A Quick Question About Religion.

Many theists, in regards to the big bang, come to say "How can the Universe come from nothing?"

Now first off, no scientist ever says or implies this. That quote is made out of ignorance to the subject of the big bang.

NONE THE LESS! Let's, just for the sake of it, believe that is true. It is implying, there has to be a start, a beginning, from some kind of designer. As Dawkins put it:The natural temptation is to attribute the appearance of design to actual design itself. In the case of a man-made artefact such as a watch, the designer really was an intelligent engineer. It is tempting to apply the same logic to an eye or a wing, a spider or a person.

But, doesn't this argument somewhat equate to a rebuttle to theists: Then who designed God? Isn't God the equivalent to the big bang, in the sense of arugment? Someone had to create the Universe is the same dispute as someone had to create God, no?

God created himself, obviously.

To say that everything requires a "beginning" implies the existance of time. God is outside of time, also before the "big bang" there was nothing, which means there was no time either, so the argument fails in that manner too

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I see this place really hasn't changed all that much.Pearl_of_Egypt

To say that everything requires a "beginning" implies the existance of time. God is outside of time, also before the "big bang" there was nothing, which means there was no time either, so the argument fails in that manner too

Otacon6669

[QUOTE="Pearl_of_Egypt"]I see this place really hasn't changed all that much.LJS9502_basic

i see it as this: scientists are trying to figure out HOW the universe was created. NOT just saying "God made it." Religions just trust what people put in a holy book with NO scientific evidence AT ALL. I'd rather go along with an educated guess/hypothesis than just agree with something written in the bible. Nobody really knows exactly how the universe was made (because we weren't born yet) but science can try to explain it better than "God made it".

Many theists, in regards to the big bang, come to say "How can the Universe come from nothing?"

Now first off, no scientist ever says or implies this. That quote is made out of ignorance to the subject of the big bang.

NONE THE LESS! Let's, just for the sake of it, believe that is true. It is implying, there has to be a start, a beginning, from some kind of designer. As Dawkins put it:The natural temptation is to attribute the appearance of design to actual design itself. In the case of a man-made artefact such as a watch, the designer really was an intelligent engineer. It is tempting to apply the same logic to an eye or a wing, a spider or a person.

But, doesn't this argument somewhat equate to a rebuttle to theists: Then who designed God? Isn't God the equivalent to the big bang, in the sense of arugment? Someone had to create the Universe is the same dispute as someone had to create God, no?

MetallicaKings

this wasn't necessaryUniverseIX