for his/her dedication, but there is a difference, thus creating social class which is impossible to curtail. One human being will always top anothers accomplishments, it's just the real world. Communism in practice falls to the same problems. Government leaders become the aristocrats, the wealthy, and thus the Upper Class. Greed is something inherent in human beings, and once given a taste, it's like taking meat from a wild dog.
Laymsp0t

The problem is that there can be a very big difference in prestige and earnings. You cite doctors and lawyers as an example of people who work hard and get paid well in return. You forget professors however. Professors put in just as much effort and study as doctors and lawyers, yet get paid a fraction of what the latter earn. On the other hand you can have someone who's sole career is playing sports and yet outearns doctors, laywers, and professors. The problem about motivation in our society is that while it does exist, society has its priorities out of whack. Many times brilliant students have zero motivation to become a researcher because they know that the pay they'll get is so pathetic that they'll be in debt for a large portion of their life trying to pay back their student loans that they accumlated after 12 years of post-secondary education.

In a communist society such discrepencies wouldn't exist. Since pay would be equal people would be free to choose what careers they want based on how interesting or fun they find them, not how well that career will allow them to live. Prestige would also play a roll. Yes, you could earn the same collecting garbage as you could being a doctor, but which you would rather be? Furthermore, the education costs wouldn't be a problem because the government could provide every student with free education, be it to the second grade or to your third Ph.D.

Health care would also be universal to all citizens. Even though the US has some of the highest quality health care in the world, only the rich are able to take full advantage of it. The poor in the US are actually worse off than in other countries with lesser quality, but government sponsored, health care. Think about it: no more paying exhorbant health care insurance premiums only to have to worry about your insurance dropping you when you become bedridden in the hospital for six months (and for that matter, no more having to worry about losing your income if you become unable to work after a severe illness/accident). That's the beauty of a communist utopia: while no one can ever be a Bill Gates, no one will ever be homeless either.

Notice that I said "utopia". Its sad to say, but communism can never work. It's nice to dream though.

I only skimmed what you said, but I dont know whts wrong with being a bill gates. Bill is awesome and a very nice person.

There's nothing wrong with it. I was simply saying that although the drawback to communism is that no one can ever become absurdly rich and powerful to the point of having all of society at their fingertips, the benefit is that no one can become a casuality of society either.

I'm a true communist. i don't believe in suppression of the people or freedom of speech I love both I just believe that social classes, should not exist. People shouldn't be bable to monopolize and cheat people and have the "rights" defended. Noone has the right to do what some people do.mealex

Huh? Suppression of the people is the removal of freedom of speach! So you would rather have someone telling you what you can and cannot say? Communism is a pipe dream. You can't change human nature. There will always be someone who wants all the power and all the control. Communism focuses the power to the select few, and leaves the masses with nothing and treats them like cattle in pasture. Control and manipulation. Thats the true nature of communism.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Capitalism is evil, it is very obvious in history. Pure communism is unachievalbe because of human greed. However a mix of the two would be best. If capitalism or "free market" would be controlled by communism and closely watched than things would be better. Sort of like what the Chinese have but a little more liberal and communist.jointed

What the chinese have is a disgrace to humanity...

not really...please explain your logic

Google: china human right violations

Then research the systematic murder of monks wishing to travel outside of china to visit the Dali Lama.

Then research their prison system, that forces inmates to work for corporations as goverment slaves.

China is an absolute disgrace to human rights.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Capitalism is evil, it is very obvious in history. Pure communism is unachievalbe because of human greed. However a mix of the two would be best. If capitalism or "free market" would be controlled by communism and closely watched than things would be better. Sort of like what the Chinese have but a little more liberal and communist.dnuggs40

What the chinese have is a disgrace to humanity...

not really...please explain your logic

Google: china human right violations

Then research the systematic murder of monks wishing to travel outside of china to visit the Dali Lama.

Then research their prison system, that forces inmates to work for corporations as goverment slaves.

China is an absolute disgrace to human rights.

haha, you can label 2/3s of the world a disgrace to human rights then.

I already know about their violations of human rights and it's nothing compared to African countries or other Asian countries.

And it really doesn't matter, their communistic/capitalistic system works pretty good for the citizens.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Capitalism is evil, it is very obvious in history. Pure communism is unachievalbe because of human greed. However a mix of the two would be best. If capitalism or "free market" would be controlled by communism and closely watched than things would be better. Sort of like what the Chinese have but a little more liberal and communist.jointed

What the chinese have is a disgrace to humanity...

not really...please explain your logic

Google: china human right violations

Then research the systematic murder of monks wishing to travel outside of china to visit the Dali Lama.

Then research their prison system, that forces inmates to work for corporations as goverment slaves.

China is an absolute disgrace to human rights.

haha, you can label 2/3s of the world a disgrace to human rights then.

I already know about their violations of human rights and it's nothing compared to African countries or other Asian countries.

And it really doesn't matter, their communistic/capitalistic system works pretty good for the citizens.

I didn't say anything about other countries, of course many African countries are a disgrace. That of course, does not change the fact that China is a disgrace.

The fact you seem to look past this just becuase there are other countries that have violations as well is troubling...

And to laugh about it? That is scary...