Americans......

Can you guys tell me why you're still arming Egypt?

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/6/muslim-brotherhood-inherits-us-war-gear/

Why Egypt needs and deserves M1A1 tanks and F16s...?

And what other military rival Egypt has in the region besides Israel (also supplied by the US).....?

Can you guys tell me why you're still arming Egypt?

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/6/muslim-brotherhood-inherits-us-war-gear/

Why Egypt needs and deserves M1A1 tanks and F16s...?

And what other military rival Egypt has in the region besides Israel (also supplied by the US).....?

Storm_Marine

The rest of the countries in that area buy their arms from Russia.

Can you tell me why Russia is still supplying arms to Syria?

So they can develop them or something...

Arming muslim brotherhood Egypt and Israel just seems like good business to me. The more paranoid they get of each other the more sales and $.

Arming muslim brotherhood Egypt and Israel just seems like good business to me. The more paranoid they get of each other the more sales and $.

KingKinect

I didn't know we as a country are held accountable for our government's actions.

Why don't you write a letter to congress and ask them yourself?

I didn't know we as a country are held accountable for our government's actions.

Why don't you write a letter to congress and ask them yourself?

airshocker

:lol: you elect them after all.GazaAli

So just because we elect them we are responsible for them? What happened to people being responsible for their own actions? We don't prosecute the voters when one of their representatives are indicted for a crime. How is this any different?

You're asking OT American to explain the policy of decades of politicians and heads of state?

Good luck with that.

[QUOTE="KingKinect"]

Arming muslim brotherhood Egypt and Israel just seems like good business to me. The more paranoid they get of each other the more sales and $.

ZX81plus3

It's not Lord of War, it's "Warlord". If you didn't understand that reference yes I have seen it. It's the one with the hot hookers he can't bang because he might get aids :( Personally I would have taken my chances.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] :lol: you elect them after all.airshocker

So just because we elect them we are responsible for them? What happened to people being responsible for their own actions? We don't prosecute the voters when one of their representatives are indicted for a crime. How is this any different?

The difference is this.. This wasn't some random crime, this was typical US policy that really hasn't changed for 40 years.. Hell yes you can blame the voter for this because this has been going on for so long.. This isn't just some random event that took every one by surprise, this is long standing policy..

The difference is this.. This wasn't some random crime, this was typical US policy that really hasn't changed for 40 years.. Hell yes you can blame the voter for this because this has been going on for so long.. This isn't just some random event that took every one by surprise, this is long standing policy..

sSubZerOo

Until voters can be held accountable for the crimes of politicians your point is invalid.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The difference is this.. This wasn't some random crime, this was typical US policy that really hasn't changed for 40 years.. Hell yes you can blame the voter for this because this has been going on for so long.. This isn't just some random event that took every one by surprise, this is long standing policy..

airshocker

Until voters can be held accountable for the crimes of politicians your point is invalid.

This isn't a crime though, this is long standing US policy..

This isn't a crime though, this is long standing US policy..

sSubZerOo

Same principle. US voters cannot be held accountable for what elected politicians do. An individual is responsible for their own actions.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] :lol: you elect them after all.airshocker

So just because we elect them we are responsible for them? What happened to people being responsible for their own actions? We don't prosecute the voters when one of their representatives are indicted for a crime. How is this any different?

The rest of the countries in that area buy their arms from Russia.

Can you tell me why Russia is still supplying arms to Syria?

Jackc8

Isn't that the whole point of a representative democracy? We can't have all people involved in decision making so we let them elect few people to represent them in governance and policy making. Being indicted for a crime is irrelevant to one's political career, its only relevant to his/her personal life. Another point is I'd buy into your "voters are not responsible for the actions of the representatives they elected" argument if those voters where somehow deceived to elect them once. But these people keep getting reelected over and over and you'd expect voters to have enough responsibility/maturity to elect some decent people.GazaAli

Yes, it is. So how can a voter be responsible for their representative if they are not responsible for the crimes of those representatives? It makes no sense. You can't cherry pick just because it suits you. It's either all, or nothing.

Because they pay for them?

We'll sell too anybody who will pay for them. Otherwise they'll just go buy weapons from Russia. We would rather have their money.

All of the major weapons the US and Russia exports are always the "export" version of them. Neither the US or Russia ever sells their standard military equipment. As a rule of thumb you never sell somebody a weapon that is better than your own.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

This isn't a crime though, this is long standing US policy..

airshocker

Same principle. US voters cannot be held accountable for what elected politicians do. An individual is responsible for their own actions.

So why do people elect politicians? I'm not saying people should be persecuted for their representatives' crimes/poor decisions, but on a political level voters will have to face the repercussions of their elected politicians' policies and decisions. That's why people overthrow governments and why Americans right now are blaming Obama, Bush..etc for the economy. seriously :?GazaAli

That is exactly what you're saying. There's no middle-ground here.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Isn't that the whole point of a representative democracy? We can't have all people involved in decision making so we let them elect few people to represent them in governance and policy making. Being indicted for a crime is irrelevant to one's political career, its only relevant to his/her personal life. Another point is I'd buy into your "voters are not responsible for the actions of the representatives they elected" argument if those voters where somehow deceived to elect them once. But these people keep getting reelected over and over and you'd expect voters to have enough responsibility/maturity to elect some decent people.airshocker

Yes, it is. So how can a voter be responsible for their representative if they are not responsible for the crimes of those representatives? It makes no sense. You can't cherry pick just because it suits you. It's either all, or nothing.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]So why do people elect politicians? I'm not saying people should be persecuted for their representatives' crimes/poor decisions, but on a political level voters will have to face the repercussions of their elected politicians' policies and decisions. That's why people overthrow governments and why Americans right now are blaming Obama, Bush..etc for the economy. seriously :?airshocker

That is exactly what you're saying. There's no middle-ground here.

Isn't that the whole point of a representative democracy? We can't have all people involved in decision making so we let them elect few people to represent them in governance and policy making. Being indicted for a crime is irrelevant to one's political career, its only relevant to his/her personal life. Another point is I'd buy into your "voters are not responsible for the actions of the representatives they elected" argument if those voters where somehow deceived to elect them once. But these people keep getting reelected over and over and you'd expect voters to have enough responsibility/maturity to elect some decent people.GazaAli

This is an educational video on how the two party system works :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

Also :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTJ0qYR6YFo

Because they pay for them?

We'll sell pretty much anybody weapons who will pay for them. Otherwise they'll just go buy weapons from Russia. We would rather have their money.

All of the major weapons the US and Russia exports are always the "export" version of them. Neither the US or Russia ever sells their standard military equipment. As a rule of thumb you never sell somebody a weapon that is better than your own.

Wasdie

When a voter votes for a politician, s/he does so based on their political beliefs and expectations. They do not elect politicians for their morality, sexual orientation...etcGazaAli

That isn't what we're talking about.

ok then tell me why do people vote?GazaAli

I don't care why people vote. The only thing I'm talking about is regards to voters being held accountable for their politicians actions.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]ok then tell me why do people vote?airshocker

I don't care why people vote. The only thing I'm talking about is regards to voters being held accountable for their politicians actions.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] When a voter votes for a politician, s/he does so based on their political beliefs and expectations. They do not elect politicians for their morality, sexual orientation...etcairshocker

That isn't what we're talking about.

Can't you tell me regardless?GazaAli

Why should I talk about something that has nothing to do with my original point...?

It is if you insist that voters are either fully responsible for the actions of their elected representatives or not at all.GazaAli

No it isn't.

Do you have anything else to say other than NO or I DON'T WANT TO?GazaAli

When you stop acting like kuraimen and get back to the point I'm actually talking about, sure.

I didn't know we as a country are held accountable for our government's actions.

Why don't you write a letter to congress and ask them yourself?

airshocker

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Do you have anything else to say other than NO or I DON'T WANT TO?airshocker

When you stop acting like kuraimen and get back to the point I'm actually talking about, sure.

Well in a representative democracy we are at least a little bit accountable for our government's actions.PWSteal_Ldpinch

I disagree. Now if I was a leading member of the party, complicit in some type of scandal or crime, then absolutely I would be responsible.

But in the eyes of the law no one is accountable for the actions of somebody else except in some very particular circumstances.

Acting like what exactly?GazaAli

He has a tendency to prattle on about things that aren't directly related to the points others are making. Then expects them to respond to those points.

I don't play that game.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I didn't know we as a country are held accountable for our government's actions.

Why don't you write a letter to congress and ask them yourself?

PWSteal_Ldpinch

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Acting like what exactly?airshocker

He has a tendency to prattle on about things that aren't directly related to the points others are making. Then expects them to respond to those points.

I don't play that game.

What a boss. That's a sh!tty excuse to end a discussion.GazaAli

It's kuraimen, there's never a sh*tty reason to end a discussion with him.

I have no problems discussing anything with anybody. I'm not the one bringing up arbitrary points that have nothing to do with my original point.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]What a boss. That's a sh!tty excuse to end a discussion.airshocker

It's kuraimen, there's never a sh*tty reason to end a discussion with him.

I have no problems discussing anything with anybody. I'm not the one bringing up arbitrary points that have nothing to do with my original point.

It's to keep them happy so they remain "friendly"

It's to keep them happy so they remain "friendly"

BossPerson

Airshocker doesn't seem to know what a representaitve democracy entails.

When a country has been doing the same thing for decades, at least to a certain extent, the voters who put them in office and didn;t make it an issue are responsible (to some extent).

That's a pretty shortsighted way of looking at things. When people discuss something they don't just focus on it directly with a yes or no approach. They tend to approach it from different angles and take into account several related things on various levels. I can see however that you are not a fan which is fine anyway.GazaAli

You've done no such thing. If you have a point to make, something that would give me a reason to blame voters for the actions of their representatives, then make it.

Airshocker doesn't seem to know what a representaitve democracy entails.

When a country has been doing the same thing for decades, at least to a certain extent, the voters who put them in office and didn;t make it an issue are responsible (to some extent).

BossPerson

I seem to know much more than any of you. I'm not trying to hold voters accountable for things they have no control over.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

Airshocker doesn't seem to know what a representaitve democracy entails.

When a country has been doing the same thing for decades, at least to a certain extent, the voters who put them in office and didn;t make it an issue are responsible (to some extent).

airshocker

I seem to know much more than any of you. I'm not trying to hold voters accountable for things they have no control over.