Ancient Confession Found: We Invented Jesus Christ

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#1 Edited by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

very interesting. cant wait to see what he will reveal on the 19th.

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#2 Posted by hippiesanta (10299 posts) -

Joseph Atwill should do that to the muslim .... and wait for their rection

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#3 Edited by Barbariser (6785 posts) -

This guy is a crackpot conspiracy theorist and nobody (especially us atheists) should listen to him.

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#4 Edited by lightleggy (16090 posts) -

@hippiesanta: Yeah, I thought muslims acknowledged Jesus' existance even before all the stuff with the roman empire?.

Also, I don't buy it because I'd assume that romans would have shaped the story to their best interests, which they most certainly didn't.

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#5 Posted by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

LOL....I have some government monuments and national parks to sell you.

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#6 Edited by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

Bridges! London bridges here! Get your London bridges; big bridges, small bridges, we got 'em all!

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#7 Edited by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

Bridges! London bridges here! Get your London bridges; big bridges, small bridges, we got 'em all!

I don't know man.....London Bridge is falling down...

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#8 Posted by ferrari2001 (17760 posts) -

It'll be just like the book of Judas and many other hoax books they've found. The chance of finding anything written by the founders of Christianity intact 2000 years later is very very slim.

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#10 Posted by Perfect_Blue (29816 posts) -

Can't wait to see how many jimmies will be rustled.

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#11 Posted by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Makhaidos said:

Bridges! London bridges here! Get your London bridges; big bridges, small bridges, we got 'em all!

I don't know man.....London Bridge is falling down...

That is an unsubstantiated and uncorroborated rumor. I assure you, our patented London bridges are 100% safe and sturdy! No fair ladies around here!

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#12 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

I think it's entirely possible, and quite plausible that jesus was in fact invented...however this new 'discovery' is probably nothing much to go on.

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#13 Edited by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Makhaidos said:

Bridges! London bridges here! Get your London bridges; big bridges, small bridges, we got 'em all!

I don't know man.....London Bridge is falling down...

That is an unsubstantiated and uncorroborated rumor. I assure you, our patented London bridges are 100% safe and sturdy! No fair ladies around here!

But I like My Fair Lady...

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#14 Posted by tenaka2 (17050 posts) -

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

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#15 Posted by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

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#16 Posted by tenaka2 (17050 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Then don't start a discussion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

There is no evidence for the existence of any gods past or present of any religion, ever. To believe in something with 100% conviction while having 0% proof, it not a rational thought process.

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#17 Edited by ferrari2001 (17760 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Hey people like Thomas Aquinas and Descartes aren't known to anyone under the age of 12 or who lived under a rock.

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#18 Posted by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Then don't start a discussion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

There is no evidence for the existence of any gods past or present of any religion, ever. To believe in something with 100% conviction while having 0% proof, it not a rational thought process.

I wasn't arguing your opinion on the existence of a God. It was the other crap you spouted which was false. I don't argue over opinion dude.

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#19 Posted by Deadpool-n (489 posts) -

I think it is entirely possible. Just not probable.

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#20 Edited by tenaka2 (17050 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Then don't start a discussion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

There is no evidence for the existence of any gods past or present of any religion, ever. To believe in something with 100% conviction while having 0% proof, it not a rational thought process.

I wasn't arguing your opinion on the existence of a God. It was the other crap you spouted which was false. I don't argue over opinion dude.

It is a fact that there is zero evidence for the existence of god, that is not an opinion.

Since I only wrote one sentence it is unclear what you mean by 'other crap'.

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#21 Edited by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Then don't start a discussion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

There is no evidence for the existence of any gods past or present of any religion, ever. To believe in something with 100% conviction while having 0% proof, it not a rational thought process.

I wasn't arguing your opinion on the existence of a God. It was the other crap you spouted which was false. I don't argue over opinion dude.

It is a fact that there is zero evidence for the existence of god, that is not an opinion.

Since I only wrote one sentence it is unclear what you mean by 'other crap'.

In Your Opinion there is zero evidence. Not everyone's dude. It's arrogant to think you know what someone else has experienced/thinks.

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#22 Posted by ferrari2001 (17760 posts) -

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Then don't start a discussion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

There is no evidence for the existence of any gods past or present of any religion, ever. To believe in something with 100% conviction while having 0% proof, it not a rational thought process.

I wasn't arguing your opinion on the existence of a God. It was the other crap you spouted which was false. I don't argue over opinion dude.

It is a fact that there is zero evidence for the existence of god, that is not an opinion.

Since I only wrote one sentence it is unclear what you mean by 'other crap'.

Dude he's saying he won't argue the 2nd part of your post that is a religious person has to lack reason and logical thought. History alone shows that there are many religious people wrought in reason and logical though. That part of your statement is absolutely false.

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#23 Posted by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

I can only assume he argues this to support his ideas. He doesn't seem to allow that others reach decisions different than his own.

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#24 Posted by deeliman (3728 posts) -

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

There are 100's of religious people throughout history that have made important scientific discoveries using reason and logic. Please take your ignorance elsewhere.

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#25 Posted by lonewolf604 (8639 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

There are 100's of religious people throughout history that have made important scientific discoveries using reason and logic. Please take your ignorance elsewhere.

That still doesn't mean the religious belief can't still be illogical.

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#26 Posted by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

@lonewolf604 said:

@deeliman said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

There are 100's of religious people throughout history that have made important scientific discoveries using reason and logic. Please take your ignorance elsewhere.

That still doesn't mean the religious belief can't still be illogical.

Which is what someone says who doesn't understand belief. Which was my point.

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#27 Posted by ferrari2001 (17760 posts) -

@lonewolf604 said:

@deeliman said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

There are 100's of religious people throughout history that have made important scientific discoveries using reason and logic. Please take your ignorance elsewhere.

That still doesn't mean the religious belief can't still be illogical.

Sure religious belief can be illogical but does that necessarily mean all religious belief is illogical.

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#28 Edited by lonewolf604 (8639 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@lonewolf604 said:

@deeliman said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

There are 100's of religious people throughout history that have made important scientific discoveries using reason and logic. Please take your ignorance elsewhere.

That still doesn't mean the religious belief can't still be illogical.

Which is what someone says who doesn't understand belief. Which was my point.

I've been going to church since I was born. For years I've been trying to understand it, I still go (because I play music) and also for the social factor. I understand that religion gives people hope and a warm fuzzy feeling. But l get those feelings outside of religion so I don't need it....plus, putting "faith" in something you can't see or hear to me, is illogical. That's just what I feel.

If you don't mind LJ, I would like to hear why you are religious.

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#29 Edited by deeliman (3728 posts) -

@lonewolf604 said:

@deeliman said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

There are 100's of religious people throughout history that have made important scientific discoveries using reason and logic. Please take your ignorance elsewhere.

That still doesn't mean the religious belief can't still be illogical.

I responded to someone who said that religious people are incapable of using reason or logical thought. I never said that religious belief can't be illogical.

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#30 Posted by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

@lonewolf604 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Which is what someone says who doesn't understand belief. Which was my point.

I've been going to church since I was born. For years I've been trying to understand it, I still go (because I play music) and also for the social factor. I understand that religion gives people hope and a warm fuzzy feeling. But l get those feelings outside of religion so I don't need it....plus, putting "faith" in something you can't see or hear to me, is illogical. That's just what I feel.

If you don't mind LJ, I would like to hear why you are religious.

Because it made the most sense to me. It's not like I didn't question religion as I grew. For a time there I didn't know if I would be able to believe. But I did give it some thought as to why and using logic and reason....I did come to see that there was more out there than humans.

And a few times in my l life I have had instances where that was reinforced to me. It's nothing that I can give you as proof. It's nothing that will make you believe if you don't have faith....but I was answered in such ways as to know it wasn't just me and what I wanted.

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#31 Edited by GOGOGOGURT (4470 posts) -

Religion is better than anarchy.

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#32 Posted by deeliman (3728 posts) -

@GOGOGOGURT said:

Religion is better than anarchy.

You don't need religion to prevent anarchy.

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#33 Edited by lightleggy (16090 posts) -

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Then don't start a discussion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

There is no evidence for the existence of any gods past or present of any religion, ever. To believe in something with 100% conviction while having 0% proof, it not a rational thought process.

Believing in something while having 0 proof of its existance is not irrational, believing in something when there's concrete, empyrical evidence that directly disproves it, is.

And dont tell me "oh well science already disproved the existance of God!", I'm not talking about "We know about the big bang thus God doesn't exists!". There is still no direct, concrete evidence about it, even scientists accept that crap.

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#34 Posted by deactivated-59f03d6ce656b (2944 posts) -

I'm going with this is a really dumb theory that makes no sense and most historians agree that Jesus was a real person.

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#35 Posted by kraken2109 (13271 posts) -

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#36 Edited by GOGOGOGURT (4470 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@GOGOGOGURT said:

Religion is better than anarchy.

You don't need religion to prevent anarchy.

Right, you can have something worse. Total efficiency.

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#37 Posted by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

It sounds like a very probably situation. Rome would have a lot to gain from a group of religious folks that would "turn the other cheek" instead of battling to the death. Will read...

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#38 Edited by deeliman (3728 posts) -

@Person0 said:

I'm going with this is a really dumb theory that makes no sense and most historians agree that Jesus was a real person.

Really? I tried to google search it and I couldn't find any info on that. What I did find however, is that there is no historical evidence that he existed.

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#39 Edited by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@Person0 said:

I'm going with this is a really dumb theory that makes no sense and most historians agree that Jesus was a real person.

Really? I tried to google search it and I couldn't find any info on that. What I did find however, is that there is no historical evidence that he existed.

He existed in a book made up and written by a group of men, so he had to be real!

/sarcasm.

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#40 Posted by deactivated-59f03d6ce656b (2944 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@Person0 said:

I'm going with this is a really dumb theory that makes no sense and most historians agree that Jesus was a real person.

Really? I tried to google search it and I couldn't find any info on that. What I did find however, is that there is no historical evidence that he existed.

It pretty widely accepted that there was guy named Yeshua who lived in that area around that time.

The whole son of god and a messiah part not so much.

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#41 Posted by deeliman (3728 posts) -

@Person0 said:

@deeliman said:

@Person0 said:

I'm going with this is a really dumb theory that makes no sense and most historians agree that Jesus was a real person.

Really? I tried to google search it and I couldn't find any info on that. What I did find however, is that there is no historical evidence that he existed.

It pretty widely accepted that there was guy named Yeshua who lived in that area around that time.

The whole son of god and a messiah part not so much.

There were multiple people with that name.

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#42 Posted by deactivated-59f03d6ce656b (2944 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@Person0 said:

@deeliman said:

@Person0 said:

I'm going with this is a really dumb theory that makes no sense and most historians agree that Jesus was a real person.

Really? I tried to google search it and I couldn't find any info on that. What I did find however, is that there is no historical evidence that he existed.

It pretty widely accepted that there was guy named Yeshua who lived in that area around that time.

The whole son of god and a messiah part not so much.

There were multiple people with that name.

Let me rephrase that.

Its widely accepted that a jewish man named Yeshua or Jesus was baptized and crucified.

Sorta limits it to Jesus from the bible.

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#43 Posted by BranKetra (51726 posts) -

This is probably going to be falsified.

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#44 Posted by tenaka2 (17050 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Then don't start a discussion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

There is no evidence for the existence of any gods past or present of any religion, ever. To believe in something with 100% conviction while having 0% proof, it not a rational thought process.

I wasn't arguing your opinion on the existence of a God. It was the other crap you spouted which was false. I don't argue over opinion dude.

It is a fact that there is zero evidence for the existence of god, that is not an opinion.

Since I only wrote one sentence it is unclear what you mean by 'other crap'.

In Your Opinion there is zero evidence. Not everyone's dude. It's arrogant to think you know what someone else has experienced/thinks.

There is no evidence, that is not an opinion, people are free to think what they like, some people may think unicorns are real, as there is currently no evidence to suggest that unicorns exist, I would personally think it is unlikely.

As there is currently no evidence for the existence of any the gods in human history, I personally think there is little chance of there being any gods. If any evidence was found, my opinion may change.

LJ it is dishonest for you to suggest that there is evidence of gods existing, as you know there is none.

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#45 Posted by lightleggy (16090 posts) -

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

Not true....but since you don't understand it....there isn't anything to be gained by discussing it with you.

Then don't start a discussion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

There is no evidence for the existence of any gods past or present of any religion, ever. To believe in something with 100% conviction while having 0% proof, it not a rational thought process.

I wasn't arguing your opinion on the existence of a God. It was the other crap you spouted which was false. I don't argue over opinion dude.

It is a fact that there is zero evidence for the existence of god, that is not an opinion.

Since I only wrote one sentence it is unclear what you mean by 'other crap'.

In Your Opinion there is zero evidence. Not everyone's dude. It's arrogant to think you know what someone else has experienced/thinks.

There is no evidence, that is not an opinion, people are free to think what they like, some people may think unicorns are real, as there is currently no evidence to suggest that unicorns exist, I would personally think it is unlikely.

As there is currently no evidence for the existence of any the gods in human history, I personally think there is little chance of there being any gods. If any evidence was found, my opinion may change.

LJ it is dishonest for you to suggest that there is evidence of gods existing, as you know there is none.

Tenaka, It is dishonest to say that believing in something with no current evidence is irrational, when you later say that if evidence is later found your opinion would most likely change.

What you meant to say was "believing in something that has already been directly disproven with absolute certainess is irrational". Which is not the case with the existance of God.

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#46 Edited by The-Apostle (12195 posts) -

Right... It's not like there were any historians who weren't Roman who were witnesses or anything...

*Cough*Josephus*Cough*Cough*

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#47 Posted by Jebus213 (10002 posts) -

If Jesus ever did exist he was a cult leader.

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#48 Edited by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@tenaka2 said:

It doesn't matter if jesus existed or not, it wont matter to the believers, to be religious a person must be lacking in reason and logical thought.

There are 100's of religious people throughout history that have made important scientific discoveries using reason and logic. Please take your ignorance elsewhere.

People have a knack for this little thing called 'compartmentalization.' Turn your brain into a partitioned hard drive, allowing them to hold conflicting ideas

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#49 Posted by LJS9502_basic (161708 posts) -

@tenaka2 said:

There is no evidence, that is not an opinion, people are free to think what they like, some people may think unicorns are real, as there is currently no evidence to suggest that unicorns exist, I would personally think it is unlikely.

As there is currently no evidence for the existence of any the gods in human history, I personally think there is little chance of there being any gods. If any evidence was found, my opinion may change.

LJ it is dishonest for you to suggest that there is evidence of gods existing, as you know there is none.

Congratulations....you missed the entire point.

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#50 Edited by Braun_Roid_Rage (790 posts) -

lmao at this dumb ass topic and all these atheist mofo's that think they know it all. GTFO