A few things I have learned by reading the Quran

@Nuck81: KKK per Wikipedia

It's worth noting: "Though most members of the KKK saw themselves in holding to American values and Christian morality, virtually every Christian denomination officially denounced the Ku Klux Klan."

Ahhhh, you mean like how most of the worlds 1.2 billion Muslims denounce the terrorism done in their religions name.

Gotcha

great, so we've reached a stalemate. :|

No, I've merely walked you into a double standard that was already there, but you weren't knowledgeable enough to see.

You're probably not very good at Chess are you?

Does it count that I read some of the Quran if I read the summary in the first post?

its more than many bellievers have, so high five

@helwa1988: Myth? tell that to the rape victims in imprisoned.

I'm okay at it. My mid-game could use some work, but I'm not bad.

@10854:

I didn't say it was a myth that rape victims get imprisoned . I said it was a myth that islam says a rape victim should be imprisoned. You cant judge what these muslim majority countries as to what islam says. Because most of them are following what their culture says instead of what islam says.

agreed

Actually I don't think Islam has the same problems modern Christianity does. So far as I know there are not large numbers of Christians that are members of or support terrorist groups in the name of Christianity, in a way comparable to support in the Muslim world for groups like ISIS, Al Qaida, Boko Haram, Hamas and Hezbollah, or that frequently attack and try to kill non-believers or force them to convert. Now it may very well be a minority of Muslims who are supporting these things, but the minority is sizable enough to constitute a large segment of the population. Generally speaking majority Christian countries do not treat non-Christians as second-hand citizens, but Majority-Muslim countries do often restrict the rights of non-Muslims.

As for the true message being "subverted" by greed, fanaticism and desire for power and influence, that's not just a Muslim or a Christian thing, that's true for every religion and philosophy (including "secular religions"). A lot of people are greedy and prone to fanaticism and a desire for power, regardless of their religion or lack thereof. As far as the true message of a religion being "subverted" by Dogma, that doesn't make much sense. A dogma is essentially a belief that a certain group holds to be true. So the "true message" of a religion can't be "subverted" by the dogma of a religion, since the "true message" and the "dogma" are both the same thing (i.e. the "beliefs" of the religion).

I'll admit, you almost got me to bite.

I don't think so. There is not widespread support of terrorism among Christians or Jews today. A more accurate example for you to use would have been Communists or Anarchists. Those are indeed pretty violent groups, more so than Islam I would say.

It's all those christian suicide bombers, and jews flying planes into buildings. *rolls eyes*.

PFFF! Really? So what's happening in Gaza right now? What about all the thousands and thousands of people USA have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? You call yourself a christian country... Hell it's the same with England and anyone else that helped with the war down there. And don't forget that Russians are also christian, they kill people in Georgia, Cheznya and Ukraine

None of those are being done for religious reasons.

@LJS9502_basic: You could argue that. It's still religion clashing and religious leaders in charge

No it's not. For arguments sake let's say you are from Belize. If you and I get into a confrontation would I be correct in blaming it on Belize? No. Just because an individual or a group are x does not mean everything they do is related to x. You seem to want neat little packages to place people in and assign blame. Life is not like that.

you're incredibly naive to think that no violence ever has nothing to do with reliigion

That isn't what I said. But your constant attempt to make every violent act based on religion is dishonest.

http://podbay.fm/show/73330895/e/1395921000?autostart=1

go to 47:00

Yeah...this isn't going to end well.

There are large numbers of Christians who support state terrorism, and use Christianity to justify it. But because it's state terrorism, despite it causing far more death and destruction than non-state terrorism, it often gets a free pass in a way non-state terrorism wouldn't. When a non-state-sanctioned Muslim psycho kills a bunch of people, we call it "terrorism". When a state-sanctioned Christian psycho bombs a town full of civilians, we call it "war". It's a bit like how we always condemn and harshly punish petty, badly-dressed, ghetto thugs who commit low-level crimes, yet give a free pass to far bigger, smartly-dressed, wealthy criminals who commit high-level crimes that destroy far more lives. The difference is that wealthier criminals have the power and influence to legitimize their crimes, whereas the poorer criminals do not.

- There's been plenty of bombings and murders on abortion clinics and doctors by religious right wing Christian fundamentalist.

- In Lebanon Christian malitia's committed genocide against Shiite Muslims.

- Religion was certainly used to justify violence in the Troubles in Ireland.

- Christian groups in India killed Hindus who refused to convert to Christianity.

- Churches incited genocide in Rwanda.

- I've seen a few people dismiss the KKK but only in April a member committed an attack against a Jewish community centre and has seen membership larger than any of those Muslim groups.

- Christians were involved in the largest genocide since the holocaust in Europe in Bosnia.

I don't think any religion is better or worse, stick them in any unstable country and there's murders and conflict. There's all sorts of terrible stuff going on in India and Africa by Christians but it's largely ignored by the media, it's incredible i've never heard a western news network call any Christian group causing atrocities terrorists despite the fact that there's plenty of groups declared so.

Also the Muslim groups you listed are actually pretty small, ISIS are reported to be ~10,000 in strength. Under a religion of 1.2 billion that's 0.00083% of the Muslim population. I'd be surprised if extremist groups amount to even 0.01% let alone half a percent. You've then got the fact that many simply aren't fighting for religious causes but political ones (give Robert Pape a look up he found 95% of suicide attacks weren't religiously motivated, odd considering the media rhetoric).

Where then are all the Tibetan buddhist terrorists?