America is going CRAZY...Time to Ban Guns

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#701 The_Ish
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That Constitutional point however is overused. The second doesn't give you the protection you think it does. It is really concerned more with militias and the like. Personal private gun ownership is in the hands of the State if I'm not mistaken. I believe even the Supreme Court agrees on that one. So you could have a gun ban without even touching the 2nd Amendment, technically. I'm not advocating that as a realistic achieveable goal, I'm just saying.

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I disagree, since the second Amendment extends the right to bear arms to the people since it declares: "a well-regulated militia as being necessary to the security of a free State and prohibits infringement of the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

If it was only militias and "the like", it would have read: "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms".

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#702 RamboSymbiot
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Whether guns are banned or not...aint nobody takin this gun from me.

sdd

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#703 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"]

That Constitutional point however is overused. The second doesn't give you the protection you think it does. It is really concerned more with militias and the like. Personal private gun ownership is in the hands of the State if I'm not mistaken. I believe even the Supreme Court agrees on that one. So you could have a gun ban without even touching the 2nd Amendment, technically. I'm not advocating that as a realistic achieveable goal, I'm just saying.

The_Ish

I disagree, since the second Amendment extends the right to bear arms to the people since it declares: "a well-regulated militia as being necessary to the security of a free State and prohibits infringement of the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

If it was only militias and "the like", it would have read: "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms".

If the Court of Appeals can't agree on this point, we're sure as hell not going to.

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#704 Fire_Ants
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Boogaloo!

Im a crazy fishstick covered in strawberrys! :|

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#705 SilentFireX
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People always have and always will find ways to kill people. Guns are just some of the newest and most efficient ways of doing it with no harm to yourself. First of all, criminals will always be able to obtain guns illegally, and taking away the right of law-abiding citizens to legally own firearms would only benefit the criminals.

Even if somehow it was managed that every firearm on the planet was destroyed, people with the intent of murder would find a new way to kill others. Legally-obtainable firearms are not the problem - people are. Those who say that guns are the problem are just fools looking for a scapegoat without thinking their so-called solution through properly.

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#706 The_Ish
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If the Court of Appeals can't agree on this point, we're sure as hell not going to.

dsmccracken

You're right. We need a third party. What would Bill Cosby say?

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#707 swizz-the-gamer
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They should 100% ban guns.
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#708 Infinite-Zr0
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You do know that by banning guns, you're only taking them away from law abiding citizens right?

With the lax import/export laws of the US, there will be no short supply of illegal firearms.

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#709 peppersfan2
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="james28893"]

That really is a very slight increase after a relatively large drop.

dsmccracken

True, but my point with Jointed was that a rising crime rate in relation to a rising rate of gun crimes is not a minor problem at all, and it's something to be taken seriously.

http://newsdaily.com/TopNews/UPI-1-20080125-11421100-bc-britain-crime.xml

The crime rate isn't rising. And though the rising rate of gun crimes is slightly worrying (if it's indeed true)...it's not a major problem.

There is no shortage of American right wing (NRA sponsered) websites that will tell you that gun control was followed by massive gun crime spikes. What they won't mention is that their stats mainly deal with the period directly after the new laws. They might point out drops in American crime, neglecting to point out corresponding gun legislation like the Clinton assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill, etc.


Except the Assualt Weapons ban didn't lower crime. The weapons it targeted were not major contributors to gun violence. Like you said criminals use hand guns not 32 inch rifles. Assualt Weapons ban was a attempt to ban semi automatic weapons without saying "were banning semi auto weapons." You know I could kill as many people with a bolt action hunting rifle as with a semi auto rifle with no major difference.

Why the Assualt Weapons ban was dumb.

Of these two weapons the one on the top gets banned. The other bottom one functions just the same semi automatic same bullets everything but it doesn't have the "millitary appeearence that scares people in fact it made as a civilian rifle.

1. Illegal under Assualt Weapons Ban

2.Legal under ban same caliber and mag size

3.Illegal

4.Legal but same function same caliber semiautomatic.

5.Illegal

6.Legal

When they made the Assualt Weapon ban they didn't know what they were talking about. It didn't change anything because criminals didn't use them. Under the ban Columbine still happend. Manufactures still sold AK-47's they just changed features to make them legal.

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#710 dlp21
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They should 100% ban guns.swizz-the-gamer

There is a Ban on Drugs, Absinth, Cuban Cigars, etc, yet people get their hands on them in the Black Market.

Banning guns in America is just not as easy as banning gun's in the UK. For one, the country is magnitudes the size of the UK which allows for guns to be hidden. Also, guns are still legal in Mexico and Canada which means that unlike the UK which is an island, there is still a means for guns to come into America via our inability to search every person/vehicle, that comes into the US. Also, the US, especially states like NJ, GA, and AL, need hunters to thin out deer population so that Deer are able to survive.

Also consider all the history that the US has with Firearms, a complete ban on guns means the destruction of even guns from the Civil War, WWI, and WWII.

So how do we solve the issues that the US is faced with today.

1) Create a background database that contains a few facts about every person that is only accessible via SSN to a Non-Govt ran organization. Things that should be included are Mental Defect, Felony, History of Violence/Domestic Violence. That is it, and the Government may only access the database through warrant. Also make it federal law that all the above situations are reported to the database or penalties will ensue on those that fail to comply.

2) Remove and destroy all illegal guns in America, and create great penalties for possesion of an illegal firearm.

3) Ensure that background checks are done at gun shows, there does not need to be a wait if we implement #1

4) Allow everyone in America, no matter what city, county, or state they are in to be able to recieve a carry and conciel liscense. Everyone must take a saftey class and understand the consequence of firearm use.

5) Allow everyone to defend their property with a firearm without the fear of reprecussions to themselves.

Now of course there are many semantics that need to be ironed out here, but implementing those 5 things in America would greatly reduce the ever decreasing amount of gun crime in America.

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#711 dlp21
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The only reason we banned assault weapons is because they LOOK menacing.
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#712 UssjTrunks
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Because violence never happened in history...

LJS9502_basic


Not like this.
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#713 freshgman
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Because violence never happened in history...

UssjTrunks


Not like this.

Are you kidding?
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#714 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Because violence never happened in history...

UssjTrunks



Not like this.

Agreed....it was actually much worse.;)

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#715 gia15623
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Right on, i am a true southerner raised in south georgia and i will not allow a big liberal government to steal my property that the only lives i ever take are those are of foul and big game this is so true

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]They should 100% ban guns.dlp21

There is a Ban on Drugs, Absinth, Cuban Cigars, etc, yet people get their hands on them in the Black Market.

Banning guns in America is just not as easy as banning gun's in the UK. For one, the country is magnitudes the size of the UK which allows for guns to be hidden. Also, guns are still legal in Mexico and Canada which means that unlike the UK which is an island, there is still a means for guns to come into America via our inability to search every person/vehicle, that comes into the US. Also, the US, especially states like NJ, GA, and AL, need hunters to thin out deer population so that Deer are able to survive.

Also consider all the history that the US has with Firearms, a complete ban on guns means the destruction of even guns from the Civil War, WWI, and WWII.

So how do we solve the issues that the US is faced with today.

1) Create a background database that contains a few facts about every person that is only accessible via SSN to a Non-Govt ran organization. Things that should be included are Mental Defect, Felony, History of Violence/Domestic Violence. That is it, and the Government may only access the database through warrant. Also make it federal law that all the above situations are reported to the database or penalties will ensue on those that fail to comply.

2) Remove and destroy all illegal guns in America, and create great penalties for possesion of an illegal firearm.

3) Ensure that background checks are done at gun shows, there does not need to be a wait if we implement #1

4) Allow everyone in America, no matter what city, county, or state they are in to be able to recieve a carry and conciel liscense. Everyone must take a saftey class and understand the consequence of firearm use.

5) Allow everyone to defend their property with a firearm without the fear of reprecussions to themselves.

Now of course there are many semantics that need to be ironed out here, but implementing those 5 things in America would greatly reduce the ever decreasing amount of gun crime in America.

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#716 darkmoney52
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What happens when we live in a totalitarian government and all of our rights to defend ourselves have been taken away? I bet you'd want a gun then...D9-THC

If the government takes that kind of control it won't matter if you have guns or not, the gov will have better guns,armor, and trained soldiers.

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#717 ConBro
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There is another mass shooting, it seems that every week now theres some gunman going crazy.. and it is getting more common.

America is in a war of itself. This country is starting to become really screwed up. When was the last time you have seen a dad teaches his 8yr old girl how to shoot a 50 caliber machine gun?

All these people say "No War!" but yet they turn around and teaches their little girl how to shoot a machine gun? WTF

Media needs to stop promoting violence. And ban guns. For anyone who wants to obtain guns they need to go through testing, similar to getting a drivers license but much harder.

This way things like this doesn't happen.xTw1st4x

Ok Hillary. Or is that Nancy Pelosi? :roll: Lemme guess.... stop the war, too?

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#718 xTw1st4x
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Whether guns are banned or not...aint nobody takin this gun from me.

sdd

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True that ROFLMAO....

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#719 ConBro
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Oh yeah, and time to ban cars too right? Because a few people in the US choose to drive drunk, and cause accidents? Guns don't kill people, Idiots do.
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#720 dsmccracken
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Oh yeah, and time to ban cars too right? Because a few people in the US choose to drive drunk, and cause accidents? Guns don't kill people, Idiots do.ConBro

Idiots don't help, that's for damn sure, but I'm sorry: guns do, in fact, kill people. You don't ban cars because of drunk drivers, but you do (and you have) take other steps to control/limit the problem. Just like with anything. Gun control =/= gun banning.

Besides, you can make a legitimate case that even WITH the vehicular death rate in the U.S. (hell, even if it was tripled), a banning of cars would bring society to a screaching halt in a way that banning guns could never do.

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#721 smokeydabear076
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Oh yeah, and time to ban cars too right? Because a few people in the US choose to drive drunk, and cause accidents? Guns don't kill people, Idiots do.ConBro
And so do crazy people who don't take their meds, but I highly doubt that if there were a gun ban that a crazy person would ever consider breaking the law and get a gun by illegal means... I mean they might be crazy enough to shoot people with legal weapons, but crazy enough to shoot people with illegal weapons? No way in hell.
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#722 MarineJcksn
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Banning guns is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. All it does is enable more violence. The people who want guns for malicious purposes are always going to be able to obtain them, you'll never stop the black market on arms sales be it to foreign militia death squads or violent criminals here in the US. The bottom line is keeping guns in the hands of law abiding citizens who know how to operate them properly is key to maintaining the ability to defend ourselves.
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#723 Hoobinator
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Banning guns is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. All it does is enable more violence. The people who want guns for malicious purposes are always going to be able to obtain them, you'll never stop the black market on arms sales be it to foreign militia death squads or violent criminals here in the US. The bottom line is keeping guns in the hands of law abiding citizens who know how to operate them properly is key to maintaining the ability to defend ourselves. MarineJcksn

That is so right on so many levels. :|

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#724 Rayze78
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I am glad to see people actually see the point that if we ban guns, then the only people that will have them are criminals. And since they know that everyone else will be un armed, then crime will go through the roof. I am glad to see I am not the only one who thinks that. (Feel free, anyone, to read/comment on my current blog about this).
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#725 ConkerAndBerri2
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banning guns is impossible. remember the emenmants? (dont know how to spell) the right to bear arms. its impossible to ban guns because its easy as hell to get an M16 into america as it is to play a game. america isnt secure because theres no way there isnt dozens of flaws in our security. not to mention that america is hated by many countries because our leader is R-Tarded. and theres hundreds of thousands of people that know how to make a gun.