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#1 johnd13
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So we' re supposed to do a project for a class in college which can be done either individually or in teams of two. Most students, including me, are doing it on their own.

I have a friend who, even though is a nice guy (and overly religious), is not really gentle when it comes to getting a good grade. He doesn' t study methodically and so wants me and others to explain every little detail to him by constantly spamming us on skype when we' re already occupied with our own studying and whenever we have an assignment he just wants others to tell him what to do without putting a decent amount of effort himself.

So this time he left everything for the last 2 weeks when we had initially 2 months for the project and a few minutes ago asked me to hand my assignment together(and get the same grade) and that he could do whatever he could to help(at this point he can' t really help). I said no. Am I being selfish?

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#2 UCF_Knight
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No. It's called not being an idiot. Not subjecting to the will of others doesn't make you selfish.
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#3 CreasianDevaili
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If you stand your ground now and in the future, then no. If you break and feel like an ass and help him, which encourages him to be a lazy bastard, then yeah.
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#4 psymon100
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Am I being selfish?

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No.

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#5 johnd13
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If you stand your ground now and in the future, then no. If you break and feel like an ass and help him, which encourages him to be a lazy bastard, then yeah. CreasianDevaili

I won' t change my mind. I put a lot of effort into this project and that' s probably why I said no even though for a moment I seriously considered it.

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#6 CreasianDevaili
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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]If you stand your ground now and in the future, then no. If you break and feel like an ass and help him, which encourages him to be a lazy bastard, then yeah. johnd13

I won' t change my mind. I put a lot of effort into this project and that' s probably why I said no even though for a moment I seriously considered it.

Long as you keep it that way then I think its better. Otherwise if you start helping him on the small stuff again he will, once again, think you will help him on bigger stuff. That 2 month deadline project is worth a big % of your final grade right?
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#7 Laihendi
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Yes you are being selfish, and there is nothing wrong with that. Your friend sounds like a nuisance and from what I can tell there is no good reason for you to carry him through a class.
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#8 UCF_Knight
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Yes you are being selfish, and there is nothing wrong with that. Your friend sounds like a nuisance and from what I can tell there is no good reason for you to carry him through a class.Laihendi
Where is the selfish part? This would mean not acquiescing to every whim is being selfish.
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#9 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Yes you are being selfish, and there is nothing wrong with that. Your friend sounds like a nuisance and from what I can tell there is no good reason for you to carry him through a class.UCF_Knight
Where is the selfish part? This would mean not acquiescing to every whim is being selfish.

I guess I should instead say this - If he took his own self-interest into consideration when making his decision, then he was being selfish. I assumed that he did, but maybe he didn't.
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#10 Mink
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No, you're not, but I'd probably have said yes. I have a guilt complex, just drag a friend across the finish line because you can.
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#11 punkpunker
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no, you're just standing out to yourself. which is good considering you are likely being pushed to do most of the work.

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#12 johnd13
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no, you're just standing out to yourself. which is good considering you are likely being pushed to do most of the work.

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I would do ALL the work lol.

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So we' re supposed to do a project for a class in college which can be done either individually or in teams of two. Most students, including me, are doing it on their own.

I have a friend who, even though is a nice guy (and overly religious), is not really gentle when it comes to getting a good grade. He doesn' t study methodically and so wants me and others to explain every little detail to him by constantly spamming us on skype when we' re already occupied with our own studying and whenever we have an assignment he just wants others to tell him what to do without putting a decent amount of effort himself.

So this time he left everything for the last 2 weeks when we had initially 2 months for the project and a few minutes ago asked me to hand my assignment together(and get the same grade) and that he could do whatever he could to help(at this point he can' t really help). I said no. Am I being selfish?

no ur not selfish.

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#14 johnd13
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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Yes you are being selfish, and there is nothing wrong with that. Your friend sounds like a nuisance and from what I can tell there is no good reason for you to carry him through a class.Laihendi
Where is the selfish part? This would mean not acquiescing to every whim is being selfish.

I guess I should instead say this - If he took his own self-interest into consideration when making his decision, then he was being selfish. I assumed that he did, but maybe he didn't.

His habits are really getting on my nerves lately and I just thought this time he crossed the line. I don' t have anything to lose if I help him-but after working so hard and taking so much of my free time for this project I thought it would be unfair and most people seem to agree with this.

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#15 johnd13
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[QUOTE="johnd13"]

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]If you stand your ground now and in the future, then no. If you break and feel like an ass and help him, which encourages him to be a lazy bastard, then yeah. CreasianDevaili

I won' t change my mind. I put a lot of effort into this project and that' s probably why I said no even though for a moment I seriously considered it.

Long as you keep it that way then I think its better. Otherwise if you start helping him on the small stuff again he will, once again, think you will help him on bigger stuff. That 2 month deadline project is worth a big % of your final grade right?

It' s worth 40% and for the teacher is the best chance to see if we get the basics of Java(I' m CS).

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#16 Legend002
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No. You don't want people like him competing for your job in the future. What you are doing is going help him in life.

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#17 Zeviander
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Despite what others are saying, yes, you are being selfish... BUT WAIT! Do not despair! This is a healthy response to the situation. You should want to look out for your best interests, and not give a free pass to anyone unwilling to work as hard as you. If anyone acts derisively towards you because you will not allow them benefit from your hard work, cast them off without regret.
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#18 UCF_Knight
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Despite what others are saying, yes, you are being selfish... Zeviander
Again, this would mean not acquiescing to every whim of every person is being selfish. def: (of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure. He's not concerned with himself, he's just not agreeing to benefit someone else. I'll benefit by having the most recent lottery winner share their winnings with me. Are they selfish because they don't? No, of course not.
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#19 Ilovegames1992
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Yes.

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#20 Zeviander
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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] Again, this would mean not acquiescing to every whim of every person is being selfish. def: (of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure. He's not concerned with himself, he's just not agreeing to benefit someone else. I'll benefit by having the most recent lottery winner share their winnings with me. Are they selfish because they don't? No, of course not.

I am stating that selfishness is *not* a negative trait. The TC is looking out for his own self-interest. There are different degrees of selfishness, the kind you are thinking about is radical self-interest that shuns all contact with other human beings; i.e. clinical narcissism
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no.

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] Again, this would mean not acquiescing to every whim of every person is being selfish. def: (of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure. He's not concerned with himself, he's just not agreeing to benefit someone else. I'll benefit by having the most recent lottery winner share their winnings with me. Are they selfish because they don't? No, of course not.

I am stating that selfishness is *not* a negative trait. The TC is looking out for his own self-interest. There are different degrees of selfishness, the kind you are thinking about is radical self-interest that shuns all contact with other human beings; i.e. clinical narcissism

And I never claimed you said it was negative. Regardless, this is not selfishness according to it's very own definition. You're suggesting that by not acquiescing to someone's desire, he is acting purely out of self interest. He's not acting 'chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure'. He's refusing a request on the grounds that someone doesn't deserve it. He gains nothing from this. If I ask you to take a video of yourself running around your neighborhood naked, and you refuse, you are not doing so because you are selfish. There's a distinction between refusing someone assistance for personal benefit, and refusing someone who's making a ludicrous request. Also this has nothing to do with clinical narcissism. I have no idea why you threw that in there, other than for the sake of using the term.
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#23 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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Yes you are being selfish, but in this case, the self-interest is justified. Your friend is trying to mooch off you and this may set a bad precedent, meaning that he may try do the same thing in the future and put even less effort into his own work.
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#24 sandlot76
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So we' re supposed to do a project for a class in college which can be done either individually or in teams of two. Most students, including me, are doing it on their own.

I have a friend who, even though is a nice guy (and overly religious), is not really gentle when it comes to getting a good grade. He doesn' t study methodically and so wants me and others to explain every little detail to him by constantly spamming us on skype when we' re already occupied with our own studying and whenever we have an assignment he just wants others to tell him what to do without putting a decent amount of effort himself.

So this time he left everything for the last 2 weeks when we had initially 2 months for the project and a few minutes ago asked me to hand my assignment together(and get the same grade) and that he could do whatever he could to help(at this point he can' t really help). I said no. Am I being selfish?

johnd13

Hell no, you did the work. He can't expect or assume you're going to carry him. Not fair to you

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#25 General_X
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It is wholly unfair for you to put in the work and for him to get equal credit. It's not being selfish, it's getting the credit you deserve and denying him credit he does not deserve.