Another school shooting, 17 dead

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#51 93BlackHawk93
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Sickening.

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#52 MrGeezer
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It's an issue of priorities. Schools and the students inside them are less of a priority than a courthouse that has armed security, police, cameras, and metal detectors.

It's an issue of money. Most cities have FAR more schools than they do courthouses and it is a LOT cheaper and easier to safeguard ONE location than it is a LOT of schools. It would take SERIOUS money to have every school as secure as a courthouse. And if we're willing to pony up the cash for that, then why the f*** is it so hard to convince taxpayers to instead spend that kind of money on actual QUALITY OF EDUCATION? Is that where we're at? Where we close our wallets when it comes to funding our schools, but we're all for paying out the ass in order to make our schools turn into courthouses? Is that how we see our kids? Just little criminals? And what effect would that have once they leave the school system after spending the entirety of their formative years being treated like criminals?

Also, and I hate to say it because this sounds cold as hell, but kids aren't "worth" as much as lawyers and judges. Kids in school don't know shit and most of them don't actually contribute shit. Furthermore, if a tiny percentage of them die, then they're also easily replaceable (in the sense that more kids will pop up who are providing the same contributions to society). By contrast, a JUDGE getting murdered is a much bigger deal. Firstly, there aren't as many judges available. Secondly, it's harder to find a suitable replacement since becoming a judge requires some extensive serious training that most people aren't willing or able to do. I hate to say it, but a shooting spree in a courthouse in which a bunch of lawyers and judges are killed would have a far bigger noticeable effect.

And yes, I realize that on an emotional level hearing this kind of thing makes one sick to one's stomach. But it's freaking true and nothing's ever going to get done until people face reality. Simply making all schools as secure as courthouses is slapping a band-aid on a gaping wound. That doesn't address why this stuff is hapening so much in schools, and it doesn't do anything to safeguard society from these people once they leave the school system. All of these potential threats are eventually going to leave school and get JOBS. If they're enough of a threat when they're in school, how the hell do they suddenly STOP being a threat once they've graduated? What the hell is the plan for post-school treatment of these individuals? You can force taxpayers to spend the money to make all SCHOOLS safe, but you can't exact make all BUSINESSES as secure as courthouses. So the same people who we're paying out the ass to treat like little criminals are then going to graduate and turn into NORMAL PEOPLE. How the hell do you safeguard against that threat? The same kids who are requiring searches by armed guards just in order to go to school are very soon going to turn into the people serving your food and doing the plumbing in your home. Did they somehow stop being killers the day they graduated? And if not, how does treating these kids like criminals while they're in school address the fact that most of those kids are eventually going to turn into the same people who fix our cars and sell us our food?

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#53 KillzoneSnake
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Who cares? More people die everyday from shootings in the USA and nobody cares. Go look at Chicago lol. If there are more guns than people in the US it is normal deaths will happen. Live with it. Life is death, fight it.

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#54 Baconstrip78
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@MrGeezer: I agree. We want freedom to be weirdos and introverted. That’s why this road ends with giving up guns. People are not going to continue to stand for mass murders, and you would have to be pretty dense not to feel the tide turning. So either you are going to need to accept overreaches by the government into your social media profiles and every aspect of your mental health being scrutinized or even criminalized, or...and I’m shocked to be saying this as a gun owner myself, we are going to need to hand them over when the people of this nation finally demand we do so.

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#55  Edited By superbuuman
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News reporting..that this psycho was reported to FBI..but FBI did nothing...& they admitted they did nothing.. -_- Aren't they meant to stop this shit from happening?..or have they been distracted by other shit & not doing their job.

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#56 shellcase86
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@MrGeezer: You're not wrong about the money. It would take considerable cost and resources.

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@superbuuman said:

News reporting..that this psycho was reported to FBI..but FBI did nothing...& they admitted they did nothing.. -_- Aren't they meant to stop this shit from happening?..or have they been distracted by other shit & not doing their job.

they have all quit or been fired so the team is really thin

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#58  Edited By superbuuman
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@tryit said:
@superbuuman said:

News reporting..that this psycho was reported to FBI..but FBI did nothing...& they admitted they did nothing.. -_- Aren't they meant to stop this shit from happening?..or have they been distracted by other shit & not doing their job.

they have all quit or been fired so the team is really thin

Then something else need to take over the FBI...sounds like FBI organisation is dead..& needs to be closed down. Not doing its job.

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Metal detectors sound great but consider how many entrances each school has. Every single public school needs one for each door. Lot of $$ and it has to come from somewhere, someone's budget has to get cut to do so, maybe NASA's, maybe state grants for road work...I say take it from Welfare budget.

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@tryit said:
@superbuuman said:

News reporting..that this psycho was reported to FBI..but FBI did nothing...& they admitted they did nothing.. -_- Aren't they meant to stop this shit from happening?..or have they been distracted by other shit & not doing their job.

they have all quit or been fired so the team is really thin

Then something else need to take over the FBI...sounds like FBI organisation is dead..& needs to be closed down. Not doing its job.

FBI has a ton on their plate. Actually one of them is that they are investigating my local Sewage company for some shady stuff, that is to say it's been open investigation for a year now and I'm sure there are countless investigations that have already been underway for a while. They can't do it all but I'm sure they're hiring, maybe you should look into joining, be proactive.

Of course that may not be the problem. We are told to "see something, say something" so it's contradictory to say something only to have it ignored. But it is going through an immediate review to see where they screwed up however they are certainly not dead, overworked perhaps but not dead.

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@shellcase86 said:

It's an issue of priorities. Schools and the students inside them are less of a priority than a courthouse that has armed security, police, cameras, and metal detectors.

It is because of priorities but there's no issue. The reality is school shooting simply don't occur frequent enough to warrant all of those things. Guarantee you look into leading causes of death on school grounds across the US, guns don't even rate in the top 10. Schools, especially ones with limited resources, have to spent money in address those causes and education (you know the reason why they exist in the first place?) rather than wasting money for some parents piece of mind. For those exceptions with high gang and drug related shootings, they already have all of those things.

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@superbuuman said:
@tryit said:
@superbuuman said:

News reporting..that this psycho was reported to FBI..but FBI did nothing...& they admitted they did nothing.. -_- Aren't they meant to stop this shit from happening?..or have they been distracted by other shit & not doing their job.

they have all quit or been fired so the team is really thin

Then something else need to take over the FBI...sounds like FBI organisation is dead..& needs to be closed down. Not doing its job.

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#62 TryIt
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@pimphand_gamer said:

Metal detectors sound great but consider how many entrances each school has. Every single public school needs one for each door. Lot of $$ and it has to come from somewhere, someone's budget has to get cut to do so, maybe NASA's, maybe state grants for road work...I say take it from Welfare budget.

@superbuuman said:
@tryit said:
@superbuuman said:

News reporting..that this psycho was reported to FBI..but FBI did nothing...& they admitted they did nothing.. -_- Aren't they meant to stop this shit from happening?..or have they been distracted by other shit & not doing their job.

they have all quit or been fired so the team is really thin

Then something else need to take over the FBI...sounds like FBI organisation is dead..& needs to be closed down. Not doing its job.

FBI has a ton on their plate. Actually one of them is that they are investigating my local Sewage company for some shady stuff, that is to say it's been open investigation for a year now and I'm sure there are countless investigations that have already been underway for a while. They can't do it all but I'm sure they're hiring, maybe you should look into joining, be proactive.

Of course that may not be the problem. We are told to "see something, say something" so it's contradictory to say something only to have it ignored. But it is going through an immediate review to see where they screwed up however they are certainly not dead, overworked perhaps but not dead.

are people not aware that TOP brass in in the FBI have been leaving in droves in record numbers or being fired all because of one person?

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#63 superbuuman
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School Officer Avoided Confronting Gunman For 4-6 Minutes While Students Were Slaughtered

If true that's pretty sad & disgusting..the one armed person chickened out.

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#64 Pee_Wee_Griffin
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You people need to wake up to the fact that this shooting was a Black Op carried out by North Korea to disarm the American people for a future invasion.

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#65 Baconstrip78
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Why are school shootings an FBI problem at all? Seems like following up on some local wacko’s reported threats are a perfect job for local PD who seem to do nothing in most towns other than ticket motorists and direct traffic.

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@bmanva said:
@shellcase86 said:

It's an issue of priorities. Schools and the students inside them are less of a priority than a courthouse that has armed security, police, cameras, and metal detectors.

It is because of priorities but there's no issue. The reality is school shooting simply don't occur frequent enough to warrant all of those things. Guarantee you look into leading causes of death on school grounds across the US, guns don't even rate in the top 10. Schools, especially ones with limited resources, have to spent money in address those causes and education (you know the reason why they exist in the first place?) rather than wasting money for some parents piece of mind. For those exceptions with high gang and drug related shootings, they already have all of those things.

One school shooting is too many.

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#67  Edited By br0kenrabbit
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@shellcase86 said:

It's an issue of priorities. Schools and the students inside them are less of a priority than a courthouse that has armed security, police, cameras, and metal detectors.

It is because of priorities but there's no issue. The reality is school shooting simply don't occur frequent enough to warrant all of those things. Guarantee you look into leading causes of death on school grounds across the US, guns don't even rate in the top 10. Schools, especially ones with limited resources, have to spent money in address those causes and education (you know the reason why they exist in the first place?) rather than wasting money for some parents piece of mind. For those exceptions with high gang and drug related shootings, they already have all of those things.

One school shooting is too many.

You know his opinion would be completely different if a Muslim student had carried out the shooting, even if said Muslim had no attachment to Islamic extremism.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@shellcase86 said:

It's an issue of priorities. Schools and the students inside them are less of a priority than a courthouse that has armed security, police, cameras, and metal detectors.

It is because of priorities but there's no issue. The reality is school shooting simply don't occur frequent enough to warrant all of those things. Guarantee you look into leading causes of death on school grounds across the US, guns don't even rate in the top 10. Schools, especially ones with limited resources, have to spent money in address those causes and education (you know the reason why they exist in the first place?) rather than wasting money for some parents piece of mind. For those exceptions with high gang and drug related shootings, they already have all of those things.

One school shooting is too many.

Depending on whether you're more concerned about the students welfare or the method which they are killed or injured. I'm sure parents of dead kid from drug find little comfort in knowing their child wasn't shot.

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#69 bmanva
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@br0kenrabbit said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@shellcase86 said:

It's an issue of priorities. Schools and the students inside them are less of a priority than a courthouse that has armed security, police, cameras, and metal detectors.

It is because of priorities but there's no issue. The reality is school shooting simply don't occur frequent enough to warrant all of those things. Guarantee you look into leading causes of death on school grounds across the US, guns don't even rate in the top 10. Schools, especially ones with limited resources, have to spent money in address those causes and education (you know the reason why they exist in the first place?) rather than wasting money for some parents piece of mind. For those exceptions with high gang and drug related shootings, they already have all of those things.

One school shooting is too many.

You know his opinion would be completely different if a Muslim student had carried out the shooting, even if said Muslim had no attachment to Islamic extremism.

You'd both be wrong. Feel free to dig them up but I'm not shy about my opposition to trump's muslim ban or trump in general. You should stop assuming anyone with opposing stance in one particular topic is reflective of their entire political outlook/ideology. There's nothing about the second amendment (or any right outlined in the bill of rights) that fundamentally associate it to extreme end of the political spectrum unless you're for autocracy.

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#70 LJS9502_basic
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@bmanva said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@shellcase86 said:

It's an issue of priorities. Schools and the students inside them are less of a priority than a courthouse that has armed security, police, cameras, and metal detectors.

It is because of priorities but there's no issue. The reality is school shooting simply don't occur frequent enough to warrant all of those things. Guarantee you look into leading causes of death on school grounds across the US, guns don't even rate in the top 10. Schools, especially ones with limited resources, have to spent money in address those causes and education (you know the reason why they exist in the first place?) rather than wasting money for some parents piece of mind. For those exceptions with high gang and drug related shootings, they already have all of those things.

One school shooting is too many.

Depending on whether you're more concerned about the students welfare or the method which they are killed or injured. I'm sure parents of dead kid from drug find little comfort in knowing their child wasn't shot.

And yet they aren't even close to being the same thing but you gun "enthusiasts" pretend they are rather than attack the gun problem this country has. One other developed nations don't have.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@bmanva said:

It is because of priorities but there's no issue. The reality is school shooting simply don't occur frequent enough to warrant all of those things. Guarantee you look into leading causes of death on school grounds across the US, guns don't even rate in the top 10. Schools, especially ones with limited resources, have to spent money in address those causes and education (you know the reason why they exist in the first place?) rather than wasting money for some parents piece of mind. For those exceptions with high gang and drug related shootings, they already have all of those things.

One school shooting is too many.

Depending on whether you're more concerned about the students welfare or the method which they are killed or injured. I'm sure parents of dead kid from drug find little comfort in knowing their child wasn't shot.

And yet they aren't even close to being the same thing but you gun "enthusiasts" pretend they are rather than attack the gun problem this country has. One other developed nations don't have.

Dead kids are dead kids, if your bottomline is saving kid lives then it's only reasonable to use school funding to address the issue claiming the most lives. So in that respect, yes, they are not the same thing since one is a much more prevalent issue than the other. And no, there's no gun problem in this country; gun violence is a symptom of larger socioeconomic and cultural problems. Saying there's a gun problem in the US is like saying there's a rope and tall structure problem in Japan because of the high suicide rate by hanging and jumping. And if you think guns are the ONLY difference between US and other developed nations then you haven't been paying attention.

Drugs: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/28/15881246/drug-overdose-deaths-world
Poverty: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/10/29/child-poverty-in-the-u-s-is-among-the-worst-in-the-developed-world/
Education: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/12/american-schools-vs-the-world-expensive-unequal-bad-at-math/281983/
Everything else: https://qz.com/879092/the-us-doesnt-look-like-a-developed-country/

US is bad at a lot of things, the high body count reflect all of that.

And even if we were to entertain the ridiculous notion that all of these problems would to cease manifesting themselves if we address "the gun problem" in this country, how would you go about doing that? There's currently over 300 million guns in circulation and technology is making it easier and cheaper to circumvent most form of gun control:

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#72 LJS9502_basic
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@bmanva: Apples and oranges. Children die every day and that's a tragedy. School shooting are a disgrace.